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Do you tell ur carrier about warning ticket?

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RETIDEPXE

Veteran Expediter
I was given a warning ticket by a freindly small town cop in Ohio for no tail lights. Am I obligated to report this to my carrier?

Luckily it was an easy fix in the Mc Donalds parking lot. The heavy slushy snow had knocked a ground wire loose.

Had a nice talk with Crazy Joe in Jersey the other day, nice fellow expediter, sd he's been running hard lately.

Have a nice day EO posters,
Retidepxe
 
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Vinnie T

Seasoned Expediter
Do you really think you should hide a ticket like this being your carrier needs to show proof of the repair more then likely?
 
Turtle

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The carrier won't need to show proof of repair for a warning ticket from a small town cop.

I got stopped the other day in Iowa for not having a front license plate on the Sprinter and for having window tinting which was too dark. Of course, Kentucky doesn't have a front license plate and it allows for darker tint than Iowa. The county deputy sheriff saw the Kentucky plate and pulled me over anyway. He wrote me a warning ticket as a way of showing his boss that he's out there and on the job, I suppose. He was nice enough. I think he also wanted to be sure I hadn't moved to Iowa and simply hadn't redone the tinting or something. But it's definitely not something that needs to be reported to a carrier.
 
davekc

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
On commercial trucks over 33, I believe it does. It is actual points on your CVA score.
 
greg334

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I think the CSA 2010 thing can be a company thing for vans. If they decide to apply it to vans, because of the driver, then vans are included.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
A warning is just that..not a registered fault nor infraction, nothing on your record....no need to involve the carrier and some idiot in safety goes overboard and makes a big deal about it...
 
greg334

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well that depends on what the company policies are. It may even be in your contract, ever read it?
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
greg334 said:
I think the CSA 2010 thing can be a company thing for vans. If they decide to apply it to vans, because of the driver, then vans are included.
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not sure how'd they'd apply that against a van...maybe IF the driver has a CDL....I don't see a general license being involved in CSA...
 
greg334

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OntarioVanMan said:
not sure how'd they'd apply that against a van...maybe IF the driver has a CDL....I don't see a general license being involved in CSA...
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I don't know if the CDL thing has much to do with it, the carrier is on the hook for all of their fleet. Now the difference seems to be that it can be applied to the driver, regardless what they drive because they are part of the fleet if the carrier wants it to.
 
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Dynamo

Seasoned Expediter
Turtle said:
The carrier won't need to show proof of repair for a warning ticket from a small town cop.

Of course, Kentucky doesn't have a front license plate and it allows for darker tint than Iowa. .
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They can't do nothing about license plates, but one should check with the laws from other states when it's about tinting the windows.
 
Turtle

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
An official warning from a DOT cop is something very different from a general warning from a local cop and can go on your CSA 2010 score, but do not confuse a DOT warning with that of a local cop. I promise you, if you get a warning from a small town cop, a county sheriff, or someone else other than a DOT or State cop, it doesn't go on your CSA 2010 score, or need to be reported to your carrier. It doesn't matter if you have a CDL or not. Even if the warning contains an "Equipment Repair Order" where you must show proof of repair to the local authorities, it doesn't go on your CSA 2010 rap sheet nor need to be reported to your carrier.



Dynamo said:
They can't do nothing about license plates, but one should check with the laws from other states when it's about tinting the windows.
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Why? They can't do nothing about window tinting, either. Some states allow as little as 28% VLT (Visible Light Transmission) through the tint (Florida), New Mexico is just 20%, others like New Jersey allow no side window tinting at all. Kentucky is 35% VLT whereas Iowa is 70%. To an Iowa cop, when they see 35% driving down the road, like they did me, it stands out as being significantly darker than Iowa state law allows.

But like the cop said, "Even though you didn't break any laws, I have to give you a warning to let my bosses know what I'm doing out here. When you get out of Iowa just throw it away. But don't throw it out the window."

Using your logic, if you plan on driving your vehicle out of your state, you should tint to the lowest common denominator of states you might be passing through. So, if you ever visit New Jersey from New Mexico, you need to rip your window tinting off the front side windows before you go there.

Just as with front license plates and door lettering on cargo vans, the only thing that matters is what they laws are in the state in which your vehicle is registered.


Now, with a Commercial Motor Vehicle, windshield and side windows are regulated by the DOT (and are the same as Iowa), at 70% VLT, even if your state allows darker tint on non-CMVs like cars, light trucks and vans.
 
jelliott

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
With CSA 2010 here a warning can still reflect on a carriers record. I think you should always report it. If it is nothing the carrier will see it as that. If it is something that they need to worry about or address they should have the option.

Most "warnings" now count against a carrier, almost as much as an actual ticket. Drivers are kidding themselves if they do not understand that the FMCSA is now scoring them. They may not publish the scores or want to admit the system, but it is real. The former head of the FMCSA admitted it flat out at a conference I was at a few months ago.

PSP on drivers is a big shift and the level of regulation just keeps growing.
 
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