Wonder how true this is?

[davekc]

Unbelievable! Nancy Pelosi Earmark



Star Kist Tuna



Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's home district includes San Francisco. Star-Kist Tuna's headquarters are in San Francisco, Pelosi's home district. Star-Kist is owned by Del Monte Foods and is a major contributor to Pelosi. Star-Kist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan work force. Paul Pelosi, Nancy 's husband, owns $17 million! dollars of Star-Kist stock. In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than their competition's. Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an 'economic development credit in American Samoa '.



Pelosi has called the Bush Administration "CORRUPT"?



How do you spell "HYPOCRISY" ? ?

 

[Turtle]

snopes.com: American Samoa Minimum Wage Nancy Pelosi, et, al

 

[chefdennis]

The topic has been on the gov conspircy boards for a while, and while I have no over riding good feelings for or about pelosi, from what I have heard it is a bit of yes and no, with the biggest issue being, that her hubby was on the board or employed by del monte and no one knows if her hubby owes a bunch of the co stock.

No one that i have heard really thinks there is a big deal conflict there.

 

[letzrockexpress]

Oh, it's a big deal alright. definable corruption IS NOT the same thing as carrying on about how so and so is a communist, socialist, gun hater, nazi, philanderer, candlestick maker, etc.
I am right with you that Pelosi is no good. I think I have made my position clear on that before. It doesn't surprise me that her husband is no good either. This is the first I have heard about this issue. Birds of a feather flock together. That might interest you and Layoutshooter...

 

[layoutshooter]

You still have not told me why you are scared of me Rocket. How can I understand you if you don't? As to calling some of those nasty goobers, nazis, commies, whatever I call them, look at what they are into. Trends in history never change, people just ignore them or never bothered to study them. ALL governments will, sooner or later, become a tryanny. Our government has been heading down that path almost from day one. That is the nature of governments. That is why WE are susposed to control our government, the main reason for the Bill of Rights, to be able to stop it from happening. The march towards them becoming a tryanny is speeding up. WE have to stop them, take away thier power, it IS our civic duty. Read some Jefferson, Henry, Franklin and some of the other radicals, my mentors. My life's motto, "Give me liberty or give me Death" Bet that scares a lot of people. Layoutshooter

 

[cheri1122]

Without presuming to reply for Letzrockexpress, this is what scares ME: that you seem to be 100% dead certain that you know not only what Obama will do, but what he thinks. And what you say is his objective, or motivation, or 'real' plan, is just too much for me to accept - particularly when what I read from many other sources points in the opposite direction.
If there's some vast conspiracy to divide and conquer American citizens, whether along idealogical grounds, race, income level - whatever, it seems to be working pretty well, eh?
If there's no conspiracy afoot, why can't we quit arguing & work on solutions for a change?
(I'd start by voting every incumbent out of office, because Congress is more of a threat than Obama could ever be.)

 

[layoutshooter]

Cool! A bit of understanding. I agree that congress is far more dangerous than Obama, vote them out. My beliefs about Obama, and all of his ilk, are based on several things. Some of those go back as far as the 7th and 8th grade. They are based on family history. On the study of governments, like Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia etc. They are based on the 20 years I did working against these things. Interviewing Soviet defectors. Working with escapees from Soviet controlled Eastern Europe and hearing the horror stories. Knowing just how horrible and discusting those countries were like and knowing that Obama associates with people who not only agreed with what Soviet Russia was doing but supported it. Like Ayers. It is not based on irrational fears or looking for "secret black helicoptors" behind every tree. Obama believes that government should control the People, I believe the opposite, that is how I feel. I have seen nothing since he took office to show me different. He, for the most part, is 180 degrees away from what I believe is right and just. I am sure of this because I have the courage of my convictions. They are based on a lifetime of learning and I trust my judgement. I don't live in a world with lots of gray colors or doubts. I live in a world were I believe in a very simple right and wrong, black and white. Freedom is more important to me than anything. I choose NOT to give up not one more inch to Obama, the congress or anyone. Layoutshooter

 

[layoutshooter]

Pictures like this were a GREAT influence on my. If "Control governments" are soo great why did they have to build walls to keep thier citizens from escaping and why would anyone risk thier life like this man did to get out?

