The Tea Party Strikes Again.

[cheri1122]

On a positive note, NBC Nightly (Brian Williams) did cover the IRS scandal & Immigration disaster in their first five minute block. Spent roughly one minute on each and five minutes on the weather and how "climate change" is affecting us.

Ya know, the IRS also flagged [for extra scrutiny] groups referencing "occupy movement", "Israel", "open source software" and "medical marijuana" .....

 

[davekc]

Ya know, the IRS also flagged [for extra scrutiny] groups referencing "occupy movement", "Israel", "open source software" and "medical marijuana" .....

Get a grip. What does that have to do with hiding emails and destroying hard drives? And then of course through a year long investigation, they now just mention it. Just no where to go on that.

 

[layoutshooter]

The best way to start gutting the government of it's power would be to eliminate the income tax AND most of the IRS with it. They have FAR too much power and the income tax gives the government far too much.

The progressive tax is a great tool for keeping people in their place. It protects the "old money" and "filthy rich" while at the same time punishes hard work at the lower income levels.

NO "fair tax" where you STILL have an almost all powerful IRS to "gift" us of a "prebate", doing us a GREAT favor by returning money they took from us. Just a sales tax, only ONE tax per item. One rate. Paid by EVERYONE. Then the rich, since they buy more, would pay more. Food would be exempt. Basic clothing. Meds. Health care and a primary residence. It would not have to be high, since there would be SO many more paying their FAIR SHARE for the first time in who knows how long. Fix it for 50 years, to provide a stable number so industry and the people know what is going on. Make it 25%, with 5% going to local government, 10% to the state and 10% to the Feds, and then, THAT's IT! No property taxes. No school taxes.

We NEED to gut this government, it is FAR too big and FAR too powerful. We need to break up some states. Make NYC ONE state, get it off the backs of the rest of NY. Break CA into 3. ETC. That would put much greater power in the hands of the people.

 

[aristotle]

The best way to start gutting the government of it's power would be to eliminate the income tax AND most of the IRS with it. They have FAR too much power and the income tax gives the government far too much.

The progressive tax is a great tool for keeping people in their place. It protects the "old money" and "filthy rich" while at the same time punishes hard work at the lower income levels.

NO "fair tax" where you STILL have an almost all powerful IRS to "gift" us of a "prebate", doing us a GREAT favor by returning money they took from us. Just a sales tax, only ONE tax per item. One rate. Paid by EVERYONE. Then the rich, since they buy more, would pay more. Food would be exempt. Basic clothing. Meds. Health care and a primary residence. It would not have to be high, since there would be SO many more paying their FAIR SHARE for the first time in who knows how long. Fix it for 50 years, to provide a stable number so industry and the people know what is going on. Make it 25%, with 5% going to local government, 10% to the state and 10% to the Feds, and then, THAT's IT! No property taxes. No school taxes.

We NEED to gut this government, it is FAR too big and FAR too powerful. We need to break up some states. Make NYC ONE state, get it off the backs of the rest of NY. Break CA into 3. ETC. That would put much greater power in the hands of the people.

Breaking California into 3 states would reward that area with a total of 6 US Senators rather than the two they currently enjoy. Making NYC a separate state would give liberals 2 more US Senators. Stacking the United States Senate with more semi-permanent liberals is not an appealing prospect. The current US Senate acts as a shield for Barack Obama. Imagine how corrupt they would become if the balance of power rigidly favored one party for the next 50 years.

 

[layoutshooter]

Breaking California into 3 states would reward that area with a total of 6 US Senators rather than the two they currently enjoy. Making NYC a separate state would give liberals 2 more US Senators. Stacking the United States Senate with more semi-permanent liberals is not an appealing prospect. The current US Senate acts as a shield for Barack Obama. Imagine how corrupt they would become if the balance of power rigidly favored one party for the next 50 years.

Break off Detroit, from Michigan and it would do the opposite. I suspect that not all of CA is as Marxist as some of it is.

 

[aristotle]

I would prefer fewer states as opposed to more. Our centralized government in Washington, DC grows stronger, in part, because too many states are teeny little things not much larger than one or two good-sized counties out West. Delaware, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire? We need strong, self sufficient states like Texas to offset the federal government's increasing power. What a radical idea if states were allowed to merge by mutual consent.

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't think that is right, I am sorry, I can barely read right now.

I remember something from school, about no rep should ever rep for more than so many people. It did not make it into the Constitution. The idea was to limit the power of one or two cities. I can't see enough to look it up.

Repeal the 17th amendment and the problem of the senate goes away.

Government should ALWAYS be most powerful at the LOWEST and SMALLEST levels. The bigger the government the greater the corruption.

