McCain's VP

Black Sheep

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As in most other philosophical exercises, religion functions best when practiced in moderation. We've all seen what happened when charlatans like Jim and Tammy Faye took advantage of gullible people, just like what's happening now with the radical muslim mullahs' influence over their religion. The founding fathers established the separation of church and state for obvious reasons, but our laws and constitution were based on judeo-christian values nontheless. Religions have existed since the beginning of humanity, if for no other reason to serve as guideposts to help us determine right from wrong. To say that religion is the root of all evil is a bit oversimplistic - you could just as easily claim that one or more of the seven deadly sins could be the root of all evil (greed for example). On the flip side, you could also make the argument that religion is the root of all decency. By the way, what's this got to do with this thread about McCain's VP? Talk about wandering off on a tangent.
 

Turtle

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As in most other philosophical exercises, religion functions best when practiced in moderation. We've all seen what happened when charlatans like Jim and Tammy Faye took advantage of gullible people, just like what's happening now with the radical muslim mullahs' influence over their religion.
Moderation, to be sure. Once you cross the line to the fanatical, of total submission, regardless of the religion in question, the entire concept of "free will" becomes a laugher.

As for the charlatans... were they really charlatans? The word is often misused with regard to religion, but all a charlatan is, is someone who boasts to have more knowledge or skill than they actually have, i.e., a quack. Jim and Tammy Faye weren't quacks, they were real, or at least as real as any other religious leader. Their "gullible" sheeple people weren't any more or less gullible than the faithful followers of any other religious movement or sect. Saying that the followers of Jim and Tammy Faye were gullible is the same thing as saying all Catholics are gullible, or all Christians, or Muslims, or <fill in the blank> are gullible. And you'd be right. Jim and Tammy Faye had control and power, and it corrupted them, absolutely. People are mad at the Bakers not because the Bakers fleeced them, but because they came to their senses and recognized that they had been fleeced. If they had not come to their senses, everything would be to this day hunky dory.

Religions have existed since the beginning of humanity, if for no other reason to serve as guideposts to help us determine right from wrong.
Weeeellll.... not exactly. That's what a lot of religions came to be, but that wasn't the case early on. Early in man's history, as in today, right from wrong, control over the people, pretty much the same thing. True right and wrong is gleened from religious teachings, but the basis of that right and wrong still stems from controlling the people on how to behave, how to think.

Religion and belief in a higher power is an interesting thing, I think. From as far back as can be determined, man has some deep-rooted need to seek out something bigger than themselves, to believe in a higher power. Largely, though, whatever man cannot understand or explain rationally, in the absence of knowledge, the easy way out is to explain it away by the act of some god or another. It goes back to way before Greek Mythology, to the volcano gods, wind gods, rain gods, all the way to things that people do not yet understand that get blamed on God today. God must be really ticked off at the people of New Orleans, right? Not to mention Haiti, Cuba, you know. If we didn't have any knowledge about weather systems and satellite data you can bet that some God or gods would be the explanation of hurricanes, same as they were before we began to understand the weather. In fact, some people believe still that God works in mysterious ways and the hurricanes are His work for some unknown sinful transgression. People bad, God good.

To say that religion is the root of all evil is a bit oversimplistic...
Yes, it is. Way over simplistic. But it was to make a point.

On the flip side, you could also make the argument that religion is the root of all decency.
Absolutely, and you woouldn't be wrong in making the argument for both evil and decency.

By the way, what's this got to do with this thread about McCain's VP? Talk about wandering off on a tangent.
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theBeemer

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How true! Not only are women evil but they are all a part of the Zionist take over. The 27th Protocol says that women were made from man's rib, a cheaper cut. And therefor are inferior and evil. Sure would be nice if we could just be left alone to drink beer, masturbate, fish, farm, hunt and watch the human race die out.

Actually there are only 23....I highly recommend you look them up. Read one stop and think about it..read another and so on and so on..The think they were wrote in 1897..You'll think ya thats true, ya thats come true etc. Of course they deny them now but the cat is out of the bag...And why are they becoming so true?
 

Turtle

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Well, actually, most of "The Protocols" were penned in the 1864 book Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu by Maurice Joly, and were then blatantly and unceremoniously plagiarized, often word for word, and edited for an antisemitic cause for use in opposition of the Russian Reveolution by Pavel Krushevan as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as a method for rallying hatred to squelch the Revolution. Krushevan was the owner and editor of a Russian newspaper. Jews were never mentioned in the original work of Joly. Not once. The original had nothing to do with Jews, it was about hammering Napoleon. And if you read The Protocols with that in mind, they make a helluva lot more sense than when you apply it to Jews.

This is probably the most researched, most well known and most discussed literary forgery ever. It is easily the most infamous example of racist propaganda ever written. It's a fairy tale, a hoax, a fraud. Even the original work that The Protocols were based on was somewhere between pure fiction and satirical commentary (Joly was a well know satirist). It's been proved conclusively that it's a hoax, that it was plagiarized for a specific purpose. Have you not researched this even on a cursory level? I learned about all this in junior high school.

But, even as a hoax, it's got legs, I'll give ya that. Muslims routinely teach it in schools as historical fact. In the 1920's it was the Arabs who first made The Protocols to be a connection between Zionism and Bolshevism. That alone should give one pause. The book is a Best Seller in many Middle Eastern countries, but nowhere else in the world.

If you actually believe that it's true in any way, the only, and I mean the only conclusions that anyone can come to is that you are either antisemitic in the extreme, or astoundingly gullible and will believe anything given to you at face value. I'm sorry to say that no one with any intelligence who is not also antisemitic believes this nonsense.

It is true that the bolder the lie the more easily it is believed, and whatever nutjob group is feeding you this crap is feeding you a long load of bolder. For example, I think I have illustrated quite conclusively, and all of it easily verifiable, how the Jews were not major players in the slave trade. They were barely minor players. If that part of the "facts" regarding Zionists is that big of a lie, can you not see that everything else that is purported with regard to it all is also highly suspect, and maybe even a lie?

About the only part of it that's not a lie, and even this is mainly a coincidence, is that Jews do in fact make up a large percentage of the media in positions of power and control. However, even amongst Jews they see this as a problem for many reasons, not the least of which they know that Americans aren't getting the full story on Palestine (and other issues), simply because of the fact that American Jews don't know it, either, and they have a deep-seeded need to protect Israel, both consciously and unconsciously. Jewish control of the media has historically mirrored whoever was the elitist group in power at the time. When Jews were not in favor, they had little control of the media. It all cycles. Jews were largely in control of the European media during the mid and late 1800's, not coincidentally on the heels of when The Protocols were invented. Jews were not in control of the media anywhere (other than Israel) on any large scale at all from the late 1800's until actually very recently. It cycles. Maybe the Muslims will take over the media next. Or the illiterate, ignorant bloggers that are so pervasive. That's a scary thought.

Even at that, if the basis for all of this is The Protocols, then everything else crumbles, cause it's a fake and a fraud to begin with. It's 100% nonsense, pure fiction. Those who believe have been tricked, fooled, bamboozled, hornswaggled, flimflammed, scammed, deluded. How does it feel to have been tricked?

