mcCain tries to get the hispanic vote.

[greg334]

23% on the parts to fix my truck and the labor (no u) ? 23% to have a guy come in and fix the diswasher parts and labor?

Greg....my business thanks to a great book keeper has never shown a profit yet so no estimate tax payment is necessary...so I have my money up front so to speak....

so a $1,000 repair for parts would be $230 tax and then say $1,000 for labor another $230...$460 tax??? thats don't float my boat....

Yea but OVM you got to think about it a different way. It all looks really great that you run your business like that but a large number of people have withholding and quarterly taxes. If the money you generate comes directly to you without those things, imagine what can be done with it. You can in fact control most of your spending and not have a great impact in comparison to what we have now. Not only that, we haven't even talked about the cost of preparing for tax time.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

McCain is running on THIS as his wing and a prayer.

Since he has not much more the his miltary record from Viet Nam,which obviously has been acknowledged 5 tillion times,he has been a weak politician and has taken handouts from Corpoarte bagmen for ions.

For someone who can point out McCainiac's shallow record, you sure as hell ignore the shallowness of Obamashamadingdong's "change and bliss" campaign. You're someone who isn't ignorant, Cal... just someone who knows the truth, and refuses to acknowledge it. IMO, that's worse than ignorance.

 

[Moot]

Moot- Whats not the truth? That americans can't afford health insurance? That american families are finding it hard to make it? !

I quoted you form your post #9. I see since then you have changed "average family" to american (sic) families are finding it hard to make it? I also see you added the ?, question mark. American families kinda covers it all. I am not sure how to respond to something I don't understand. It would appear it is also something you don't understand.

I consider myself to be an average American with an average annual pre-tax gross family income. I have been accused on this forum of being rich because I benefited from some of those George Bush tax breaks for wealthy Americans.

I suspect my accuser of having a much larger pre-tax gross family income than mine, but he couldn't admit to that and the potential loss of his high standing among his liberal friends. Hey TC, want to compare the past 12 years!

Anyway back to the average family. If like Leo and others pointed out that the average family can afford cable t.v., iPods, fast food several times a week and all the other "necessities"; then isn't really a matter of priorities as to whether they can afford health care?

If you have a job and pay taxes then you will be paying the bill for this FREE health care. If you are rich like some of our friends from California and have a feeling of guilt about it; then I suggest you donate some money of your own free will. Please don't expect the government to do it just to get you off the guilt hook. Take some responsibility for your wealth! Hopefully you have earned it. I know I have!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Yea but OVM you got to think about it a different way. It all looks really great that you run your business like that but a large number of people have withholding and quarterly taxes. If the money you generate comes directly to you without those things, imagine what can be done with it. You can in fact control most of your spending and not have a great impact in comparison to what we have now. Not only that, we haven't even talked about the cost of preparing for tax time.

Greg...thats all well and fine but this is the ME generation...The great American way now is to think ME and sc###w everyone else....Whats in it for me we ask?
Theres alittle simularity between what your suggesting and Canada's GST the national sales tax...on goods and services...

The people wanted to see the tax on thier reciept instead of the hidden manufacturers tax of 13%....so the government PM Mulrooney remember him Irish Eyes with Reagan? Well turns out the people don't like it because instead of just 13% on munufactured goods they made it then 7 % on goods and services. the services weren't taxed at the fed level..but now....there was a bang of a time I tell ya...people were raging.....that said....

BTW...that tax is now only 5% thanks to the huge SURPLUS in the budget!

 

[greg334]

Tallcal,

You know I do respect you and like to spar with you over some of these issues but you know I have been busy today at home helping out others and jumping in here to say a few short things here and there to break up my busy day.

While I understand where you are coming from, being one who watched the protest/love movement from my own world as a kid, absorbing things like a sponge; a lot of phrases and hatred but I learned later in life to actually have an open mind, which the people who surrounded me at that early age still have failed to realize is the way life should be.

After reading this and thinking of the times I spent in Washington and Virginia in 90 seeing congress work, I realized that you need to really look at things with an open mind because most of what you are saying is just the repeating of other’s want you to believe.