 

[letzrockexpress]

You still have not told me why you are scared of me Rocket. How can I understand you if you don't? As to calling some of those nasty goobers, nazis, commies, whatever I call them, look at what they are into. Trends in history never change, people just ignore them or never bothered to study them. ALL governments will, sooner or later, become a tryanny. Our government has been heading down that path almost from day one. That is the nature of governments. That is why WE are susposed to control our government, the main reason for the Bill of Rights, to be able to stop it from happening. The march towards them becoming a tryanny is speeding up. WE have to stop them, take away thier power, it IS our civic duty. Read some Jefferson, Henry, Franklin and some of the other radicals, my mentors. My life's motto, "Give me liberty or give me Death" Bet that scares a lot of people. Layoutshooter

I am quite familiar with the likes of Jefferson, Franklin, Henry, etc. Absolute power corrupts and conversely, lack of power corrupts. Someone posted a video on here recently that explains this concept very clearly as far as what types of government exist in the world today. When Patrick Henry said " Give me liberty or give me death", he was living in a land that was governed and in effect "owned" by another country. There was only the dream and desire to form the United States of America at that time. The men you mentioned were in the process of breaking free from tyrranic bondage to form a new nation. This was a one in a million shot. What is going on in this country today is not even a faint glimmer of what was going on back then. It is apples and oranges in comparison. Cheri is right: If you don't like what is going on ,vote who you don't want out. That is the system we live in today. Several people have mentioned to you this week in not so many words that a clear, concise idea and exchange of thoughts will get you a lot farther than this "conspiracy theory, me against the world, I'm locked and loaded" kind of dialogue.
AS far as what I am afraid of: First of all I have never met you. The only understanding of you I have to go by is what you post on this forum. What I have gleaned from your writings is that you are way out in the far right wing fringe someplace. What scares me is that at times your rantings are reminiscent of Tim McVey. That is scary.

Oh yeah, did you get my "Birds of a feather" reference?

 

[layoutshooter]

At last an insight to your thoughts. I am NOT a fringe person. I do not believe in attacking innocent people like McVey did. That was a senseless waste of human life. I do however do not agree with some of your analisys. This government can and will fall into tryanny. Every government does, it is the nature of government. As to voting, I do vote in every election, but vote for who? I have never seen a truely solid candidate run at any level of government since I have been old enough to vote. This past election was a prime example. NOT one of the major candidates from either of the two main political parties were worth a tinkers darn. It was a very sad field of canditdates.

As to Obama, his is, in my opionion, a very dangerous man. I base that on all my years of study on totalitarion governments. I do see many paralles between his ideas and those of Stalin and Hitler and many others. He espouses the exact same policies that those types of regiemes used to take control. Examples: Class warfare and envy. Targeted taxes. Gun control and confiscation. Curtailment of freedom of speech. Government control of the education system. Control of the press.

I had to study this in depth for 20 years. It was my job. I learned plenty. One of the first things I learned is that the press is not the friend of the people. They have been lying and misleading the American people on many issues for my entire adult life. I can site chapter and verse on this AND back it up with cold hard facts. One many issues, like, gun control, our defense department, our intelligence agencies and so on. In a few years, when somethings are no longer classified or the people involved are either out of the business or dead I will start naming names. I can do that.

What I do find really amazing is that most Americans will trust polititions that are proven liars, but distrust agents who work at NSA or CIA who have passed numorous polygraphs, criminal and counter intelligence backround checks. I can assure you, having worked in the field for 20 years that those who work there are NOT your enemy. They are honest, hard working people who only wish to defend this great nation. That is far more than I can say about Obama or Hillary.

As to my unwillingness to "give up my guns" so to speak. I do believe in our Constitution. I do believe that honest law abiding citizens are NOT the cause of crime. Criminals commit crimes. My ability to own a gun, of any kind, is not a threat to you or anyone, unless you break into my house or attack my family or me in any way. THEN and only then need you worry. I do believe that the 2nd amendment was written into the Bill of Rights for that very reason and one other, as the ultimate check and balance to insure that the People of this Nation can control it's own government and stop it as it heads down it's slide into tryanny.

There does that explain my ideas any better? No ranting, hard to believe, eh? LOL You would be surprised if you ever have the HONOR of meeting me!! I am a very witty person with a wonderful sense of humor. I am VERY intelligent too!! LOL. Layoutshooter

 

[letzrockexpress]

At last an insight to your thoughts. I am NOT a fringe person. I do not believe in attacking innocent people like McVey did. That was a senseless waste of human life. I do however do not agree with some of your analisys. This government can and will fall into tryanny

O.K. Are you saying this because all governments eventually fall into tyrrany? If so, our form government was designed to be as "tyrrany proof" as was theoretically possible at the time. If you truly subscribe to the idea that all governments will eventually fall, are you just trying to prolong the inevitable?

As to voting, I do vote in every election, but vote for who? I have never seen a truely solid candidate run at any level of government since I have been old enough to vote. This past election was a prime example. NOT one of the major candidates from either of the two main political parties were worth a tinkers darn. It was a very sad field of canditdates.

Can't argue with you there...

As to Obama, his is, in my opionion, a very dangerous man. I base that on all my years of study on totalitarion governments. I do see many paralles between his ideas and those of Stalin and Hitler and many others. He espouses the exact same policies that those types of regiemes used to take control. Examples: Class warfare and envy. Targeted taxes. Gun control and confiscation. Curtailment of freedom of speech. Government control of the education system. Control of the press.