Personally, I could care less who is in charge of the media. I look at all of it with with a skeptical, critical eye, and rarely believe what I'm told merely because I'm told to believe what I'm told. I can make up my own mind, thank you very much.

You ask why are The Protocols becoming so true? Are you kiddin' me? Everything Nostradamus wrote has or is coming true, right? Prophecies of the various religious texts are coming true, right? The world will end at the end of the millennium (8 years ago, BTW), right? Everything in The Protocols fits what is happening today. Yeah, right.

The Protocols is so far out there in left field that it defies sanity, especially when you consider that the majority of it was plagiarized from an earlier work that had nothing to do with the Jews. So, why, you might ask, is it all so, so, sooooo relevant to what is happening today. Well, everything that is happening today was also happening long before The Protocols were written, long before the original work from which The Protocols were plagairized. The more things change, the more they stay the same. That's why. There is nothing new under the sun (I can't believe I just said that, but it's true).

Most, all really, of The Protocols can be applied to just about any period in civilized history, from the ancient Egyptians to the Greeks to Middle Ages to current events. Merely replace "Jews" with whoever has the speudo-power du jour and there ya go. It is about power, how to get it, how to keep it, and it applies to anyone seeking that power, be it Jews or Muslims or the Chinese Mafia. Those who want something to be true very badly will look for something, anything, in their chosen text, be it The Protocols, The Bible, The Torah, The Owner's Manual for a 1974 Buick Roadmaster, whatever, and use it to corroborate their belief. "Look at this! Lookit! Lookit! Lookit! See? I told you so! It says right here that the world will end yesterday, and will continue to end for eleven straight days! YOU just watch!"

Partly cloudy, 30% chance of rain. Pick a day, any day, and that prediction will come true.
 

theBeemer

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Yea Turtle, I am Jewish, I didn't know this and I have a tribe to beat all. I wrote to the Pope asking him to bless our tribe and telling him that he is also Jewish. I don't know about this because I thought if I had a tribe, someone would come over and help me plant a garden or cut the lawn.

Oh I am arrogant too....


The tribe..meaning 12 tribes of Isreal,,,,,,:rolleyes:
And yes you are very arrogant..And I don't believe your a Catholic for a minute..So are you a Khazar or a true semetic? Why are you so ashamed to admit you are?
 
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theBeemer

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Mr. Turtle normally I agree with you..But if the protocols were all made up and everything why have they become so true? That is the question?
The advent of the internet kinda hard to censor makes them availble now..That is why they are trying to deny it all..Greg came with a different schmooze denying them then you did..Who should I believe? How or why should I?
I already answered the antisemtic question....The Zionist Khazar is no more semetic then you or I.They are nothing but converted Slavs/Mongols..Converted to judaism instead of Islam or Christianity.
I really don't think I am gullable..I look at the left and the right then try to figure out what is down the middle to get the truth.
Again if the they are fake or forged why is it they are coming true more and more every day? And actually I didn't even know about till about 6 months ago ..I just stumbled into them on the net..Did have some knowledge of the Kosher Tax scam/shakedown.
Control the media you yourself admitted that..I actually proved it. Controll the (illegal) Federal Reserve. Controll our politics....I proved that with the Clinton Appointments..Even Greg congradulated me on that and did not dispute it. I can get the info on Bush's cabinet again and post here. Look how many are in our congress and senate.....and remember they are 3 percent of the population..I thought the USA Government was by and for the people.Not just for 3 percent of the population..I can post how many with Dual Citizenship....And you think they really have our best interest at heart?
What more proof does any one need to awaking to fact that a certain group has taken over like George Washington and in my opinion a prophet Ben Franklin quoted and believed?
Look how bad the USA has deterated the last 50 years.And about when did they really get complete media control? The last 40 years? And open your eyes and see all the unmarried couples, single mothers, lesbians having kids etc.Who was in charge of the feminist,abortion, gay rights,,,The Chicago 7 were all???? The most foul degenerate porn is produce by who? Shall I prove that too?
And don't tell me why don't you leave..Why should I leave? Id rather fight the invading parasites off. No one here or any where can question my Patroitism or for that matter my families, or my ancestors. I can join The Sons of the Revolution with proof all the way to three American Patriots. Two of them got killed in the Revolutionary War. Takes alot of gullibelity to tell me to leave MY country...How the people who bend over and kiss the khazars but and the ones who stick their heads in the sand and take the scewing (Kosher Tax, one of many) no questions asked how about they leave? Go to Isreal if they like the changes in the USA...We commented in another thread about how things have gonne from bad to horrible the last thrirty years or so.
No friend I give you the benifit of the doubt you were not trying to insult me...well at least not like Greg does anyway
 

Turtle

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Mr. Turtle normally I agree with you..But if the protocols were all made up and everything...
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If? Did you say IF? There's no IF. They WERE made up. They're a stone-cold fabrication stolen from an earlier literary work. I don't know how I can make it any plainer than that, and you really can't proceed any further with anything until you can grasp that one..simple..fact.

Read slowly...

Joly wrote a book in 1864 (Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu - the English translation of which is Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu) which was the basis for all of this. It was aimed at Napoleon (and got Joly into a lot of trouble for it, too), but it could have been aimed at almost anyone in power, or anyone who wanted power. The book attacks Napoleon, his political ambitions and his lust for power, using Machiavelli as the diabolical plotter in Hell as a stand-in for Napoleon's views.

The book inspired a man named Herman Goedsche (A.K.A., Sir John Retcliffe) to write one of his own (Biarritz) two years later in 1868. (Goedsche is best known for his antisemitism, and for the large contribution that his novels inspired Krushevan when he wrote The Protocols and were first published in 1903, thirty nine years after Joly's work.) In Goedsche's novel (you do understand that a novel is fiction, right?) he had a chapter in which he described a secret midnight meeting in a Jewish cemetery in Prague between members of a mysterious rabbinical cabal where, at midnight, the Devil appears before those who have gathered on behalf of the Twelve Tribes of Israel in order to plan a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. (Kind of like a nineteenth century meet the Devil at the Crossroads kind of thing. It's an old story, though.)

The scene in Goedsche's Biarritz very closely mirrors a scene from a much earlier novel, written in 1846 titled Joseph Balsamo, Memoirs of a Physician, written by Alexandre Dumas. It was one of a series of the so-called Marie Antoinette romances. Dumas was, at the time, and quite possibly still, the most read French author, by far. The scene in Joseph Balsamo wasn't about Jews or some cabal and Israel, it was about the lead characters meeting in secret and plotting, but instead of plotting to take over the world, they were plotting an event known as The Affair of the Diamond Necklace, an actual event in the court of Louis the XVI where his wife, Marie Antoinette conspired to defraud the crown jewelers out of the cost of a very expensive necklace. It was one of the things that led to the French Revolution, actually. The French people had had it up to their necks with Marie Antoinette. (sorry)

Dumas also wrote, among countless other books and plays, The Count of Monte Crisco, The Three Musketeers, and wrote the definitive adaptation of The Nutcracker on which Tchaikovsky adapted for his famous ballet.