McCain is betting the farm on the so called Surge,and it's so called success.With the supreme WACK case Joe Lieberman backing him,these two old fools are so out of touch they really resemble Laurel and Hardy more then savy political types. Talk about Koolaid,these guys are drinking electric Koolaid (I'm quite sure tha'ts over your head Leo,it'a Caili thing). But you might like to try some so you can truly be on the same page as your boys.

First off I talked to some soldiers in Iraq tonight, they didn’t tell me where they were at but the one thing that they said is the feel safer than they have in a long long time. They, and I heard this before, said it is because of this surge and what it did for the operation. Amazingly they are workling with the Iraqis who are now doing a lot of the work, not the US. Amazingly they see that the Iraqis want peace and don’t blame the Americans. They also said the same thing – do not bleive the media, they are lying.

Now ask yourself this, why would different soldiers in different areas of the country tell me that things are working?

And with this, this morning I talked to my local Iraqi gas station owner who is selling his station to move his family back to Iraq. He left Iraq before we invaded and he returned there several times with this last trip to secure a home for his family. He won’t be in a green zone by the way. Here is a rational person who is educated and he feels it is time to move back to his homeland.

NOW I do however agree with you about Lieberman and do not ever forget that I don’t like McCain, but I can not bring myself to vote for a Marxist.

We are losing on every front,everyday, and killing civilians by the truck load in Afganhistan. The Taliban are all but running the country again,funded by the record Poppy crops. They own the farmers and the crops,which makes them probably a better financed force then the US Army,with recruitment at record levels. You can read all about it in your local newspaper. Oh,by the way,not to repeat myself yet again,Osama Bin Ladin continues to mock our country, 9/11 and our silly determination to "Win" in Iraq. We alreday know who has won this battle,the very people that lured us into this "war" thus turning Iraq in to a recuriting post for terrorists. Their number one recruiting post in the Islamic world.Good job w.
McCain is running on THIS as his wing and a prayer.

I don’t think you have been reading the paper or listening to the news but since the problems in Pakistan seem to be under control, their military seems to be moving to control things. The crop thing I can’t answer to but I can say on of the problems there as in other parts of the work is that they need to grow things to make money and unless the US people are willing to support the farmers in Afghanistan, they will grow what makes them money.

Since he has not much more the his miltary record from Viet Nam,which obviously has been acknowledged 5 tillion times,he has been a weak politician and has taken handouts from Corpoarte bagmen for ions. Lots of $$$$.He has recently flipped on every flop and will be running on zero crediblity after Osama returns from his oversea's visit with the strength of the remainder of the western world behind him.

I am not a big fan of his but he has been a senator and has done something in his tenure. The problem with you always bringing up big business is something I remember about Pelosi and some sweetheart deals she has made, and the same with other Democrats. Amazing that they have done the same exact thing as McCain, isn’t it?

As for Obama, I think you mean Obama, returning with all this strength, get real my man. It doesn’t matter a bit, he has not the intellect to understand foreign policy and anyone who says he will attack an ally in any war is… well an idiot and can’t be trusted. He has already been looked at as a junior and will not ‘command’ the respect we need when it comes to some of these countries.

Greg, please,we are happy you have dissmissed the rest of the world (they don't matter),as it shows your true and abiding loyalty to the guy you voted for twice,knuckle head boy.But to those a little more savi. and politicly sophisticated,we are not yet a completely isolationist nation.There's still time, as baffoon boy became a world wide joke soon enough for the rest of the world,like some of us Americans,to just get through it.Soon we can forget about bozo the baffoon. He will be re-commited to his wacky texas shrub land home.
McCain has an uphill battle unless he gets real smart real soon. Not likley.

Sorry Tallcal, the point is that the people of France, the demonstrators of Germany and the drunk Italians need our stability. We support NATO, we support the UN and we still support a large number of things through foreign aid. They can criticize us but in reality the scale is tipped in our favor. The joke of the country has been and will always be Carter, not Bush but Carter. Many who don’t buy into the US is evil idea overseas don’t like Carter for some reason and even with that, Clinton was not doing us a lot of good with his hands off approach to world affairs.

