My advice to People thinking about van Expediting

flattop40

Expert Expediter
So, I can spend some money to get one persons perspective gathered from a short time in the biz. Or, for no money I can use this web site that has many perspectives from people with many, many years in the biz. Seems to me that spending the money would be dumb.

I have to agree the worlds best place for info on our business is right here at this site IMO. hOWEVER, HS, TH, Cheri, You guys are all hung up on her "lack of experience". I say isn't this the way of the future? A man with only 143 days of senate experience is now our president. Cheri and HS it seems as tho this would be right up your ally.

Last time I checked this is still the United States of Socialism.... I mean America. If she wants to write a book I say more power to ya. Now I would have to say most of us on this site probably wouldn't NEED it but yes I would buy it just knowing I was supporting a fellow EO memeber. Its like someone writing a book on how to drywall a house. Do you think a professional drywaller is going to buy this book. NO but someone thinking about getting into it yes.

You know if you wouldn't have been so negitive and backstabbing (cheri) she might have even put some of your pearls of wisdom into her book. And yes I am calling Cheri out because she purposely asked xteam about the book just to ridicule it.

So, until we lose the rights to write a book if we feel like it I say do it and any of you nay sayers think you can do better step up to the plate, put your money where your mouth is, he who is without sin shall cast the first stone.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ya know if only .5% of internet readers buy the book...she'll make money....Wish I'd thought of it...anyone can write a book about anything...
heck one could print off the pages from here...change the names and co=ordinate them and make up a booklet and market it thru the net and someone will buy it....
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Re: My advice to Linda

Linda,
I offered you suggestions from experience. It doesn't matter if you take it or that you think you are being trashed. When you start writing for profit, you enter the profession you are writing about and your peers are your judges.

I offered you a couple suggestions, look at folding some subjects into others (experience will tell you which ones) and lower the price because $22 is way too much - $14 to $16 is better.

Here is a couple more suggestions.

Have you had any peers in this profession proof the information you are writing about to get a second view?

Have you thought about putting your experience in this profession on the website?

For example "we are team owner/operators contracted with FedEx driving a 2004 Freightliner Century truck that is equipped with a 24 foot box and a lift gate" It matters to establish your credibility right from the start the second that web site goes up. AND if you are afraid of positing that information then you should reconsider publishing the book because an author who is afraid to speak of who they are, is really worthless in many professions.

I am concern and always have been with the newbies who listen to the fluff and BS and get into a bad situation that they can't get out of. Many of us have seen people enter this and get discourage within 6 months or a year while losing a lot of money. I offer my advice for free, I don't want to make money on my advice, even though I really need the money, I continue to offer it for free.

But as Flattop said, do what you want to do.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
A man with only 143 days of senate experience is now our president. Cheri and HS it seems as tho this would be right up your ally.

Flattop, could you explain this statement? Do you think I'm an Obama supporter? I have 10+ years in expediting. I just don't know where you're coming from with this random appearing statement.

This is still, at this point, a capitalist economy. If she can make a couple of bucks with this venture, that's great! The bottom line is, there's already an Intro to Expediting book. It's free and has been reviewed favorably. I haven't read it. Then, of course, there's EO with so, so much. I'm just taking a practical, common sense look at the venture and the fact that it wouldn't make sense to spend money on something like this. That's anything but being mean. It's a view for the author to consider before money is invested in this venture. I would assume that, at this point, it's just time.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I have to agree the worlds best place for info on our business is right here at this site IMO. hOWEVER, HS, TH, Cheri, You guys are all hung up on her "lack of experience". I say isn't this the way of the future? A man with only 143 days of senate experience is now our president. Cheri and HS it seems as tho this would be right up your ally.
That crack was irrelevant, untrue, and uncalled for.

Last time I checked this is still the United States of Socialism.... I mean America. If she wants to write a book I say more power to ya. Now I would have to say most of us on this site probably wouldn't NEED it but yes I would buy it just knowing I was supporting a fellow EO memeber. Its like someone writing a book on how to drywall a house. Do you think a professional drywaller is going to buy this book. NO but someone thinking about getting into it yes.