So, here we have midnight meetings and secret plotting in widely read and very popular literature by Dumas (the kind of stuff that was first popularized in Greek literature, and in some of the more famous Shakespeare plays, as well), combined with Joly's Dialogues in Hell which was widely read and caused quite the stir, and a very inspired and very antisemitic Krushevan took hold of it and edited to be all about the Jews and published it as fact, and even included an elaborate story and (completely fabricated) documents as corroborating evidence (a manner in which possibly Dan Rather was equally inspired when he fabricated corroborating evidence for a story near and dear to his heart).

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Protocols 1-19 very closely follow the order of The Dialogues in Hell 1-17.

For example, The Protocols page 43:
"These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion."

And from page 65:
"Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State."

Why the Jews would even mention a Hindu god while setting up a plan to take over the world defies belief, 'cause they wouldn't, but be that as it may, from Dialogues in Hell page 141:
"Machiavelli: Like the god Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country."

And from page 207:
"Montesquieu: Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring."


It gets better. From The Protocols, page 77:
"A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5%, then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt."

And from Dialogues, page 209:
"Montesquieu: How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5%, the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum. "
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It that blatant enough for you? I could go on and on with example after example of bald-face plagiarisms. The Protocols were made up, invented from a couple of plots stolen from earlier works, not to mention the entire outline, structure and many of the same ideas and phrases were copied nearly word for word. This is not some fingers-in-my-ears "la-la-la" denial or some wishful thinking, this is absolutely 100% verifiable and provable. It is irrefutable, undeniable, unquestionable.

The Protocols
were made up by some antisemitic aѕѕhole to use as a weapon of his hatred for Jews, plain and simple, and those who are antisemitic today ignore the lies (and the truth) and continue to use it as a tool of hate, ignorance and delusion.

why have they become so true? That is the question?
Well, since The Protocols were fabricated, anything that is contained within them can't possibly come true, since none of it was a prediction, much less a manifesto for world domination.

However, as an intellectual exercise, one can look for parallels, correlations and coincidences between things that are happening today and The Protocols. That's all it is, though, an intellectual exercise. The thing is, if you think the Jews are a part of some grand conspiracy, then anything and everything that even remotely resembles any part of the conspiracy will validate your beliefs. Not only that, you never examine the "evidence" with any skepticism, and instead accept it at face value, for if you apply skepticism and doubt and put it to the test then it might no longer support your theory. And we just can't have any of that.

The Protocols can be slightly edited, same as they were for the Jews, and apply them to nearly any period in history. The Ancient Greeks, the Roman Empire, certainly the British Colonial Period. You can apply them very neatly to the Chinese government right now. The Protocols is all about controlling people, and anyone who wants to, or does, fits The Protocols.

So, it's not that they are becoming true, it's that they have always been true, regardless of who they are edited to be about.

The advent of the internet kinda hard to censor makes them availble now..That is why they are trying to deny it all..
First of all, they are denying it all because it's all a fabrication. Secondly, do you have any idea how many times The Protocols have been published over the years, and in how many translations? Without even looking I'll bet you can order a copy of it from Amazon right now. It was printed just a few years ago in a Muslim newspaper out of New Jersey, IIRC (wait a minute, I thought the Jews controlled the media?). We studied it in junior high school. Everyone has studied it. It's been uber available since it was first published.

The Internet, actually, makes a case-closed argument about Jewish control of the media. Yes, Jews make up a large percentage of people in power and controlling positions of the media. But that doesn't mean anything. You might THINK it does, but it doesn't. Not that I'm giving it one ounce of credibility, but The Protocols (Dialogue in Hell more specifically) talks about controlling the press and the flow of information, not about "the media". "The media" is a term that didn't even exist when any of these works were written. It was the press, and it was word of mouth, that was it.

But, for argument's sake and the intellectual exercise, what does "control of the media" actually mean? Does it mean controlling a large part of the media, or does it mean all of it? It's hard to have complete and total domination with something as pesky as the Internet running wild. Just ask the Chinese government, where they censor the Internet so severely that you wouldn't even recognize it. They even censored the media during the Olympics.

Do the Jews control the media, or do they merely influence that part of the media they do control? Or are they just in it for the money? Jews have certainly never avoided collecting coin of the realm, that's for sure. There are two plausible possibilities (well, more than just two, but let's keep it simple) for Jews to be in positions of power in the media. But first, do keep in mind that Jews are rarely in a controlling position of the small market media, like hometown newspapers, etc. They go where the big markets are, there the money is. So, the possibilities are that they are in it for the money, or they are in it to control it as a part of world domination.

Since The Protocols are, in fact, a total fabrication from the mind of an antisemitic fool, and there is no compelling hard evidence whatsoever of a grand conspiracy of Zionist domination, then one simply cannot intelligently conclude that they are trying to control the media in order to control the world. All other pleas about Federal Reserve Banks and the like fall into the same category, actually, as the reasonings behind all of it is all conjecture, supposition, pure belief and circumstantial. And once The Protocols crumble under irrefutable evidence of fraud, every claim based on The Protocols is bogus and likewise crumbles away to dust.

I think they're in it for the money. They have a history of money (the diamond trade), but they don't have a history of domination, of the world or of anything else, except, of course, the domination of money.

Greg came with a different schmooze denying them then you did..Who should I believe? How or why should I?
Schmooze, that's a Yiddish word, didja know that? You shouldn't believe Greg or me. You should look at the evidence and believe the truth. It just so happens that I'm telling the truth. ;)

I already answered the antisemtic question....The Zionist Khazar is no more semetic then you or I.They are nothing but converted Slavs/Mongols..Converted to judaism instead of Islam or Christianity.
Who cares? The point is, if you continue to believe a lie based upon a another lie, this lie in particular, even when the truth is pointed out to you, you are either antisemitic or without intelligence. Forrest Gump put it rather well. Stupid is as stupid does. Don't be stupid.

I really don't think I am gullable..
That's the motto they recite at Gullible Anonymous meetings. They make you raise your right hand, and place your left hand on a copy of The Protocols, and then you say that.

I look at the left and the right then try to figure out what is down the middle to get the truth.
That's your problem right there. The truth is what it is. It might be in the middle, it might not be. Don't expect the truth to be anywhere, but look for it everywhere. In the case of The Protocols, the truth lies elsewhere.

Again if the they are fake or forged why is it they are coming true more and more every day?
Because the more things change, the more they stay the same. They aren't coming true more and more, they have always been true, and they always will. I don't mean The Protocols are coming true, by any stretch, but that the coincidences and parallels are, and always have been true, of the Zions, of the Jews, of the Chinese, of Microsoft, of Alexander the Great, of anyone who wants or has power and control on any level. If the Jews don't have control of the media, someone else will, and they'll fit The Protocols, too. If you want to the Jews to fit, viola! they fit. It's that simple. And it's that meaningless.