What I did find out when talking to people of foreign nationalities was no where like you have mentioned. Some are actually taken back at this attitude of hate the president, many say it is caused by losing the 2000 election while others say that the people who hate someone who was elected shows immaturity. Are you immature over this subject?

What amazes me is that you may travel all over the place but you still haven’t gotten to talk to people on the real issue of what they could not do without the United States.

You really hate the president, right?

You won’t be happy until someone comes in there that you will feel reflects YOU, right?

You want that Black man in the WH to wash your guilt away?

Why feel guilty? You made enough money under Bush, right?

I didn’t see you to an action protest and give all your assets away but again……

Oh and as one English commentator said about Bush, he may not be the best presentation the country has to offer but he is no gore.

 

[LDB]

Cal, you shouldn't be drinking that industrial strength koolaid or whatever it is. You also shouldn't believe the general media. Now, it's possible that the several members of my church who are actually in Iraq and Afghanistan serving are either ignorant of what's going on right there where they are or maybe they are liars but I believe neither of those are accurate statements. I believe when they say things are going well and the surge is working and morale of both military and civilians is good they are telling the truth. I believe them more than I believe you and FAR more than I believe mainstream (codeword for get Bush/conservatives by any means) media. One more time for anyone who missed it. McCain is a bad choice for president. Obama is a BAD choice for president.

 

[spudhead911]

When I stated "The world sees us as weak and failing" I say that to include american families. If you are fortunate enough to have medical coverage these days- then maybe you don't care about universal health coverage? But the truth is, the average family can't afford it- and lord help them if they have pre-existing health problems- they can't even get coverage! Thats wrong. They are one medical emergency away from financial ruin. And what about americans who have lost there jobs? They lost* health care too! And some have lost homes, do you think they can afford to COBRA there health benefits untill they get new coverage? I doubt it. We can do better !So if you have health care- you don't care about those who can't get it? I guess I am a liberal, I prefer humanitarian. Ask a family who sits down every payday to try and figure out what to pay- do they feel like america is not failing? They are treading water, and tired!And thats just the tip of the iceberg... I have heard on this site, under Obama we will pay more taxes.... I don't know about you but most people I know who I consider middle class- are couples who both work for a combined income of 40,000 to maybe 60,000 on the high end. They are taxed to death, especially one couple who don't own a home- but are renting to save for a home they can buy! They can take NO deductions! Thats wrong... we can do better! Show me where those middle class, that represent the average middle class in America will be hurt under Obamas tax plan. Corporations have enjoyed tax cuts for a decade now- has it helped the average worker? NO NO NO. They didn't pass that on to the average joe moe employee... they raised the contribution to health care every year, or even hired part* timers at 32 hours, or hired temps- so they didn't have to pay for coverage at all! We can do better!Hell yes I will vote for Change! It is do, or die for the American Family... do you really think we can even fund a war at the rate we are going? We can do better!

If you vote for Obama you vote for DIE. He has no experience what so ever in domestic or foreign politics. He is a first term junior senator who spent is whole first term preparing for and running for the democratic canidate for president. He has hood-winked everyone into believing he is something he is not. He has flip-floped so many times he forgets what thimgs he flip-floped on. If elected, he will drag this country down to a 3rd world nation, then give it away to whom ever wants it. He has no political track record, except voting for every anti-gun bill. He has fliped-floped on that subject so many times he doesn't know which lie to believe, except to take away gun owners rights. Vote for Obama and cripple this counrty and send us back into the dark ages. A vote for Obama is a vote to send this country to its grave.

And health care, should we adopt a health care system like Canada has? One that makes a person in need of a life saving procedure wait on a list until their name floats to the top of the list. Or can't choose their own doctor, but must go to the one selected for them by the government. If he Canadian national health care system is so good, why are Canadians coming to the U.S. to pay for medical treatment they can get for free in their own country. The answer is that by the time their name is high enough on the list to receive care they would have died. Don't believe me, ask our own Onterioman here on EO. This is the same health care system by the way that Billary Clinton wanted to model the one she had planned for us if she got elected.

