Stop It!

[Bob and Hooligan]

I have never see so much garbage being spread in my life.

The country has a new President elect. Sorry if you don't like it. You say he is a socialist because he wants to spread the wealth. If I remember right isn't that what Jesus was trying to do?



It is okay to spread your hate. However, don't do it and quote the Bible at the same time.

Road Hooligan

 

[LDB]

There is absolutely zero comparison between Jesus and anything he ever did and Obama and the things he has planned. He's a socialist by his own statements. He doesn't stand up and say "Look at me. I'm a socialist." but his plans clearly state that he is. No, I don't like it at all but I'm not spreading hate. I'm stating facts. The fact is he used charisma and smooth talk to draw people in, somewhat like an Austrian painter. Combined with the most racism exhibited in at least 50 years, he won the election.

 

[RLENT]

You say he is a socialist because he wants to spread the wealth. If I remember right isn't that what Jesus was trying to do?

Actually I think what Jesus was trying to do was get folks to love one another.

 

[dhalltoyo]

Actually, Jesus Christ never got involved in the politics of the day.

The Pharisees tried to trick him into getting involved, but when you have all power and all wisdom...it is impossible to be fooled.

Maybe you could give us an example (chapter and verse) of how you came to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was trying redistribute wealth?

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Doesn't seem like wealth redistribution there.

Mat 22:18-21 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's (government)?
No wealth redistribution there.

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

If your not willing to work, you should be fed (eat).
I can't see any wealth redistribution here either.

Let us know if you can find any Scriptual evidence that would remotely indicate that Jesus Christ was involved in the politics of the day in general, and wealth redistribution in particular.

 

[dhalltoyo]

No doubt that God loves us. He separated himself into a Triune being and came to this earth in the form of Jesus Christ. He suffered and died on the cross at Calvary to make a way for us. He became the one perfect sacrifice that did what the blood of bulls and goats could not do.​

He did not come so that we would love one another. He came so that we could love him. ​

1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. ​

But just His presence, which is truth and righteousness, will cause division. It is not the Lord's desire, but it is just a fact. ​

Luk 12:51

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Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:​

Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.​

Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.​

 

[scottanhelen]

I have never see so much garbage being spread in my life.



Boy did you get that right!!!

Between the sky is falling and the name calling.

 

[arrbsthw]

I don't have enough wealth for myself, must less for Obama
to be spreading around. If people want wealth, they need
to get off the welfare line and get a job like the rest of
us that have done. Nobody gives me a **** thing, I have
worked for everything I have. My house, my cars, my truck.

 

[LDB]

The garbage was all spread by the winning ticket. Those of you clinging to the notion that this guy is all that just aren't smelling the all that he spread that you are standing in. Lay off the koolaid and try some oxygen. It helps the brain to focus and see more clearly.

 

[blondechick]

I don't like Obama's politics, but I don't believe he will be the ruin of the USA. America is a strong country, she has survived Bush's recent turn to socialism (steel tariffs, prescription drugs, and 700B bailout), she will survive Obama. I am concerned more by Congress than Obama. Especially fake Republicans like Lindsay Graham. Obama can ony sign what Congress sends him. The recent discussion on IRAs scares me, mine are small, but tax changes will effect my meager savings. Its normal for people to get a little ticked off when someone is eyeing their wallet. If Obama, by the grace of God, turns out to be a great leader; I'll be happy to give him kudos, but he has to earn them first.

LDB - I love the Austrian painter comment, smooth. So smooth I think it slipped past most people.

 

[LDB]

Sadly, most people are too stupid for their own good and certainly too stupid to be allowed to make decisions as important as who should be president. If is was mandate to bet a buck on how many people understood that I'd have to bet on less Obama people understanding it than McCain people, although the number would be sadly small in that camp also.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

There's quite a bit of difference between Jesus preaching charity, and Obama taking more of your money for what the government sees fit to spend it on. That's funny... the government takes from us, then takes credit for lifting the downtrodden. Want to make a difference? Try giving of your own free will, rather than hiring someone to do it for you IN THEIR NAME.

 

[Bob and Hooligan]

My, my, my looks like you people will be in for terrible 4 to 8 years.

He will probably waste your tax money on such foolish things as education, health care and such.

Apparently you feel that the majority of the American people are stupid for electing him.

Road Hooligan

 

[BillChaffey]

Politics & Religion, what more could one want when sitting.

 

[blondechick]

Hmmm... Obama & Congress wasting tax dollar on education, healthcare, and such.