And actually I didn't even know about till about 6 months ago ..I just stumbled into them on the net..
The Internet is a magnet for wackos, lies and misinformation. And it's not just about this stuff, either. You would not believe how much anecdotal evidence is passed off as empirical evidence in the Internet. There's a whole boatload of stuff I know little or nothing about, but I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone on the details of the physical layout and burning of a CD, and in the details of how wet cell, hybrid and deep cycle batteries work. Most of the Web sites that detail what happens with a CD is just plain wrong, and don't get me started on batteries, as almost everything out there is either wrong or misleading, yet all of it is passed off as stone-cold fact. But people read it on the Internet and they believe it.

Good rule of thumb is don't believe anything you read on the Internet at first. And just because you can find it in a bazillion other places on the net with Google doesn't make it any more true. The Internet is the funny papers. There is a lot of really good, accurate information to be found on the Internet, but the key to it all is being able to separate out the loonies from the toonies.

Did have some knowledge of the Kosher Tax scam/shakedown.
Please don't. Just don't. The Kosher Tax scam is a scam on those who believe the Kosher Tax is a scam. I spent 16 years in the foodservice industry, and was brutally trained by a classic French chef that makes that chick chef in "Ratatouille" look like a little baby. If you even new what the certification was all about and how much (or, rather, how little) it adds to the cost of foods you'd laugh at your gullibility on this issue.

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Controll our politics....I proved that with the Clinton Appointments[.....]and remember they are 3 percent of the population..I thought the USA Government was by and for the people.Not just for 3 percent of the population..I can post how many with Dual Citizenship....
Jews have always be drawn to (or excel at, whichever you prefer) politics, the law, medicine, merchandising, money. They gravitate towards these things, and many are pushed in that direction by their parents. It's cultural. Asians excel at math and science in the US. Why? They make up a very small percentage of the population, but have a stupendous majority of the science and technology jobs here and abroad. What does that mean? Is there some super sekrit Asian manifesto entitled "Control the Sciences, Control the World" floating around out there just under the radar in the shadows? Indians dominate the hospitality industry, Koreans control the nail salon industry, and they are even less of a percentage. The adult entertainment industry is utterly dominated by blue-eyed blonds named Tonya. Blacks make up 20% of the population, yet they are 90% of the Final Four. Why?

What more proof does any one need to awaking to fact that a certain group has taken over like George Washington and in my opinion a prophet Ben Franklin quoted and believed?
Well then, you'll love this. You've read all this stuff, and applied it today and to your own experiences and observations, which leads you to believe what you have read. You've formulated a theory and have found evidence, or at least what appears to be evidence, or at least what you'll use as evidence, to support the theory. Here's a quote from ol' Ben himself that discusses this very thing, almost as if it was written today just for this post. Read it carefully.

"The art of concluding from experience and observation consists in evaluating probabilities, in estimating if they are high or numerous enough to constitute proof. This type of calculation is more complicated and more difficult than one might think. It demands a great sagacity generally above the power of common people. The success of charlatans, sorcerors, and alchemists—and all those who abuse public credulity—is founded on errors in this type of calculation." Benjamin Franklin, 1784

He's talking about you. He talks of evaluating probabilities to try and figure out if a probability or a set of probabilities is high enough, or if there are enough of them, to equal proof of something. Circumstantial evidence, as in the case of Jews controlling the media, must be evaluated as to the probability that they are doing so as part of the master plan to control the world. They are most definitely in control of a large percentage of the media, of that there is no doubt, but other than that, what, exactly, does it tell us, without us making other assumptions? And what if the assumptions are wrong, and we base our conclusions on those wrong assumptions?

And about when did they really get complete media control? The last 40 years?
You think they have "complete" media control? Control of all of the media, of all the the flow of information, of the Internet, of YouTube? Of me, of you? They aren't even close.

And don't tell me why don't you leave..Why should I leave? Id rather fight the invading parasites off.
Invading parasites? Did you know that until someone, somewhere, decided to tell the faithful followers to quit eating pork, that people were dying all over the place from trichinosis, caused by the parasite Trichinella spiralis? It's very rare today and is not found in any commercial pork. Some people still think you can get trichinosis from eating undercooked pork, though. Silly. (That's a classic example of a parable.)

No friend I give you the benifit of the doubt you were not trying to insult me...well at least not like Greg does anyway
Not trying to insult you at all. Just trying to beat you over the head with the truth and maybe a little common sense. :)
 

Moot

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In Goedsche's novel (you do understand that a novel is fiction, right?)

Well Mr. Turtle if that is true how do you explain Hobbits?

Animosity (hatred) toward a group of people whether it be Zionists, homosexuals, cargo vanners or lefties tends to coincide with economic down turns. It is human nature to seek out a person or group of persons to blame for our own troubles and failures. 1930's Germany is a textbook example.

Examining the demographic characteristics of the average patron of some of this nonsense goes a long way toward explaining the allure of the dogma they wish to believe and disseminate. I personally wish a few of these people would take up an anti-dissemination cause. Are you with me on this one Beemer?

Not trying to insult you at all. Just trying to beat you over the head with the truth and maybe a little common sense. :)

Ah Turtle, you truly are knowledgeable about BATTERY.


I would like to conclude by saying Ban The Van. 90% of the vans used in expediting are of Dutch ownership. Won't be long before they dominate the truck market. Wooden shoes, how gay is that. Hail to the Heater from Van Meter.
 
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If? Did you say IF? There's no IF. They WERE made up. They're a stone-cold fabrication stolen from an earlier literary work. I don't know how I can make it any plainer than that, and you really can't proceed any further with anything until you can grasp that one..simple..fact.

By your theory they are made up....So if they were written when you said were by others well the zionist copied the have done a excellent job with them

Joly It that blatant enough for you? I could go on and on with example after example of bald-face plagiarisms. The Protocols were made up, invented from a couple of plots stolen from earlier works, not to mention the entire outline, structure and many of the same ideas and phrases were copied nearly word for word. This is not some fingers-in-my-ears "la-la-la" denial or some wishful thinking, this is absolutely 100% verifiable and provable. It is irrefutable, undeniable, unquestionable.

The Protocols
were made up by some antisemitic aѕѕhole to use as a weapon of his hatred for Jews, plain and simple, and those who are antisemitic today ignore the lies (and the truth) and continue to use it as a tool of hate, ignorance and delusion.


However, as an intellectual exercise, one can look for parallels, correlations and coincidences between things that are happening today and The Protocols. That's all it is, though, an intellectual exercise. The thing is, if you think the Jews are a part of some grand conspiracy, then anything and everything that even remotely resembles any part of the conspiracy will validate your beliefs. Not only that, you never examine the "evidence" with any skepticism, and instead accept it at face value, for if you apply skepticism and doubt and put it to the test then it might no longer support your theory. And we just can't have any of that.