Just My Opinion

 

[greg334]

NO Spud, man you got it all wrong.

If we get socialized health care we will end up with the same mess that we have with Medicare and mediciad - no choices at all, limited doctor's access and the quality of care will just plummet because now in order for a doctor to run his practice and make any money with a government program, he will have to operate really really cheaply.

Remember that a lot of Doctors only accept Medicare patients because it is about their patients not about money and if we allow the congress to go down this path of utter destruction, then these docs will drop Medicare patients completely.

Case in point -

CAPITOL HILL (AP) -- Members of Congress heading home for the July Fourth recess can expect to hear from seniors curious about why Congress allowed a 10 percent cut in fees for doctors who treat Medicare patients.

Physicians are running ads hinting patients may find doctors less willing to treat them.

Beginning tomorrow, payments will be cut for some 600,000 doctors who treat Medicare patients. That's because a formula requires fee cuts when spending exceeds established goals. Almost every year, Congress blocks the cut.

Lawmakers unwilling to face millions of angry seniors at the polls in November are expected to act quickly to reverse the cut when they return to Washington next week. They're also expected to provide retroactive payments to doctors for losses incurred after July 1st.

Doctors have complained for years that Medicare payments have failed to cover rising costs.

The program that was cut was Medicare Advantage program which allowed "the elderly and disabled choose to get their health benefits through private insurers rather than through traditional Medicare."

"Sen. Jim DeMint, a conservative Republican from South Carolina, said he backed alternative legislation to protect physician fees but couldn't support what he said was "a deliberate attempt to move Americans away from private insurers and into socialized medicine."

I will let the people who want to vote for Obama to decide. This is a democratic congress who has done this, not a republican congress. and even though the program is one of Bush's programs, there has to something to indicate the measures that the democrats are taking with moving the country towards socialized medicine.

OH and one other thing, I know most won't get this but also Doctors payments have been frozen retroactively.

 

[spudhead911]

Greg I think you mis read part of the post,

I am not for socialized health care. It won't work. Canada's plan really sucks. I can't see any plan here working. Let us have the same plan and benefits that the our senators have. better yet make them have the plan we now have, things would change pretty quick. Why should our elected officals have a better plan than the people who elected them have.

I say we need a revolution. We need to take back OUR COUNTRY. The World Bank, OIL, and Big Business now own this country. We need to take back the country our Fore Fathers envisioned when they wrote the declaration of Independence and the Constisution. This is Our Country. We fought the revolution to end terranny(spelling) The pre amble states WE THE PEOPLE. It is now we the wealthy. This country, which I will give my life for in a second, needs to rebuild itself. The House and Senate needs to be replaced with real people, not professional politicans, taking money from lobbists. Our present course is one of doom, We The People have lost Our Country, We The Rich now own it. Let's take it back. We need limits put on terms of office for the House and Senate.

We need to Join Together as one, forget parties, WE THE PEOPLE need to say enough. WE THE PEOPLE need to let those now running this country that we intend to take the country back, by force if need be, if they don't do what needs to be done. No more lies, no more tricks, listen to WE THE PEOPLE, there are more of us than them, we can take this country back. If we can get that message to them an make them believe what we say, we will be victorious. I am not an extremeist, I am fed up with elected officials doing for themselves, instead of for us. Why do you think they want our guns, we have more guns than they do. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER, let us use it. Lets make it clear to the powers to be that we have had enough. If they won't listen to reason, let them listen to gun fire. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY LET'S TAKE IT BACK. If we don't These United States will cease to exist.

JUST MY OPINION

 

[greg334]

Nope I didn't get it wrong, my point is IF we go down the path of the Soviets with socialized health care, it will be far worst than Canada's system.

I am with you on all of this.