You know if you wouldn't have been so negitive and backstabbing (cheri) she might have even put some of your pearls of wisdom into her book. And yes I am calling Cheri out because she purposely asked xteam about the book just to ridicule it.

"Negative and backstabbing"? Don't think so -. And I did NOT ask about the book to ridicule it, either. I asked for the same reason others stated: one year in the business does not provide the wide expertise one would expect from the author of a book about the business, IMO. I did check out the website, but as THawk pointed out, we can't comment on the subject matter without paying for the book, and I see no reason to do that, myself.
Linda, I apologize for making you feel insulted, if that's how you feel. I was simply being honest about what I believe the credentials of an author should be when it comes to a nonfiction book, ok?

So, until we lose the rights to write a book if we feel like it I say do it and any of you nay sayers think you can do better step up to the plate, put your money where your mouth is, he who is without sin shall cast the first stone.
If I thought a newbie could write and sell a guide to expediting that is accurate, comprehensive, and worth the price, I'd have written one myself a couple years ago - but I don't think I have the necessary expertise with 5 years behind me.
That's all I'm saying.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Flattop... you're blowing this out of proportion. I'll leave it at that.

And as far as a pop warner coach running the NFL... well, we'll see.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
If the author's true intent is to help folks, I think you would be better served to address their questions here, rather than charging a fee for something that can't be very comprehensive.
I don't need to read the book to make that assessment unless you are selling it as volumes one through twenty.
Why do I say that? Because there are too many variations of entering this business. It isn't like you would be the first person to think of writing a book.
Again, if your real passion is to help folks, why don't I see many posts from you? I think we both know that answer.
If you want to cash in, write a book about YOUR experiences, and leave it at that.
I think your plan would have been better received had you not tried to charge for it.
Remember, most here are out to help each other, not make a buck from their fellow driver.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The problem with even Phil's dissertation on entering the business is from one point of view with one company. With all of his experience he still has no clue what Panther is like or Landstar but just FedEx.

To say something like that, you have to be, well, um... without a clue.

Priests don't need to marry and have children to be good family counselors. Fire fighters don't have to burn down their own homes to know how devastating a house fire can be. Truckers do not need to be half-burned alive to understand how serious an accident can be. People don't have to break a leg to know that it hurts or travel to France to learn the language and a great deal about that country.

In the same way, industry writers do not have to work for every carrier they write about to provide accurate and reliable information. In fact, industry writers don't have to drive a truck at all to write for a trucking magazine. I am one of the very few that do.

Introduction to Expediting is a carrier-neutral piece that has stood the test of time and the scrutiny of multiple carriers. As you read this, recruiters with carriers other than FedEx Custom Critical are distributing the piece to people who want to know more about expediting. Lawrence McCord, owner of this web site that serves multiple carriers, has seen fit to publish the piece online under the EO name and distribute it at truck shows as a valuable resource. Clearly, Introduction to Expediting has transcended the one-carrier perspective.

Yes, I am a FedEx Custom Critical contractor. But as the editor of Expedite NOW -- a magazine that serves multiple carriers and readers having all levels of expedite experience -- I wear a second hat and strive to develop and share an industry-wide and carrier-neutral view. That comes through as clear as a bell to anyone open to seeing it.

Examples:

- The EN cover story about a solar-powered van that featured an Express-1 van on the cover (I decide what goes on the cover).

- This thread that solicited input from expediters of all carriers to be shared in an upcoming article. When it comes out in print, you will also see input from a Panther big-rig team that I sought out and interviewed to add perspective to the piece.

- This dinner event involving contractors from three carriers where good information was exchanged and I learned more about other companies. I learned because I made the effort to learn.

- Dozens more examples of numerous carriers referenced in the magazine with no favoritism or one-carrier view.

It is just plain wrong to say that because I am a contractor that hauls freight for one carrier that I cannot know more about others and the business overall. In my role as editor, I have interviewed and/or visited with many more people and companies than I have space to write about. They include fleet owners, contractors in trucks of all types, company executives, vendors and more.