 

[aristotle]

We are a nation in dire need of a remedial civics course.

 

[layoutshooter]

Nice answer.

 

[layoutshooter]

HOLY TOAD FEET BATMAN! I found it! Not bad for 1/2 eye and trying to remember back 50 years or so.


"After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons."

 

[RLENT]

Guy worries about abuse, and greater centralization, purportedly of power in Washington, DC ... and then suggests greater centralization of power ...

I would prefer fewer states as opposed to more. Our centralized government in Washington, DC grows stronger, in part, because too many states are teeny little things not much larger than one or two good-sized counties out West. Delaware, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire? We need strong, self sufficient states like Texas to offset the federal government's increasing power. What a radical idea if states were allowed to merge by mutual consent.

 

[aristotle]

While the US House of Representatives is divided among the states by proportion to population, each state is granted at least one US Representative. By law, the total number of voting US Representatives is fixed at 435. Some US territories have a shadow member or non-voting representative. In a nation of 300 million, each US Representative would represent approximately 700,000 constituents.

Each decade as the new US Census numbers are tabulated, the state legislatures and governors are tasked with redrawing Congressional districts within their state. State legislatures and governors work feverishly to give advantage to favored parties. Gerrymandering abounds to ensure a safe seat for a friend or an unsafe seat for a political foe.

 

[layoutshooter]

While the US House of Representatives is divided among the states by proportion to population, each state is granted at least one US Representative. By law, the total number of voting US Representatives is fixed at 435. Some US territories have a shadow member or non-voting representative. In a nation of 300 million, each US Representative would represent approximately 700,000 constituents.

Each decade as the new US Census numbers are tabulated, the state legislatures and governors are tasked with redrawing Congressional districts within their state. State legislatures and governors work feverishly to give advantage to favored parties. Gerrymandering abounds to ensure a safe seat for a friend or an unsafe seat for a political foe.

The post I put up was an amendment that did NOT make it into the Bill of Rights. It was meant to avoid what we have today, at least that is how I remember it being taught to me in the 7th or 8th grade. It is rather fuzzy by now. That was a TON of years ago.

 

[muttly]

The Liberty Amendments as proposed by Mark Levin

Mark Levin?s Liberty Amendments | RedState

 

[RLENT]

Yup ... the TEA party has sure "struck" again ... deep in the heart of the conservative South ...

Struck out that is ...

Cochran win in Miss. a blow to tea party movement | Boston Herald

 

[muttly]

It basically was a photo finish with a mere few thousand votes deciding the winner. Considering it was another open primary with liberal democrats voting,( they voted for the establishment guy, unlike Cantor's primary) and the whole establishment circling the wagons to drag this guy over the finish line, the Tea Party made it's presence felt. In other words, they had them in a state of panic.
McDaniel: We?re challenging the election results « Hot Air

 

[ntimevan]

For LOS & more

 

[cheri1122]

It basically was a photo finish with a mere few thousand votes deciding the winner. Considering it was another open primary with liberal democrats voting,( they voted for the establishment guy, unlike Cantor's primary) and the whole establishment circling the wagons to drag this guy over the finish line, the Tea Party made it's presence felt. In other words, they had them in a state of panic.
McDaniel: We?re challenging the election results « Hot Air

When the loser holds a "Victory Celebration", and says "There is nothing extreme or dangerous in wanting to balance the budget", I'd say the 'panic' is justified. The Tea Party would 'balance' it by cutting spending for lower & middle class people, while preserving the many expenditures for the benefit of the much wealthier. That IS dangerous - the working class is getting tired of being stepped on, while their tax dollars are handed over to already wealthy corporations. Like in Cinncinnati, where state & county officials just gave a "huge" package of goodies to GE, for locating a corporate center in a brand new development.
Why are corporations so lavishly rewarded for doing something they would have done regardless? Especially when there's no benefit for those who need it: working people. [Their taxes just pay for it.]
BTW: the open primary system in Ms can be [and surely is] used precisely the same way by Republicans.

 

[muttly]

Cheri, lower and middle income people are tired of getting squeezed by a weak economy that doesn't produce many jobs, skyrocketing fuel prices and rising inflation on groceries. Out of control spending makes matters worse. Nothing extreme about reigning it in. BTW,the republicans ( establishment types)DID utilize the 'open primary'. In a most scurrilous way however.
The Flier That Got Thad Cochran Elected? | National Review Online

 

[muttly]

Who knew Thad was so popular and could draw so many Dems to vote for him?
BREAKING: 25,000-35,000 Democratic Voters Carried Thad Cochran to Victory | The Gateway Pundit