 

[tallcal101]

I don't hate Bush,I may loth him,but there are so many other,more colorful descriptions that so highlight his many serious and humorous imperfections.It's as though God gave us the perfect storm all in one man for the politcal cartonists and punch line writers.
For liberals, hell for that matter independants and center Republicans,we could not have been more confirmed in our apprasial of the GOP going into the 2000 elections. He confirmed,in spades,all our dire warnings about putting a republican in office when it really mattered.
So,no I don't hate anybody,but I sure as hell have a great deal of interest in not putting anyone in office who says things like "we will be there for 100 years" and "I'm no financial guy" and wanting to go down any of the roads Bush went down except his willingness to fund AIDS eradication in Africa. Kudos W.

The American people would like to believe we are not degenerating into a second world nation with each month that goes by. Lets see, do we eat, drive to work or live in the car, not to mention take two Tylonol's and pray ,or see a doctor about that pesky lump.
The best case scinaro is certainly not status quo,or even a debate in congress,which we all know will be dominated by bag money recieveing GOPers to fillibuster anything that does not benefit the million $$ boys club. We are quickly degenerating into rich and poor (and a new class: the new destitutue) separation of class's in America.
You know Leo,maybe I will go out and buy a pea shooter,becuse when people can no longer afford to feed their families,thats when the real trouble starts. Take a look at history,it repeats. We have sold ourselves for a very high interest rate to The Bank of Asia. I know, 911,not an insane melt down at the top of our government is the reason,but a few of us are rather ashamed. We are let down that all our work and efforts to warn you all that our worst nightmares were going to be the result of a vote or two for backward boy. The health ,education financial stability and general state of our country has taken a terrible blow.The rich have grown fat under the tax inequities of the first Congress of this administration. Nothing was done for the people,plenty for the million $$ boys club.

So are the American people going vote for a change,a prayer that someone may be able to rise to the occation, and perhaps also control congress?We can only pray.To un do the wreckage left for the next guy (no gal this time) left by the likes of this sleazy lieing bunch, is for the people to decide. I would not bet against them,they have had enough. It's not about the press Leo,or the Koolaid,it's about empty stomachs, no place to call home and an empty gas tank.
It's a hell of a tricky road to traverse.Seventy one year olds apply at your own rick. The 18 years olds of today were 10 in 2000. They are not pleased or humored by the GOP. I'm glad your daughters and their husbands drink the same Koolaid as you Leo, but we may find that record numbers of the younger's drink another flavor.

 

[drivingmecrazy]

Good post Tallcal101 .

 

[greg334]

Tallcal,

Thanks but….

I think that the idea for voting for change needs not to start with a guy who is so far left that he makes Lenin look so far right but need to start with the idea that Congress needs the change.

It does not matter who is in the WH, really it doesn’t because both you and I know that this good ol’ boys club is not about the WH but congress, so let’s stop with the rhetoric with Bush. He has how many months left? Something like 6? So what importance is he? Stop dwelling on the past and move forward man.

The real issue is getting people to understand that we have been put into this horrible position by congress, not by the GOP or the Democrats but the whole of congress.

I point to the fact that, even though we had a republican congress, they acted like a democratic congress and what you perceive as a bunch of special things that were done for Big Business (God forbid) really has not happened. What I mean is we are not drilling, which means it would be cheaper for a company like Exxon to make more profits. We have not seen real tax relief for companies in this country, we have the highest corporate taxes in the world and every penny has been passed onto us, the consumer. We have yet to see any real finance reforms, any military reforms and every promise from impeachment of Bush to the great Pelosi gas plan has pretty much been forgotten.

You and I also know that the democrats, even your beloved Pelosi has had her hands in the business cookie jar, not one congressman or senator can claim they didn’t, so when you look at overall contributions to people in congress, the repubs may slightly lead but the dems have the real personal wealth among themselves.

Now the other thing is when you really look at McCain’s record and see what he has been doing, it looks like he is a liberal from Arizona. I was listening to the Brits make a comparison this morning and it was rather odd to hear “McCain is a democrat” position from these neutral observers. They also added that between the two, Obama has no track record at all and he has been handled pretty well. Now this is the BBC for God’s sake saying this and if you know anything, they are liberal as a news organization can get.