Recent examples include a visit Diane and I made to a Landstar Express America agency in Minnesota to learn more about their business, a lengthy phone conversation with a team I met at the Expedite Expo in which the team spoke in great detail about their fleet owner that had all trucks repossessed and a carrier that may be on its last legs, and an office visit with a fleet owner who runs over 100 trucks.

These people and many others confide in me, not because I drive for a particular carrier or have a one-carrier point of view, but because they trust me to keep their information to myself. Their information is very useful as I strive to write stuff that is of interest industry-wide.

You say I have a one-business point of view? Get a clue. People in and out of expediting have given me their time and gone out of their way to share what they know. It is amazing how much you can learn from others when they trust you to keep your ears open and your mouth shut. Sometimes all it takes for someone to open up is genuine interest in what they are up to.

Just today, I was invited to tour an impressive local courrier company in Saint Louis and see their even more impressive software in action. That invitation came from one of my blog readers who I knew nothing about until I met him on the road. You can read about the tour on my blog if you wish.

I'm not going to say I know more about expediting than someone else who has been in the business for a while, but I will also not let stand the assertion that I have a limited, one-company perspective about what is going on out here.

I work very hard to learn something new every day. What I learn is often about expediting, the people who do it and the people who want to do it.

When I am asked, I am brutally honest and tell people if they can do something else, do it because we are all having a hard time.

No, Greg, we are not all having a hard time. To say every expediter is having a hard time is dishonest. While I believe it is true that freight has slowed and most if not all expediters are making less money these days, it is simply not the case that we are all having a hard time.

Not every expediter is living hand to mouth. Not every expediter is depending on the very next load to make one's truck payment. Some expediters are better prepared for slowdowns than others, and they are the ones not having a hard time. A business slowdown does not equate to a hard time for those who are prepared for it.

The last thing I want to add is that a years worth of knowledge is nothing, I have almost four and I know just enough to get by. I can't begin to tell you that one year with what I assume is with one company means nothing.

This brings us back to one of the themes that has developed in this thread; namely, how experienced does one have to be to write a credible book about expediting?

My answer is zero experience is needed to write a credible book on expediting.

I am not going to mention the book by name, but a while ago, an experienced expediter wrote a book about expeiditng. It was a piece of crap that got nowhere because it was a piece of crap. Highly experienced expediter, piece of crap book.

Look in any major trucking magazine and you will see people who have never driven a truck in their life writing good stuff about trucking. I see no reason why someone good with a pen cannot write a good expediting book.

The fact that XTeam has not been in the business long is a strength in my view. What better time to write a book for people who want to know more about expedting than when you are new at it yourself?

Rookies know what wannabees want to know. Better than those of us that have forgotten, they can write about what it is like to see a bill of lading for the first time and know if that document is more important to complete than something your fleet owner wants.

Experienced people in any field tend to forget what it is like to not know what they now know. Whether XTeam's book turns out to be useful or not, her words as a newer expediter will communicate a lot about today's experience as an expediter wannabee and rookie. For that reason alone, it will be interesting to read and I am looking forward to doing so.
 
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flattop40

Expert Expediter
Phil that was an awsome reply. You put into words everything I was thinking. I wish I had your talent.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Phil, I was going to write a good long reply, mostly defending my comments. I was told I have to be nice and understand where you are coming from.

I expected a welcome back but hell Phil this is one good way of saying it.

Well here goes.

I didn’t bring up the EN thing, you did and I wish you wouldn’t have but because you did, I will tell you what the problem I see.

In order for you to actually be an effective editor, you need to understand where people are coming from without putting your experience in front of it or having a defensive shield up when criticized. It has to do with the fact that you did start at the top in a restrictive company and you have missed out on some important lessons from starting opposite from most everyone else. One such lesson is the ability to speak to people on their level who have struggled to get by or who have finally achieved what they feel is success. Experience allows that, research doesn’t.

There I said it and it is that simple. I can explain it further but got to tell you, you’re a big boy and maybe by following some examples of reporters who get into the field to learn what it is like to be a fire fighter (one example) may be an indication of where I am coming from.