The Protocols can be slightly edited, same as they were for the Jews, and apply them to nearly any period in history. The Ancient Greeks, the Roman Empire, certainly the British Colonial Period. You can apply them very neatly to the Chinese government right now. The Protocols is all about controlling people, and anyone who wants to, or does, fits The Protocols.


The Internet, actually, makes a case-closed argument about Jewish control of the media. Yes, Jews make up a large percentage of people in power and controlling positions of the media. But that doesn't mean anything. You might THINK it does, but it doesn't.

For Gods sake how on earth can you possibley it doesn't? Whith your brain power I have observed how much of schmuck do you think I am?..Don't forget the goverment by and for the people...they are 3 percent of our population why so many in Dumya's, Bubber's congess senate and so far Obongo cabinets? A lot more the 3 percent espicially in Bubbers and Dumyas

Not that I'm giving it one ounce of credibility, but The Protocols (Dialogue in Hell more specifically) talks about controlling the press and the flow of information, not about "the media". "The media" is a term that didn't even exist when any of these works were written. It was the press, and it was word of mouth, that was it.

But, for argument's sake and the intellectual exercise, what does "control of the media" actually mean? Does it mean controlling a large part of the media, or does it mean all of it? It's hard to have complete and total domination with something as pesky as the Internet running wild. Just ask the Chinese government, where they censor the Internet so severely that you wouldn't even recognize it. They even censored the media during the Olympics.

No one will argue the Chinese censor and control as much as they can as much can. Just like the US and western countries do to theirs..And who controls them???Read above about the cabinet positions congress and senate

Do the Jews control the media, or do they merely influence that part of the media they do control? Or are they just in it for the money? Jews have certainly never avoided collecting coin of the realm, that's for sure. There are two plausible possibilities (well, more than just two, but let's keep it simple) for Jews to be in positions of power in the media. But first, do keep in mind that Jews are rarely in a controlling position of the small market media, like hometown newspapers, etc. They go where the big markets are, there the money is. So, the possibilities are that they are in it for the money, or they are in it to control it as a part of world domination.

The Lorain Journal the Chronicle Telegram the Cleveland Plain Dealer all owned by you know who..

Since The Protocols are, in fact, a total fabrication from the mind of an antisemitic fool, and there is no compelling hard evidence whatsoever of a grand conspiracy of Zionist domination, then one simply cannot intelligently conclude that they are trying to control the media in order to control the world. All other pleas about Federal Reserve Banks and the like fall into the same category, actually, as the reasonings behind all of it is all conjecture, supposition, pure belief and circumstantial. And once The Protocols crumble under irrefutable evidence of fraud, every claim based on The Protocols is bogus and likewise crumbles away to dust.

I think they're in it for the money. They have a history of money (the diamond trade), but they don't have a history of domination, of the world or of anything else, except, of course, the domination of money.

HOw about any commodity,diamond , gold, sugar, conagra etc...ANd why have they gotten kicked out of so many countries the last two thousand years...Might have something do with unfair,unscrubleous lending........after 2000 years you would figure they would chage by now..dats duh vey:rolleyes:

Schmooze, that's a Yiddish word, didja know that? You shouldn't believe Greg or me. You should look at the evidence and believe the truth. It just so happens that I'm telling the truth. ;)

Yes sir, I have looked at who and what they are and it discust me as much as other jews I have talked to.. My baseball buddy is a jew and even I would never say anything derogatory about him or his family except he is putz

Who cares? The point is, if you continue to believe a lie based upon a another lie, this lie in particular, even when the truth is pointed out to you, you are either antisemitic or without intelligence. Forrest Gump put it rather well. Stupid is as stupid does. Don't be stupid.

That's the motto they recite at Gullible Anonymous meetings. They make you raise your right hand, and place your left hand on a copy of The Protocols, and then you say that.

No doubt and people who believe that in bible it says the goyim should follow the khazars in everything they do and that the Mongol/Khazar is God's chose people should sit in the front row of the meetings

That's your problem right there. The truth is what it is. It might be in the middle, it might not be. Don't expect the truth to be anywhere, but look for it everywhere. In the case of The Protocols, the truth lies elsewhere.

Because the more things change, the more they stay the same. They aren't coming true more and more, they have always been true, and they always will. I don't mean The Protocols are coming true, by any stretch, but that the coincidences and parallels are, and always have been true, of the Zions, of the Jews, of the Chinese, of Microsoft, of Alexander the Great, of anyone who wants or has power and control on any level. If the Jews don't have control of the media, someone else will, and they'll fit The Protocols, too. If you want to the Jews to fit, viola! they fit. It's that simple. And it's that meaningless.

I believe if you look at old newspapers before the jews really took control you will see it is different..Meaning the ones before the 60s

The Internet is a magnet for wackos, lies and misinformation. And it's not just about this stuff, either. You would not believe how much anecdotal evidence is passed off as empirical evidence in the Internet. There's a whole boatload of stuff I know little or nothing about, but I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone on the details of the physical layout and burning of a CD, and in the details of how wet cell, hybrid and deep cycle batteries work. Most of the Web sites that detail what happens with a CD is just plain wrong, and don't get me started on batteries, as almost everything out there is either wrong or misleading, yet all of it is passed off as stone-cold fact. But people read it on the Internet and they believe it.

So what your saying is anyone who doesn't follow the kahzarr Christain beliefs is a wacko? Someone who questions the kosher tax is a wacko? What are tryig to say here?

Good rule of thumb is don't believe anything you read on the Internet at first. And just because you can find it in a bazillion other places on the net with Google doesn't make it any more true. The Internet is the funny papers. There is a lot of really good, accurate information to be found on the Internet, but the key to it all is being able to separate out the loonies from the toonies.

No doubt I don't believe to much the zionist controlled media tells me eather...Its hard to fathom anyone else does in this day and age....Really thinking they are getting fair and balanced reporting

Please don't. Just don't. The Kosher Tax scam is a scam on those who believe the Kosher Tax is a scam. I spent 16 years in the foodservice industry, and was brutally trained by a classic French chef that makes that chick chef in "Ratatouille" look like a little baby. If you even new what the certification was all about and how much (or, rather, how little) it adds to the cost of foods you'd laugh at your gullibility on this issue.

If the Kosher tax is not a shakedown or scam it should not add any cost at all period..Thats it none.. I could care less if the bottle of bleach I buy is kosher...Why does a bottle of bleach have to be kosher? JUST ANSWDER THAT ONE. That is scam pure and simple..If it was so nessary to be kosher you would think those gratefull people whose home land gets 6 million of our tax dollars per week, three hundred twelve million a year (let alone the other scams) would give their blessing (?) for free..And over a lifetime it does add up...When they look down their noses at goyim like us and see people defending their special taxes on top of the other rip offs and scams...they think (We really got the putzez now).How gullable they let us get away it.
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Jews have always be drawn to (or excel at, whichever you prefer) politics, the law, medicine, merchandising, money. They gravitate towards these things, and many are pushed in that direction by their parents. It's cultural. Asians excel at math and science in the US. Why? They make up a very small percentage of the population, but have a stupendous majority of the science and technology jobs here and abroad. What does that mean? Is there some super sekrit Asian manifesto entitled "Control the Sciences, Control the World" floating around out there just under the radar in the shadows? Indians dominate the hospitality industry, Koreans control the nail salon industry, and they are even less of a percentage.
The adult entertainment industry is utterly dominated by blue-eyed blonds named Tonya.
(Actually no it dominated by the pretend jewish kahzar
Blacks make up 20% of the population, yet they are 90% of the Final Four. Why?
Why is hockey all white???