So I ask do you really expect change if you still have the same old, same old in congress?

As for lying, and all that…. I seem to remember a lot of covering up for Sandy Berger when he committed a serious case of espionage. He just got a slap on the hand and got his secret clearance back (or will soon). The guy should have met the same fate as McVeigh – espionage during war time is a death penalty crime. Should I go on with the sleaze from that administration?

 

[LDB]

Is there any point? Irrational Bush hatred so clouds the mind that facts and truth can't penetrate. The things Bush is truly guilty of and responsible for get no mention while all the things that lie at the feet of congress get foisted on Bush. Those capable of rational thought will mitigate damage as much as possible. Those incapable will vote Obama or third party. If only there was a way to have only the unthinking pay the cost of Obama.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Leo, it's no use trying to understand why a liberal thinks the way he does. It's like trying to understand why dogs lick each other's butts. No rationale, whatsoever.

"Hey Herbie, here it comes! And it's gonna be a BIG one too!"

 

[tallcal101]

Hey Hawk,how's it hangin? I would truly like to know how it is that such smart people ,such as your own bad self,can possibly dismiss my comments about the state of our nation ,and the adminsitration that brougt us to this dangerous tipping point.
I ventrue to say that if the Supreme Court had of been 1 vote different in deciding the Florida travisty in 2000,or the Ohio travisty in 2004,and bumble boy had not led our country down this bleak road,you would do nothing but complain about where our country ended up in 2008. Absolutly nothing but complaints would be being voiced.
You seem to think everything I point out is liberal jiberish and I'm blinded,and Obama is Lenin incarnat and on and on. What you won't acknowledge is that it was you and your stupid votes that put us here. And "here" is one step away from a depression that will make 1928 look like childs play.

It's no laughing matter Hawk,and there will be no easy fix. You can call me all the names in the world,and mock my semi intellegent observations about our lot these days as a nation,but your absolute refusal to even try and aknowledge that there maybe a bigger picture here to learn from,like the cloak and dagger deception that has been passed off on us as acceptable for the last 8 years. Bush considered his narrow magin of victory in 04 as a mandate. A mandate for what? Thats the question many of us are asking. But not you,or Leo or others who simply will not defend your 2 votes for a President that now enjoys something like a 22% approval rating,not to mention the hopless state of a train wreck he has left us to manage.

I would like to hear your defense of your two votes,as I was giving you expilcit reasons not to vote for him, on this site, before the 04 elections. I very clearly pointed out why even Kerry would have been a better choice,if for no other reason then not to go further down the road of cloak & dagger,back room politics , lies ,deception and further lining the pockets of the richest of the filthy rich.
The billions rifled from us in Iraq by shady Bush supporter contractors will soon see the light of day. And it will amaze all.

I know this is a painful. Call me names,talk about the Koolaid, I don't mind if it makes you feel better,it's OK,I would not want to be in your shoes either.
The bigger picture is not about me being correct,it's about the road ahead.But you cannot go foward,blind again, without learning form the past. History tells us that. If you just want to write off W, and pretend your votes did'nt put him in office,which makes you partially responsible for where we are,then your words fall on my deaf ears.Wake up Hawk,face reality and move forward with consrtuctive lessons learned from the dark side.

 

[Moot]

TC, what exactly is this "dangerous tipping point" and "bleak road" stuff that you mention. Maybe I am blind because I just don't seem to see it!

We do have the Health Care Crisis. Hilliary has been talking about that for 16 years. Then there is the Mortgage Crisis where people with no savings took advantage of low mortgage rates and bought more house than they could afford. There is the Global Warming Crisis or is it the Climate Change Crisis? And of course the Oil Crisis or is it the Energy Crisis?

Certainly President Bush is responsible for all of the above.

How about the Middle East Crisis? Sure we are involved in a war in Iraq. Or is it a military action? I believe that no matter who became president in 2000 we would have ended up with our military fighting somewhere.

Promoting crisis after crisis and bleakness and gloom sure paves the way for the CHANGE candidate.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Good post, Moot.