As for Linda, well I told her what I thought and still feel that the best course is to wait, look at my suggestions and then figure out how to price it for less.

AND the last thing Phil, don’t reply to my comments. I was begged back here by a lot of people and I don’t want to start my new beginnings with long rambling replies to your posts unless you have an open mind about things and say something more useful than the self-promotion stuff. We get you are the editor and I want to see you succeed and maybe that is why I am back. You can PM me and scream all you want, I welcome it.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
In an open forum, Greg, you don't get to post and then direct other peoples' replies.

You disappeared from the open forum with no notice or explanation. I don't know why and do not need to know. I do know that you have not changed a bit since returning. You have something to say about almost everything and it often comes around to pointing out other people's shortcomings, mistakes or other faults you identify (often incorrectly) and expound on.

You were refreshingly forthcoming in talking about you needing money these days and your new work teaching people how to drive a truck (what does that mean exactly, teaching people how to drive a truck?)

Clearly, you are not succeeding as an expediter. That has not changed from before your hiatus from the open forum (judging from information you provided in the past). I find it OUTRAGEOUS that someone with an expediting track record like yours feels free to put a successful newbie and aspiring writer down.

Your criticism that I cannot understand certain expediters because I succeeded as one is ridiculous.

First, are there any two expediters that truly understand each others experiences, desires and motives? Your line of reasoning is senseless. Carrying it to its logical conclusion means that no expediter can understand any expediter but one's self, and therefore, no expediter can advise another. Casting the net a bit wider, you might be able to say that expediters can only understand their own kind (same truck types, same carriers, same business models, same patern of results, etc). If that were true, you would be permitted to only advise expediters who wish to fail, since that is your track record as an expditer.

Second, in expediting and more so outside of it, I have been hit with setbacks and personal disasters that you know nothing of. Do you think I have never been broke? Do you think I have never known the depths of despair and defeat? Do you think I have never been brought to my knees and reduced to tears in the face of life-questions I could not answer? Do you think I have never been overwhelmed by events and paralyzed by fear? Do you think I have not made mistakes that I deeply regret and hate myself for decades later? Do you think I have always had a sense of purpose, specific goals and the will to live? I'm not one to trot such things out in public but your suggestion that I am somehow luckier than most and unchallenged by life's blows is further from the truth than anything can be.

It is an open forum, Greg. Cut the newbies some slack. A lot of them are doing better in this business than you.

That is, if you are even in the business any more. Are you? If so, what is your business model this time and how is it working for you? I have lost track of the various expediting methods you have tried. If you are still in the business, what exactly are you doing this time around and why are you doing it instead of the things you tried before?

When it comes to one expediter learning from another, it may well be you that has the most to learn. While you are cutting newbies some slack, cut other people some slack too. You have not earned the right to be as critical as you are. I don't know anyone who has. I have not earned the right either, but propelled by OUTRAGE, I am being critical of you...or to use your words, brutally honest.
 
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EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
I'm glad Gregg334 is back to still the pot. Nothing like blunt comments tinged with smart-assisms to get things going.


By the way A-Team generally has good comments, and appears to be well educated. But unless you are lucky enough to bribe your way into FECC WG when you first sign on most of his experiences are irrelevant to the COMMON, new contractor. I have been with FECC for 3 years, asked to go WG when I signed on and was told they have to evaluate new contractors for at least a year. A-Team signed on Immediately in WG, which proves 2 things about FECC right up front.

1 Favoritism Occurs
2 They will mislead you if it suits their purpose

I would not recommend any one get into this or ANY new business until Obama is out of the White House or the DOW JONES stops falling. In the case of the first it will be at least 4 years in the case of the second WHO KNOWS.

As for Your choice of Carrier, If you can weasel your way into WG up front then by all means sign with FECC, other wise go with another carrier because FECC does not care about selling their Dry BOX service. Which they basically admitted on the conference. They have ceded that business to Panther.

