I would need to see that scale ticket. In fact, I would need to see it weighed before I would believe 3,000.
The Sprinter Wanna Be's
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I would need to see that scale ticket. In fact, I would need to see it weighed before I would believe 3,000.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Man, my gas motored Cargo Max scaled at 6600 empty, stripped down empty....i am pretty sure that duramax weights more then 400 lbs more then the gas motor...but then again, id run 3000 lbs in that thing all day long and not have a worry in the world....
My baby high top Sprinter scaled at 4960 with my butt in it. Won't be carrying 3500# any time soon though.
I'll have to ask him when I see him again.. I was pretty sure he told me 3, but I might be wrong. It happened once before
Dale
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Dang I had a nice response all typied out and lost it...hate when that happens...oh well..
Now...No apologies needed...the fact is any number of trucks can be "legally" decertifed to 10,000 lb or 9900 lbs or anything under the stated gvw rating on the "incomplete" manufacturers sticker. In the case of MY Cargo Max, it is at 10,000 gvw..so does that mean that after the 16 in drw's are removed and replace with a higher load range set of srw tires that the truck can still handle the 12,300 lb combined weight without causing damage to the truck such as "premature" failure of parts because it was run heavy over the 10,000 lb gvwr? Yes...does that mean that anyone should run heavy?..nope, that is up to each individual...as i have said in the past on this topic, each individual should do what works for them and not simply do as i do...LOL anyone that has read my postings here should know that my way of doing things and my thought patterns are not should we say "of the mainstream"....
The decertified truck will carry weights that would take it over the 10,000 lb gvwr but still be under the 12,300 gvwr with no problems concerning the mechanics of the truck at all. Could one have "other" problems or issues?? Sure, there are other issues that one might consider... just because they aren't a concern to me, doesn't mean others should not address them...each individual needs to do what they feel is in their best interest...me, i'll still run heavy when the need arises....tada!!
That work??
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but I might be wrong. It happened once before
Dale
You mean that one time you thought you made a mistake but you hadn't?
That works fine, except the only "worries" you addressed are mechanical. You didn't really address the ramifications of de-rating a CMV to a non-CMV, and continuing to run it as if it we're a CMV specifically to circumvent logging and scaling. Those are the concerns and impressions of those who have asked me about it.
You've stated here that you aren't worried about that, and if it happens you'll just pay a lawyer. I get the impression that you think that all you're looking at is a few hundred dollars worth of fines and court costs, maybe some attorney fees. De-rating a CMV and then continuing to run it as a heavy truck or bus to specifically avoid DOT regulations can get you insane fees and a lengthy suspension of your license, especially if you are over weight and are involved in an accident.
It's not much different than hauling HAZMAT and not putting placards on because you don't want to mess with logging and scaling. Get caught and it's not pretty. Get caught while in an accident and it's downright ugly.
You've stated here that you aren't worried about that, and if it happens you'll just pay a lawyer. I get the impression that you think that all you're looking at is a few hundred dollars worth of fines and court costs, maybe some attorney fees. De-rating a CMV and then continuing to run it as a heavy truck or bus to specifically avoid DOT regulations can get you insane fees and a lengthy suspension of your license, especially if you are over weight and are involved in an accident.
It's not much different than hauling HAZMAT and not putting placards on because you don't want to mess with logging and scaling. Get caught and it's not pretty. Get caught while in an accident and it's downright ugly.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Sure i did, i just didn't "list them" those are the other issues..." as to the "cost"..lol, a speeding ticket now can set you back a quick grand with lawyers fees..(ask me how i know)...I have no delusions of walking away cheap, but then again...i am really not concerned....and yes if I was overweight and got into an accident, yeap there'd be hell to pay...
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
dupe, my bad....
Speaking of dupes... I'll repeat it again using terms I know you'll understand now... when you talk to people about your setup, especially regarding the de-rating of the vehicles, you might want to give them a more accurate, honest and complete picture by, you know, "listing them".