Cal... I've said before, I don't LIKE Bush! He's not CONSERVATIVE enough for me.

"I ventrue to say that if the Supreme Court had of been 1 vote different in deciding the Florida travisty in 2000,or the Ohio travisty in 2004,and bumble boy had not led our country down this bleak road,you would do nothing but complain about where our country ended up in 2008."

Well... last I checked, the Supreme Court isn't supposed to be in the business of announcing winners. And what exactly did they do in the 04 election? You blame us for electing the buffoon; yet it was YOU who nominated the two buffoons on YOUR side. If I have a choice between Dumb and Scum, I'll take Dumb.

"But not you,or Leo or others who simply will not defend your 2 votes for a President that now enjoys something like a 22% approval rating,not to mention the hopless state of a train wreck he has left us to manage."

As opposed to the DEMOCRAT Congress who held 11%, last I heard. Come on, Cal. You know the President signs off or vetos what the Congress send him. 11% tells me that Congress isn't doing the will of the ppl. What does it tell you?

That's ok, Cal. Apparently, Obamascamadingdong will get elected; and YOU can spend the next four years defending HIM and HIS policies. That is, unless the 1st Amendment doesn't get quashed before that four years is up.

 

[tallcal101]

Moot,W had a Republican Congress and 80% approval rating 3 months into his administration. All the issues you just brought up were issues W promised to address,health care and SS Security were at the top of his Compassionate Conservative mast head.He and his congress pi**ed it all off and invaded Iraq and passed tax breaks for the rich. THATS IT. The entire fist trerm was spent putting FOG's (friends of george)in silly positions like head of another silly notion,Homeland Security.We are far more Unsafe as a result of this farce.Or maybe brownie at FEMA? Brownie really got her done,yea baby.But it's really Hillarys fault.

"Tipping point",I guess is not in your world.I'm happy for you.Howver,if your paying to move customers freight,even once,your already tipping.But not wanting to hear it is typical of the business your in,anything to keep on truckin. That will come back on you,I promise.
But keep blaming Hillary,OK?

A" bleak road" is the one your on as soon as $6.00 diesel kicks in. Hillary's fault. . Why are you so fixaded on blaming her for W's short comings ? It goes right back to what I just posted,your blinded,terminaly ,as it appears.

"Mortage crises",FOG's ike the President of Nationwide Mortgage,our new Ambassidor to some place likeTransylvainia,operated under a mis-regulated enviroment similar to another FOG, Kenny Boy(w's nick name for him) Lay.It's about administration accountability Moot,not Hillary.

"Oil crisis "you say ?What oil crisis ,there's no supply shortage,only America bending over and asking for it doogy style from the good old FOGS in Saudi. W likes to kiss them to show his appreciation for their being so gentle and taking their time.Well,maybe george likes it that way,but my back side is just a bit sore.But again,it's Hillarys fault. Let's start drilling the s***t out of every place for fuel thatwe can have in 10 years . But in the mean time keep on kissing saudi a##. It's w's idea ofa good energy policy.

Global Warming and Green House gas's are not something w and his advisors think is real.
It's bad for business,so it had been mostly ignored.
That ****ed Hillary,at it again.
Your a bit confused Moot,I hope some light can find it's way through the crack in the blinders.

 

[davekc]

I really think the whole issue is the culture in Washington.
Whether it Bush, Hillary or whomever, we would be essentially at the same place.
With regards to Iraq, the dems voted for it just the same as Bush. 9/11 created the environment for everything you now see in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, Bush does deserve some credit as we haven't been attacked since then. I don't think our adversaries are holding back because they now like Bush.
With regards to the Hurricanes in NO, have to agree that Brown was a total amateur. But, I am mindful that the original mess was created by Nagin and the governor of LA for not letting them in sooner when the request was initially made.
My personal opinion is we are reaching a point or are already there for a third party.
Republicans have totally dropped the ball, and the democrats haven't done any better. Our new congress is a joke. Their only interest is to defeat anything Bush or the republicans want to do.
Up to this point, they have done pretty much nothing except pass a stimulas package and give themselves another raise.