Incidentally, I used to have 3 Green Squares under my Name on Expediters, now I have one. I am suspicious about this, since I crack on FECC alot and there seems to be many FECC moderators on EO. I think I lost 2 squares for speaking Truth to POWER LOL,

Have a NICE day.

PS feel free to dismiss everything I said EXCEPT the part about not buying a truck now with the INTENT of making money.
 

EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
By the way I am a published author.

Published in March of 2001, Ill keep the title to myself so as to remain anonymous. But I sold a few copies, got mentioned on Air by Micheal Savage and then drifted into obscurity.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Barack Obama served as a US senator from January 2005 to November 2008. Upon his election to the presidency in November, he resigned from the Senate.

It would be accurate to say he began seeking the Presidency after only 143 days as a US senator. But, he was a senator for nearly four years. Yes, Obama's experience is paper thin and it shows.

BTW... Linda of XTeam, I am more interested in the quality of your experience and insights than the quantity. Write on.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I have been with FECC for 3 years, asked to go WG when I signed on and was told they have to evaluate new contractors for at least a year. A-Team signed on Immediately in WG, which proves 2 things about FECC right up front.

1 Favoritism Occurs
2 They will mislead you if it suits their purpose

Or, it may prove nothing at all. When we got into White Glove, there was no waiting list that anyone told us about. We had to do a personal interview and drive a fleet owner's WG-equipped truck, but that was it. At that time, we were not the only ones to get in without a wait.

The market later tightened and the list grew. Had you been trying to get into WG in 2003, you may well have gotten in. Things were different then. If Diane and I came into FedEx Custom Critical new today, we would come face to face with the experience requirement and waiting list that exists today.

For new readers, don't let the existence of the waiting list fool you. The recession has hit White Glove trucks like all others. Freight of all kinds has slowed. While I expect it to improve, the money today is not as good as it once was.

If Diane and I became first-time owner-operators today, we would be in no rush to build a high-dollar truck. In fact, if we were looking at expediting as a possible new career opportunity, we would not be in a rush to enter the business at all. Things are different now than they were a few years ago. If we were expedite wannabees researching the business opportunity today, I do not think we would make the the same conclusions and plans we made when we researched the business in 2003.
 
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EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
Mainly,

I'm still ****ed about yet another $500.00 grossing week.


Also What Happened to my other 2 Green Squares?
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
Easy, I'm not a Mod, but let me take a stab at this thing about the 'squares'. I believe they come when you get a positive 'reputation' on your posts.. that little cloud icon thingy.. and after a certain length of time, I believe they drift off.. so I think if, say you had lots of comments, enough to get you 3 squares at one time, if time went by and some of the comments disappeared and were not replaced by new ones, I think the squares also fall off.
That's my theory and I'm stickin to it (until someone higher up tells me otherwise!)
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
In response to the header of think before getting into this business in a van.. well right now it is not a good idea unless you know the carrier you're joining has some business and can keep you moving (not likely in the current environment). It is hard out here and every company is feeling the effects, even local courier co's are suffering (fact by the low # of ads for drivers everywhere). So if looking to get into this in a van think hard and long and learn about the business as much as possible priopr to doing so.

Having said the last sentence the guide is a great idea! Not necessarily for the price mentioned but a great idea none the less. I wanted such a thing awhile ago in this and the courier businesses as it is needed due to the amount of work involved in records keeping, regs involved etc. While trying to find info by looking back in EO archives is good (and can be very informative) it takes a while to get the info and key the correct info to get the right threads. In fact what if some one new doesn't know of this site yet? To get info can be a chore. So a guide available and if advertised right would be a help if readily available (one is, more is better).

As for the short life span in expediting of the author of this latest guide, well so what if they are a fast study. Why do I say this? Well if someone enters a new business and they are info seekers then they will learn a lot in a short period of time. I know as I do this all the time. Years ago I went from just entering this business of immediate deliveries from being the newest guy to having an office and being a manager in less than 18 months. I did the same in the computer business. Remember whe we all entered this wonderful world of expediting we all made mistakes and we learned. All of us learned more in our first year than any other period in the business!
Rob
 
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