Well then, you'll love this. You've read all this stuff, and applied it today and to your own experiences and observations, which leads you to believe what you have read. You've formulated a theory and have found evidence, or at least what appears to be evidence, or at least what you'll use as evidence, to support the theory. Here's a quote from ol' Ben himself that discusses this very thing, almost as if it was written today just for this post. Read it carefully.

"The art of concluding from experience and observation consists in evaluating probabilities, in estimating if they are high or numerous enough to constitute proof. This type of calculation is more complicated and more difficult than one might think. It demands a great sagacity generally above the power of common people. The success of charlatans, sorcerors, and alchemists—and all those who abuse public credulity—is founded on errors in this type of calculation." Benjamin Franklin, 1784

This was by Franklin too..
"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

"For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, they call Palestine. But, Gentlemen, should the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

"If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

"If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them sustenance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, Gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, Gentlemen, are Asiatics; let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots.

"Jews are Asiatics, they are a menace to this country if permitted entrance and should be excluded by this Constitution."

Over two hundred he saw what would happen..Study reflect, study reflect...WOW he was right.


He's talking about you. He talks of evaluating probabilities to try and figure out if a probability or a set of probabilities is high enough, or if there are enough of them, to equal proof of something. Circumstantial evidence, as in the case of Jews controlling the media, must be evaluated as to the probability that they are doing so as part of the master plan to control the world. They are most definitely in control of a large percentage of the media, of that there is no doubt, but other than that, what, exactly, does it tell us, without us making other assumptions? And what if the assumptions are wrong, and we base our conclusions on those wrong assumptions?

You think they have "complete" media control? Control of all of the media, of all the the flow of information, of the Internet, of YouTube? Of me, of you? They aren't even close.

Invading parasites? Did you know that until someone, somewhere, decided to tell the faithful followers to quit eating pork, that people were dying all over the place from trichinosis, caused by the parasite Trichinella spiralis? It's very rare today and is not found in any commercial pork. Some people still think you can get trichinosis from eating undercooked pork, though. Silly. (That's a classic example of a parable.)

Not trying to insult you at all. Just trying to beat you over the head with the truth and maybe a little common sense. :)

I still wonder why on earth people are gullable to believe all the khazar/mongol guilt trips. Why do they defend a race that claims to be another? Why do they believe if you stand up and say something agaisnt the scams and other things they ( the khazar) pulls its anti semitic? The kazar mongol isn't even semitic. Look at a Palasteinian they are semitics does the khazar/mongol have any resemblance to them? Don't see much... At least get the anti semitc part right...People who believe the semitic Arabs should be penned up, killed, blah blah are Anti Semitic... I am anti khazar.
 

Turtle

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I still wonder why on earth people are gullable to believe all the khazar/mongol guilt trips.
People are gullible for a plethora of reasons, there is a need by most people to be led, and most will blindly follow, ignorance, hate, deflecting blame of their own situation onto others, educational and economic demographics, lots of reasons. Lots. Very few people actually buy into the Khazar/Mongol guilt trips, by the way. Those who do are looking to deflect blame onto others to make themselves feel better, mainly, because they want some or all of the power they think others have.

Why do they defend a race that claims to be another?
They don't. Some people believe they do, for many of the same reasons they are gullible in the first place, but they don't. Here's a newsflash, and it's not from the Jewish controlled media - Jew isn't a race.

Why do they believe if you stand up and say something agaisnt the scams and other things they ( the khazar) pulls its anti semitic?
Because the scams themselves are usually made up to begin with, and do not exit in the first place. Also, most who "stand up and say something against" it are, absolutely, antisemitic, but merely redefine the definition of a Jew to be something that is not a Jew in order to absolve themselves of being antisemitic. "I don't hate Jews, I love Jews, I hate Khazars." That's about as lame as it's gonna get, my friend. The Khazars ceased to be any semblance of a distinct people a long, long time ago.

The kazar mongol isn't even semitic. Look at a Palasteinian they are semitics does the khazar/mongol have any resemblance to them? Don't see much... At least get the anti semitc part right...People who believe the semitic Arabs should be penned up, killed, blah blah are Anti Semitic... I am anti khazar.
You can't selectively apply the definition of semitic, or of what a Semite is. If you are anti-Palestinian, are you then therefore Anti Semitic? No, of course not. The Khazars were a nomadic people that existed between the 7th and 10th centuries, and no longer exist. Being anti Khazar means very little today, sorry.

Etymologically, to be semitic means you originate from the peoples who were or are Jews, Arabs, Phoenicians, and others, yes, but, antisemitic means, exclusively, a hostility or hatred towards Jews. All things Jew and various Jewiness are defined, by some people, to be Khazars (or some other nifty label), but that doesn't make the meaning behind Khazars to be something other than Jewish. They cloak their antisemitism in the guise of "anti-Khazar" in order to put a pretty face forward to the world. The problem is, the world ain't stupid. Jew isn't even a race, it's a religion. Khazars weren't even a distinct race. The Mongols are, though, so I suppose the next time you see a Mexican or an American Indian, feel free to hate at will, I guess.

The problem you are suddenly having is that the foundation that supported your ignorance and hatred has crumbled away and you are desperately seeking "if this, then that" validation. You stumbled upon The Protocols, one of the most well-known literary hoaxes in history (other than perhaps the Bible, but that's for anther thread :) ) and it validated, absolutely, what you already believed, and thus you embraced it wholeheartedly and without question (hey! just like a Muslim!). Now its validity has vanished, and you are once again looking for validation for your beliefs. You aren't likely to find it here. Honestly, you aren't likely to find it anywhere, at least insofar as any truth is concerned. And whenever the truth defies belief, the belief must be abandoned in favor of the truth. To do otherwise is to delude.

Take a close look at what you are afraid of and of what you hate in all this mess and you'll see that it's all about power, and of controlling the people in order to keep that power. Nothing more, nothing less. Always has been, always will be. It doesn't matter if it's the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Communists, the list goes on and on, it doesn't matter. If you take control of the media away from the Jews, I promise you someone else will take control of the media, and The Protocols will be rewritten so that we can have someone else to make up a world domination plan about.

Keep in mind that The Protocols in its first iteration was all about Napoleon and his lust for power, and it equally applies to anyone or any group that is in the same position of lusting for power. So keep on about Khazars, knowing that it's meaningless, if you like. It doesn't matter.

But, let's say that it's all true. What 'ya gonna do about it? Gotta be very careful there. And since none of it is true, you gotta be really, really extra very careful.
 

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I do want to add these final personal thoughts and views to this mess. Hopefully it'll be coherent.