Education - I was forced to go to public school because my dad had to pay taxes. He said "no private school as long as he was paying for public schools". I am dumber for having spent 12 years in that government run institution.

Healthcare - Have you been to the Health Department lately? I went in 2004 for a TB test, I will never go there again. I've seen cattle barn's more sanitary and I'd rather have a Veterinarian manage my healthcare.

If these two "bang-up" institutions represent government assistance, then I'll pass on their "help" and such.

I do not think the people who voted for Obama are stupid. To quote Colbert when asked about his TV character "he's a well-intenioned, poorly informed, high status idiot".

 

[Turtle]

It is okay to spread your hate. However, don't do it and quote the Bible at the same time.

Honestly, can you think of a more effective way to spread hate than do it under the banner of religion? Happens all the time.


BTW, Rev...
"Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Doesn't seem like wealth redistribution there."

Uhm, that's precisely what it is. Be patient and you'll get yours. Yeah, he was political. I won't go into the 10% thing.

The entire Sermon on the Mount was political. Chasing moneychangers around with a whip seems a little political. Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan, I mean, could there be a more sublime statement with greater political overtones? The Good Samaritan crosses the divide between culture, race and creed. It talks about crime, racial discrimination, hatred, bigotry, and exploitation. It even indicts religious leaders who are unwilling to do anything about these problems.

Sure, the fundamental nature of Jesus' teaching were religious, without question, but there are, and were at the time, many political corollaries. Even one of your own examples (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's) was all kinds of political, unquestionably. He was talking about worshiping Caesar as a god, which is what all good Romans did, and is what Christians should not. It was civil disobedience at its finest. Many that refused to worship Caesar paid with their lives. Yet the pressure and agitation they wielded on Roman culture did much to improve the plight of women and slaves, protect defenseless children, abolish the gladiatoria games, and provide humane treatment for prisoners and the poor, and on and on.

Yes, absolutely, Jesus was political. He just didn't run for office, even hid when they wanted him to be king, but he didn't shy away from the politic. He even had a cabinet. Judas was his Chief of Staff.

 

[hdxpedx]

pelousy and reik as GENERALs along with obumer!! WATCH the markets TUMBLE today-- you can fool koolaid drinkers-- but the markets pay attention to FACTS!! NO CONDFIDENT VOTE ON WALL STREET!! WATCH FOR REPARATIONS ACT of 2009! After this first wave - plus Detriot-plus second stimulus
..bobby kennedy jr EPA?? CARBON TAX-- GOD help us..it's ALL a media smoke screen and the lemmings will never figure it out.. free gas-- mortgage paid--smoke!! 4 or 8 yrs. they all will be still crying!

 

[cheri1122]

Kind of amusing, all the outrage over "redistributing the wealth", seeing as that's what the government has done with taxes all along....
And also, when carriers put the FSC into a single pot to equalize it, isn't that the same thing? Aren't they taking from those who pay more, to subsidize those who pay nothing?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Kind of amusing, all the outrage over "redistributing the wealth", seeing as that's what the government has done with taxes all along....
And also, when carriers put the FSC into a single pot to equalize it, isn't that the same thing? Aren't they taking from those who pay more, to subsidize those who pay nothing?

Hey!! your a woman...your not supposed to think of stuff like that...back to the kitchen girl....*LOL*

 

[blondechick]

Cheri made an excellent point. Smart woman.

Also, how many perks do we as truckers receive because of lobbying by Teamsters? Per Diem? I know these are tax breaks, not really redistribution, but it was made possible by a special interest group.

FedEx's FSC redistribution was why we left them for Landstar.

I think the new outrage is because of newly proposed redistribution and its extent. Social Security is tolerated because its been in place for so long, and it keeps my in-laws from living with me, so I'm not going to complain too much. I think, sadly, we tolerate redistribution that is convenient for us.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Cheri's point about FSC isn't relevant here. Tho there is a similarity, you have the freedom to go to a company that doesn't use such tactics. You don't have a choice when your government dictates what they will take from you.

Yes, the government has done this all along; but not to this extreme. What Obama is wanting to do is basically 'trickle up economics'. I'm sorry... but I don't see how giving OPM to those who haven't earned it is going to strengthen the economy. FDR did it during the Great Depression, instead of alleviating the tax burden on the corporations - which would've put more ppl to work. The result was that the depression lasted far longer than it ever should have; and ended only as a result of WWII.