Juuuust a suggestion
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I did some research today and I am conflicted. I read Chief's post about being able to derate to 10,000 lbs GVW. Afterwards I called Midway Vehicles who manufacture American Cargo bodies. They are the only cargo body manufacturer authorized by Mercedes to add a cargo body to a Sprinter chassis with a walk through bulkhead.
I told them I am considering ordering a Sprinter chassis with their body derated to 10,000 GVW. They told me that they cannot legally do so. Only Mercedes Benz can. I called Mercedes and they told me they would not do a derate.
Then I read Beachbum's post in which he has a link to an article about rerating.
The last two paragraphs seem to say that to derate the vehicle referred to in the article the owner had to go to the dealer who had to submit a request to Ford, who had to change the vehicle's vin number. The article claims this is hard to get done.
I told them I am considering ordering a Sprinter chassis with their body derated to 10,000 GVW. They told me that they cannot legally do so. Only Mercedes Benz can. I called Mercedes and they told me they would not do a derate.
Then I read Beachbum's post in which he has a link to an article about rerating.
The last two paragraphs seem to say that to derate the vehicle referred to in the article the owner had to go to the dealer who had to submit a request to Ford, who had to change the vehicle's vin number. The article claims this is hard to get done.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
The Fed Code:
Body companies or "upfitters that are large enoungh have what are known as "pool chassis"...these are "incomplete vehicles".. and are "labeled" as such by the truck manufacturer. They are then finished when the body company adds the body, they are then considered the "final stage manufacturer" and or "alterer"...they affix the gvw rating to the finish product which can be anything from the OEM rating or lower then the OEM "incomplete" tag.
As i said this is done from everything from little trucks to Big trucks...From Cargo Max's where the drws are changed to srws and the gvw is lowered to "Glider kits".... Order a "glider kit" and look for a gvw tag from the OE manufacturer...there isn't 1...a glider kit will come with no rear axle(s) or suspension or other drive line components depending on how the unit was ordered...so the final stage manufacturer ( the certfied people that do the install of the drive train, the dealership, but not limited to them) will tag the truck ..the vin # will tell you nothing about the gvw of the truck....but the upfitter/ alterer will tag the truck with the needed info....people that stretch frames can legally "alter" the gvw of a truck, as long as the go lower, and are a "certified group" ...most don't bother they just leave it as is....But it is done legally all the time....
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I have put on a lot of miles running through Wisconsin over the years. The only times I have stopped at their scales was when placarded. I make a distinction between the word truck and van. I have never been chased down for running a badger coop. Until a few years ago Iowa signage stated 8,000 pounds, it now reads over 10,000 pounds.
I dont stop at them I was just curious because it was stated dot cannot write us tickets. If thats true I was wondering why they wanted lighter trucks to stop or I guess how they could even require us to do so.
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CharlesD
Expert Expediter
How do you get that much weight in one? I have a 2500 and when I was on the road, with only a modest amount of stuff in it, I was at 8600 with about 2600 lbs. of freight.
I'll agree on the mpg. Keep it at 65 and you can get over 20, but drive at 70 or higher and it's down around 18.
Of course now all it hauls is my butt, and that doesn't weigh quite as much as 2900, so I'm probably safe there.
Golf, it is a 12,300 gvw chassis recertified to 10,000 gvw , my "Cat Scale" ticket from the Pilot Scale on alexis road & I-280 in toledo has it at 6600 lbs and that is what "safety" has listed....so that would be 3300 lbs by the listing on the door...but i have no issue at all with the weights i have hauled since i still haven't come close to capacity of the chassis limit....LOL, i mean its not like truckers don't ever run over weight...
The thing I find interesting is that Load 1 has no problem knowingly overloading your vehicle and sending it down the highway. If an accident happened they would be as responsible as you but they seemingly could care less.