I wouldn't call it control. When you have a nation of nearly 300,000,000 people you have to manage the masses, so to speak. If not there would be chaos. It wouldn't matter who the President is or was...This is just a cold hard fact. As soon as a stand is taken and a freedom is given, it is going to be attacked. If it were not attacked, it likely would not be worth having because it wasn't really perceived to be valuable.

I had to study this in depth for 20 years. It was my job. I learned plenty. One of the first things I learned is that the press is not the friend of the people. They have been lying and misleading the American people on many issues for my entire adult life. I can site chapter and verse on this AND back it up with cold hard facts. One many issues, like, gun control, our defense department, our intelligence agencies and so on. In a few years, when somethings are no longer classified or the people involved are either out of the business or dead I will start naming names. I can do that.

I believe most of this. I would like to hear about your experiences. It sounds very interesting.

What I do find really amazing is that most Americans will trust polititions that are proven liars, but distrust agents who work at NSA or CIA who have passed numorous polygraphs, criminal and counter intelligence backround checks. I can assure you, having worked in the field for 20 years that those who work there are NOT your enemy. They are honest, hard working people who only wish to defend this great nation. That is far more than I can say about Obama or Hillary.

You are talking about individuals. There is good and bad everywhere. I am quite certain most of the people in the NSA and CIA are good people. the law of averages says some are not, simply because there is good and bad everywhere.
Politicians are egomaniacs. Dems, the GOP, Libertarians, whatever. How far they choose to try to go is directly tied to how egotistical they are. I have to say that to believe these people are out to destroy our nation is a little far fetched.
I submit these people are so egotistical they believe they can fix the problem du jour.

As to my unwillingness to "give up my guns" so to speak. I do believe in our Constitution. I do believe that honest law abiding citizens are NOT the cause of crime. Criminals commit crimes. My ability to own a gun, of any kind, is not a threat to you or anyone, unless you break into my house or attack my family or me in any way. THEN and only then need you worry. I do believe that the 2nd amendment was written into the Bill of Rights for that very reason and one other, as the ultimate check and balance to insure that the People of this Nation can control it's own government and stop it as it heads down it's slide into tryanny.

I am with you on that.

There does that explain my ideas any better? No ranting, hard to believe, eh? LOL You would be surprised if you ever have the HONOR of meeting me!! I am a very witty person with a wonderful sense of humor. I am VERY intelligent too!! LOL. Layoutshooter

The honor will be mutual.. Am I going to have to wade out into the reeds somewhere to find you?

 

[layoutshooter]

NO!! I seldom marsh hunt, you might, however, have to swim out 3 or 4 miles into Lake Erie to find me!!! That is where layout hunting is done!!!

I did miss the Birds of a Feather one.

See I can talk about "s Stuff" in a rational way. Sure surprised you, eh!!!

We might not agree on everything but I bet more than not.

I always try to error on the side of freedom. I always assume that government is bad. Then if it's not, I don't have to worry. Yes, our government can fall into tyarnny. In theroy in cannot, in practice, it can happen in reality. Like laws being passed to limit how much water a toliet uses, or the kinds of foods you can eat. etc. Just the trend that governments take. Those in govenment think, and many in this country believe them, that once they are elected they are smarter than those who elect them. Why do we believe that. I for one believe this, (only to a point and not always at the individual level) "Those that can do, those that can't teach, those that can't teach go into retail and those who fail at retail go into politics" LOL. I do have a very healthy mis-trust of elected officials and will maintain that. Besides, it's fun!!

Hope to meet you one day. Layoutshooter

 

[greg334]

The problem that a lot of people see is not what the man is capable or incapable of doing but the people and the integrity and philosophy of the people he surrounds himself with who advise him on decisions.

It is clear to many that pulling people from past administrations shows a continuation of the same path that got us into different messes we now have being done very purposefully. There is little new blood in the administration and a cloaking of work going on behind the scenes combined with the questionable back ground of others in power is a recipe for more disasters.

If a lot of us come off as cynical, we have real reasons to be cynical. A lot of us see the parallels to history, know what may be their next move and how people have become so intensely numb over the fact we have an American Idol president that voting may be a moot point.

Already promises were broken, the use of the rhetoric to instill fear in us has been both amplified and then stifled to protect the administration and the press has been along the side of the administration to ensure that there really isn't going to be the hatred of this president like they created for the last one.

for example, Frank Raines was the head of Fanny Mae when this there were real problems but he has had a very good retirment package that we the tax payers are paying for. The administration with help from the press has ignored the fact that this guy should be headed for jail for the enron style of cooking the books but instead has tapped him on different occasions about the 'crisis'. It is like having Manoff advise the president on investments for retirment. The sad thing is that the slight of hand done by the congress and the press put people at AIG in the spotlight and some of them didn't deserve it.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - John Acton

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it" - William Pitt Sr.