Stereotypes are, in large part, based on a truth. "Don't stereotype people!" is something often said. Well, there's a reason that the stereotype exists, and its because it is based in truth, by and large, albeit often with a very small minority within the stereotype. No, not all white men can't jump, some can, but most certainly can't. Not all bankers and lawyers are Jews, but enough of them are as a visible percentage of the others to make it a stereotype. They may not even be a majority percentage, only a perceived majority percentage, which is actually upon what most stereotypes are based.

Not all of the press is controlled by Jews, but it fits the stereotype. Blacks and their fried chicken and watermelon. Canadians are obsessed with beer and end every sentence with, "eh." Every one of them has a RCMP uniform, or at least the hat, but they usually wear the toque. Americans are fat, loud and obnoxious. Asians are good at math and science. Mexicans are hard workers. Poles are stupid. The Irish are drunks. The Scottish wear kilts, play bagpipes, eat haggis all while playing golf. Germans are serious, mechanical, bureaucratic, and have no sense of humor, even though once I had a German say to me, "Vee have vays to make you laff." Blacks are hung like a horse, whites, more like squirrels.

Stereotyping enables people to even understand the following joke:

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the engineers are German, the administrators are Swiss and the lovers are Italian.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are British, the engineers are Italian, the administrators are French and the lovers are Swiss.

Stereotypes exist as a way to point out the differences between groups. They exist on the most simplistic of levels, the reason being the lack of personal, absolute familiarity an individual has with others of a particular group. This lack of familiarity encourages the lumping together people within a group. Obviously, not all stereotypes fit all people within the stereotype, but usually enough of them do to add validity to the stereotype. The main thing is, however, that just because the stereotype is true and that some people fit it, does not mean that all within the stereotype will, or are supposed to, fit within it.

Stereotypes are, by definition, always a false generalization, merely by the fact that not everyone covered by a particular stereotype fits with that stereotype. Not all tall black men play basketball, some play chess instead. So the stereotype that all blacks play basketball, not to mention that they are all good at it, is a false generalization.

The real problems begin when you start combining stereotypes into new ones, and combining false generalizations, especially when they are based on erroneous information to begin with. What you now have is a stereotype that is based on multiple factors, seemingly lending credence to a factual conclusion, but all you have is merely what is known as an illusory correlation. An illusory correlation is when you go looking for a particular relationship in something, and by golly you're gonna see it, even if the relationship isn't evident at all in the data.

People often mistakenly assume things are correlated when they are not. This is especially true when the things that seem correlated are rare and therefore stand out more clearly, and because they stand out more clearly, we remember them easier, and can correlated them easier. How many times does a baseball player make a fantastic defensive play to end the inning, only to be first at bat in the next inning? Happens all the time, right? Well, no, not really. It's a rare occurence in reality, but it stands out and we remember it. We rarely remember when someone makes a remarkable play to end the inning, and then not even bat in the next inning. You forget your pencil only when there is a test. That's one of the more famous illusory correlations. One has nothing to do with the other. Some people swear that their knee or wrist or some other body part hurts only when it's gonna rain, an illusory correlation, to be sure, because whenever these people are studied along with meterological measurements it always turns out there there is no compelling statistical correlation between joint pain and the weather.

Many people don't like those who have more than they do, who have more power than they do, who beat 'em to the punch or are smarter than they are. Jews are smarter about money than most (a stereotype, and an admitted possible illusory correlation), not because of some master plan, but because they as a culture are more aware and educated about money. They concentrate on it. Same with the other areas that are stereotypically Jewish, like law, medicine, merchandise peddling, business in general, for the most part. They excel in these areas, and some people are jealous of it, either because they want what these Jews have, or because they are mad that the Jews thought of it first and beat them to it, or because they failed to educate themselves whereas the Jews did not.

But, do they really and truly actually excel at these things, or do we notice it more when we see a Jewish deli owner and then perpetuate the stereotype, while not taking note at all when we visit a deli that is not owned by a Jew? It is that right there, in reality, which happens most.

There are areas that Jews most definitely do not excel at. What good is controlling the press if it can all be taken away from you in a single day by an army that you do not control? That one argument right there is what completely blows apart the whole notion of a master plan to take over the world by Jews, Zionists, or whatever you choose to call them. Yeah, there's a lot of "Jeweyness" going on, and it stands out when you see it. But because it stands out so blatantly, what does that say about it? Are the Jews to be first at bat the next inning, or are they merely On Deck? Gimme a bagel and lox, please.

Since the beginning of civilization, and quite likely prior to that, there are certain things that must be accomplished in order to gain power and control of the people. The control of information, of finances, keeping people distracted and occupied, the list goes on and on, but it is well documented throughout history. Joly knew all of this when he applied it to Napoleon, as Napoleon was trying to gain power the only way you can, in textbook fashion, by the tried and true numbers, the basic, essential steps one must follow. These are the same steps that people mistakenly correlate to the Jews and a (quite literally) mythical master plan for world domination. They see a correlation, but it is an illusionary correlation, and when you combine that with the various Jewish stereotypes, there ya go.

Fear of a stereotype that is based on an illusory correlation can be a powerful thing. It gets into your head, alters your thinking, makes you do and say foolish things. The only defense is to arm yourself with knowledge of the truth, but be wary that you do not arm yourself with the knowledge of illusory correlation based upon something as flimsy as a stereotype that is all wrapped up neat and pretty with a bow and everything and presented as the truth, though. That'll get ya into trouble all over again.

Occam's Razor, paraphrased, states that all things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best, and the most accurate. In other words, when multiple competing ideas or theories are equal in other respects, you should select the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and suggests the fewest entities. That there is a secret plot of the Jews to dominate the world is one that makes an awful lot of assumptions, many of which are based upon illusory correlations, and introduces a snotload of entities, many of them falsified for the express purpose of validating the illusory correlations and other unsubstantiated assumptions. Man, that's just all kinds of complicated.

The simpler explanation is that there is no secret plan for world domination and that any notion of such a plan comes from ignorance, hate, antisemitism, fear and jealousy, all based on the illusory correlation of stereotypes. History, as well as current events, actually, lends far more credibility to the latter rather than the former, far more complicated theory.

I thank those who took the time to read this. I hope I haven't wasted it.
 

theBeemer

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People are gullible for a plethora of reasons, there is a need by most people to be led, and most will blindly follow, ignorance, hate, deflecting blame of their own situation onto others, educational and economic demographics, lots of reasons. Lots. Very few people actually buy into the Khazar/Mongol guilt trips, by the way. Those who do are looking to deflect blame onto others to make themselves feel better, mainly, because they want some or all of the power they think others have.

Nothing personal my friend but you have bought into it quite well..Look at how you defend every thing this bunch has done..Even quite good at given us a good line on their special blessing tax..Like I need it on a bottle of bleach. All that's right they have been forced to wonder around the world and scam and scam

They don't. Some people believe they do, for many of the same reasons they are gullible in the first place, but they don't. Here's a newsflash, and it's not from the Jewish controlled media - Jew isn't a race.

