Scale nazis!

tknight

Veteran Expediter
My friend John just got busted in Nebraska for 1 loose body bolt after an otherwise spotless inspection ,a hammer blow to it cost him 200 and points watch out fort these guys! Same thing happened to me in jersey last year
Johns truck is 3 years old!!! They just don't quit looking do they?
 

EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
200 points or 200 bucks?

DOT is hitting peoples trucks with hammers?

Since when, why would allow them to do it?
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
200 points or 200 bucks?

DOT is hitting peoples trucks with hammers?

Since when, why would allow them to do it?

I took it to say 200, in dollars, and some points.

I thought the same thing, about hitting with a hammer. How far can they go with the inspection?
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
Yes 200 $ and unknown how many points yes they hit it with a lead filled mallet as he told John how else can he test it I cried foul when it happened to me in New Jersey and was told to get back in the truck
 

bubblehead

Veteran Expediter
My friend John just got busted in Nebraska for 1 loose body bolt after an otherwise spotless inspection ,a hammer blow to it cost him 200 and points watch out fort these guys! Same thing happened to me in jersey last year
Johns truck is 3 years old!!! They just don't quit looking do they?

More info please....Year, make model, location of the bolt. I just want to be able to check mine out so it would help if I know where the DOT is foscusing. Thanks
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I think I'd find a lawyer and sue them for damaging my until then undamaged and not in violation truck.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
Year and model make no matter it's one of the box to frame u bolts there are like 12 of them so they have a darn good chance of hitting pay dirt with the swing of a mallet ! I've never seen a box fall off a truck ever...
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Year and model make no matter it's one of the box to frame u bolts there are like 12 of them so they have a darn good chance of hitting pay dirt with the swing of a mallet ! I've never seen a box fall off a truck ever...

But I have seen a box slide the one side ever so slightly
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I thought the same thing, about hitting with a hammer. How far can they go with the inspection?
They do the hammer thing with license plate lamps also. Or maybe it's the directed-energy weapon thing, like the phasers on Star Trek. What ever it is, it makes a perfectly working light defective, resulting in at least a warning or fix-it ticket.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
They do the hammer thing with license plate lamps also. Or maybe it's the directed-energy weapon thing, like the phasers on Star Trek. What ever it is, it makes a perfectly working light defective, resulting in at least a warning or fix-it ticket.

Been known to cut brake chambers too.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
I have 12 u bolts holding my box to the frame that gives them good odds they can knock one loose.my elbow exhaust pipe has a dent in it I thought they did with a mallet but I didn't see it happen and accusing them might have ruined my month at the least it looks like it was wrapped with a mallet to see if it would break cause its rustyImageUploadedByEO Forums1372725483.897808.jpg
 

bubblehead

Veteran Expediter
Year and model make no matter it's one of the box to frame u bolts there are like 12 of them so they have a darn good chance of hitting pay dirt with the swing of a mallet ! I've never seen a box fall off a truck ever...

Thanks for the reply...now I know what they are looking at....mine are extremely tight! 1" drive 40" breaker bar and cheater pipe.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
Mine were tight too till they got hit with a hammer mechanic who tightened them was shocked I got a ticket he tightened them so they bent the metal studs on the box hit em and it still moved I still cry foul!
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
They do the hammer thing with license plate lamps also. Or maybe it's the directed-energy weapon thing, like the phasers on Star Trek. What ever it is, it makes a perfectly working light defective, resulting in at least a warning or fix-it ticket.

Sustained blasts on stun setting have been known to make a brake chamber too hot.

I've seen it cause tribbles to fall out of the air compressor. But don't quote me on that.
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Sustained blasts on stun setting have been known to make a brake chamber too hot.

I've seen it cause tribbles to fall out of the air compressor. But don't quote me on that.

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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Thanks for the reply...now I know what they are looking at....mine are extremely tight! 1" drive 40" breaker bar and cheater pipe.

The nut may be tight on the threads but that does not mean the U-bolt is tight on the frame. It happened once on our truck where during a DOT inspection, not at a scale but at a truck stop by a mechanic there for our carrier's periodic DOT inspection, that a U-bolt (truck body bolt) was found loose but the nut was on so tight (rust) that the bolt had to be cut off and replaced. Even a torch could not break that rusted-on nut loose.

Once at Bordentown, I noticed on another driver's truck that the wooden boards that lie between the truck body and truck frame were way out of position and coming out sideways. After pointing this out to the driver, I learned that this brand new truck had been taken somewhere to have a lift axle or some other major component installed. During that installation, the installer removed some U-bolts but did not replace them. In just a few thousand miles, the truck body was beginning to work its way loose and a catastrophic failure might have happened if the defect had not been noticed. Pretrip inspections are supposed to catch such things but in this driver's case, it did not.

In Indiana, a friend of mine was cited for a loose bolt after a scale cop was able to detect a loose one by using a large crow bar and a great deal of force. When the loose bolt was found, the cop brought the driver under the truck with him to show the loose bolt and how it had been detected. As far as the cop was concerned, he was doing everything right and performing an important public service by detecting the loose bolt and citing the driver.

On a related note, this was when CSA was first beginning to be used and this driver got charged with these points and others from other violations that were found at this stop and others iin a short period of time. He and his wife had served his carrier well for nearly two decades. He knew trucks but in a short stretch of time, he had a string of violations, the nature of which would never be picked up in a pretrip inspection, no matter how thorough.

His carrier called him in to discuss this unusual spike in violations. He was told to do better and he very much wanted to do exactly that. It was very unlike him to receive violations of any kind, let alone a string of them. But as it turned out, the intense inspections and the new CSA regime discouraged him so much that he and his wife got out of trucking and are now happily employed in a non-transportation field.

The CSA people would claim this as a great victory. The new rules forced an unsafe driver off the road, right?

The reality is, he was not an unsafe driver as his long-term driving record showed. He was as great of a professional as anyone could hope to be in this business, but because of things like cops with crow bars and bolts that are not loose, except as might be detected with great leverage and force, these two are no longer available to their carrier or the customers they served.

Be careful, drivers. They really are out to get you.
 
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Monty

Expert Expediter
Conspiracy's everywhere.

I have NEVER seen an inspector have to manufacture a defect. If it was loose, it was loose.

Make ya a deal .... post a copy of the citation and I'll send ya $20.00
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Conspiracy's everywhere.

I have NEVER seen an inspector have to manufacture a defect. If it was loose, it was loose.

I have not seen an inspector manufacture a defect but I have seen one cite a defect that did not exist. I saw it with my own eyes because it happened to me.

Diane and I were new in the business and our fleet owner, wanting to save money on a carrier-required DOT inspection, asked me to volunteer for an ispection at a scale in Washington state. The cop replied with a cold stare when I made the request and proceeded to give the truck the most thorough inspection I had seen at that early stage of our expediting career.

He wrote me up for a loose U-bolt. When I asked to see it so I could learn what to look for in the future, he said, "It's in a place that's hard to see," or words to that effect and sent me on my way.

We were legal to run until our next dispatch. When we got the truck into the shop, they charged our fleet owner hundreds of dollars to take a torch to each U-bolt to loosen them up and retighten. They reported that none were found loose.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
NAN: I've never seen an inspector manufacture a defect either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I have seen them cite one trivial violation in spite of more than 100 items that were perfect, so I believe that in some places, they are pressured to produce 'results' that justify their continued salary. I've even been told that by a CVSA inspector: "If I don't find anything, my boss thinks I'm not doing my job."
Safety should be a common goal between drivers & inspectors, but the attitude of some makes an inspection adversarial, and that's a crying shame, IMO.
 
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