Newsflash why are they making it to be?

Because the scams themselves are usually made up to begin with, and do not exit in the first place. Also, most who "stand up and say something against" it are, absolutely, antisemitic, but merely redefine the definition of a Jew to be something that is not a Jew in order to absolve themselves of being antisemitic. "I don't hate Jews, I love Jews, I hate Khazar's." That's about as lame as it's gonna get, my friend. The Khazars ceased to be any semblance of a distinct people a long, long time ago.

Just because a person is not afraid to stand up to these schuckters why do they get a label? For that being anyone who says anything against Kwame,Jackson, Sharpton is anti Black...Or is it they don't count?.With this line of logic you say anything about these hucksters you are a racesit and biggit. So don't put in anything about them. And if you look at pictures of the true Isrealies the actual semitic ones their is a big difference between them and Khazar..I never did say I don't hate or love. I have a baseball buddy who is jew and just as discusted with this bunch as the rest of us should be

You can't selectively apply the definition of semitic, or of what a Semite is. If you are anti-Palestinian, are you then therefore Anti Semitic? No, of course not. The Khazars were a nomadic people that existed between the 7th and 10th centuries, and no longer exist. Being anti Khazar means very little today, sorry.

If you read above you'll see they are quite alive and well.. By the way their old homeland areas (Georgia) Israel and US are quite active in so don't try to pull that one.As a matter of fact the queen of the republican quite bluntly said we will attack Russia if need be for them..Not like we are doing anything for expansion around the world :rolleyes: (

Etymologically, to be semitic means you originate from the peoples who were or are Jews, Arabs, Phoenicians, and others, yes, but, antisemitic means, exclusively, a hostility or hatred towards Jews. All things Jew and various Jewiness are defined, by some people, to be Khazars (or some other nifty label), but that doesn't make the meaning behind Khazars to be something other than Jewish. They cloak their antisemitism in the guise of "anti-Khazar" in order to put a pretty face forward to the world. The problem is, the world ain't stupid. Jew isn't even a race, it's a religion. Khazars weren't even a distinct race. The Mongols are, though, so I suppose the next time you see a Mexican or an American Indian, feel free to hate at will, I guess.

Again they are not semitic and try to feed their guilt and scams to the unknowing..Mostly Bible folk who think they actually are the jews God described in their bibles. If jews were not a race then their would be NO such thing as anti semitic. And you are quite right they are nothing but Slavic/Mongol trying to portray themselves as Semitics which no matter how much you throw a cover over it underneath it doesn't change period. They are no more jewsih/semitic then you are or I Period. Matter of fact lets convert like them instead of fighting each other we can get in on them scams and make some ourselves. Dat vould be da vey :rolleyes:

The problem you are suddenly having is that the foundation that supported your ignorance and hatred has crumbled away and you are desperately seeking "if this, then that" validation. You stumbled upon The Protocols, one of the most well-known literary hoaxes in history (other than perhaps the Bible, but that's for anther thread :) ) and it validated, absolutely, what you already believed, and thus you embraced it wholeheartedly and without question (hey! just like a Muslim!). Now its validity has vanished, and you are once again looking for validation for your beliefs. You aren't likely to find it here. Honestly, you aren't likely to find it anywhere, at least insofar as any truth is concerned. And whenever the truth defies belief, the belief must be abandoned in favor of the truth. To do otherwise is to delude.

I have found the truth its not hard..Open your eyes and look around..Go back to the simple (?) Kosher tax scam and why on earth would you or anyone else believe we should have to pay for a blessing of a bleach bottle is beyond me. Now think about this scam what else is going on that we don't know..How many here even knew that they were getting ripped offed and fleeced by the these con artists until I posted it?

Take a close look at what you are afraid of and of what you hate in all this mess and you'll see that it's all about power, and of controlling the people in order to keep that power. Nothing more, nothing less. Always has been, always will be. It doesn't matter if it's the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Communists, the list goes on and on, it doesn't matter. If you take control of the media away from the Jews, I promise you someone else will take control of the media, and The Protocols will be rewritten so that we can have someone else to make up a world domination plan about.

What am I afraid of? I am afraid of my country being destroyed from with it. This bunch has done quite a good job of..feminist. Porn, Smut on Television,ever possible thing you Christan folks are against you do some back ground checking and you will find this bunch behind it..Plain and Simple. I will start posting who is behind it.The names and why and you or other can not try to cover the truth up. I look at the last 45 years,,especially 25 years when this bunch really sunk their fangs into my government and the media of my country (all media) not just the news and it scares me how far we have gone down as a society

Keep in mind that The Protocols in its first iteration was all about Napoleon and his lust for power, and it equally applies to anyone or any group that is in the same position of lusting for power. So keep on about Khazars, knowing that it's meaningless, if you like. It doesn't matter.

Who is to say the khazars didn't copy them then? Just like so many other things this bunch is so fond of stealing? If the shoe fits make them wear it.

But, let's say that it's all true. What 'ya gonna do about it? Gotta be very careful there. And since none of it is true, you gotta be really, really extra very careful.

Ok it is true, what am I going to do. I will keep mentioning it to everyone I see. Hopefully the lightbulbs go off in their heads to. At least for their children's sake to stop bunch from completely squandering my country. Not true? Why one earth do I get charged a Kosher tax for bleach or trash bags..Where does that tax money go?...Yea very minimal ok right :rolleyes: multiply by millions of consumers it adds up to quite a bit don't kid youself or anyone else about that. Are they not happy with all the tax dollars going over to the country that sells USA military secrets to highest bidder?
 

OntarioVanMan

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In Regards to Palin charging rape victims for exams.....

As per usual, one need merely read the story--a skill that eludes liberals--to learn the truth.

Palin...

"In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victims' insurance company when possible..."

All Wasilla did was have the insurance companies pick up the tab instead of the city. I'd think any liberal with the neural amperage of an ant, and who supports the Illinois senator who voted to force insurance companies to pay for injuries incurred by drunk drivers when the drunks have an accident, would find this to be an acceptable course of action. The article does not say or suggest that rape victims without insurance were forced to personally bear the cost of the exam. For that we must rely on the hate-filled fantasies of the liberal mind set.
 

theBeemer

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In Regards to Palin charging rape victims for exams.....

As per usual, one need merely read the story--a skill that eludes liberals--to learn the truth.

Palin...

"In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victims' insurance company when possible..."

All Wasilla did was have the insurance companies pick up the tab instead of the city. I'd think any liberal with the neural amperage of an ant, and who supports the Illinois senator who voted to force insurance companies to pay for injuries incurred by drunk drivers when the drunks have an accident, would find this to be an acceptable course of action. The article does not say or suggest that rape victims without insurance were forced to personally bear the cost of the exam. For that we must rely on the hate-filled fantasies of the liberal mind set.


There is no doubt you have to read ALL of it liberal or conservative and try to go down the middle..Limbaugh is almost bad as that idiot Franken.


Neather right nor left just radical as all get it out
 
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