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Veteran Expediter
Tallcal,
My God, what has come over you?
You are sounding like someone who has gotten his first email from Moveon.org.
Look dude, there are just a few things you seem to be missing there.
1 – FOB and FOG are interchangeable – it is business as usual and if I remember right the FOBs had no security clearance and ran around the place with FBI files on the former tenets of the WH while the FOGs were just as bad with their indecisiveness until 9/11.
2- yes blame Hillary, blame Obama and blame McCain. Out of the three Obama, your Messiah, has done the least with McCain following up behind – yes you saw that right. Hillary is who I want in the senate; as much as people may not understand this she has actually returned something to NY, where Obama and McCain haven’t.
3 – a quick history lesson, I think dude you may have used this page in your high school history book as rolling paper but back before you or I was born, something around that magic year of 1931, Hoover raised taxes which slammed the economy down hard and had a ripple effect for the rest of the world. Come FDR, he too did the same thing and caused a recession inside of a depression to happen in 1937. As you said, we are in fact one step away from a serious depression and here is how we are going to get there quickly – raise taxes. I will repeat that for you incase you are not reading it right, I agree with you, we are one step away from a serious depression and we can get there if congress follows Obama and raises taxes. Don’t take my word, come over to Ann Arbor and I will introduce a few liberals who can tell you in your native language that we are in real trouble if Obama makes it into the WH, and they by the way are voting for McCain.
3a – another part of that history lesson is the b*llsh*t that we can afford another tax increase like the one we had in the 90’s, we can’t at this point and here is why; Back in the 90’s we had a decent economy, not the best but it was OK. Clinton bet the house on growth and Robert Reich said something along the lines that he advised the increases so to cover the expenses of the proposals that Clinton had in mind (maybe healthcare?). Well at the same time we had the tech sectors taking off (you may have noticed that in the Bay Area) and the increase in taxes meant an increase in revenue but the economy could handle the impact because there was growth. Now you may also remember there was all this hoopla about some sort of surplus which was in fact a budget surplus not a real surplus (you got to learn how the federal budget works, it is like being on a bad trip) and the media and all the people who fell for the joke said Clinton single handedly balanced the budget but when the tech bubble burst, the feds lost all that revenue so the people like pelosi and reid and moveon said that it is bush who single handedly cause the Clinton surplus to go away which is not really true.
3b – the mortgage crisis is caused by congress and the looking the other way effect with the oversight committees. I think that even though some of the people are FOGs, a lot of them are friends of dems in congress. One senator, I think it may be Dodd is in slight trouble because he essentially accepted a very low interest rate loan which I think is called a bribe. IN fact most of the mortgage crisis is not caused by anyone but the people who bought the houses that they can’t afford and the lenders who gave them the money, we should not bail out the lenders at all – let them take the losses like everyone else has been.
4 – friends of the Saudis? Bush? My God Tallcal, where have you been, he is no more a friend to them as his father is. The real friend of the Saudis is Bill Clinton, you need to look at what was done over there during his administration and why he didn’t follow his own policies and the resolutions of the UN. I got to hand it to him, he has had several speaking engagements over there and even has his library (*and his defense fund) received money from them. Interesting to see the connection is almost like Clinton and the Chinese.
6 – oh yes greenhouse gases, funny that you can complain about that but still own trucks. I don’t make any bones about it, there is a doubt within the science community and being one who kind of knows about the sun and stars and those things called planets, there is some thing called a sun cycle. The amazing thing is Tallcal, that the earth was really really warm a thousand years ago and a thousand years before that and so on, so I think that there is a difference between pollution and ‘global warming/climate change/climate crisis. Also just to throw this into the mix, there are a group of scientist who were on the UN panel who have pretty much denounced the UN finding as political because they theorized that the warming of the earth is not really a bad thing because humans can grow more food. AND besides it takes the people to do something about it, not the government.
Bonus – quit with the Bush tax cuts were for the rich cr*p, I give you more credit than that. Who really cares what others pay in taxes, do you? Want to pay mine if you care so much? The fact is that EVERYONE benefited from it and as you and others want to point out that we have had a republican congress for a long time and they gave bush a pass on everything he wanted (which is not true, remember social security reform or the invasion bill?), the congress never made this tax reform without a sunset clause (guess why? Cry baby democrats got a compromised out of Bush) and this is one of the few times in our history that we got a solution with a sunset clause in it. So both your arguments can’t hold up – that is the repub in congress gave Bush everything and more importantly the tax cuts were only for the rich.
Trivia question for you;
Who was the first minority who was elected to the WH?
And if you can get that one, what party did he belong to?
My God, what has come over you?
You are sounding like someone who has gotten his first email from Moveon.org.
Look dude, there are just a few things you seem to be missing there.
1 – FOB and FOG are interchangeable – it is business as usual and if I remember right the FOBs had no security clearance and ran around the place with FBI files on the former tenets of the WH while the FOGs were just as bad with their indecisiveness until 9/11.
2- yes blame Hillary, blame Obama and blame McCain. Out of the three Obama, your Messiah, has done the least with McCain following up behind – yes you saw that right. Hillary is who I want in the senate; as much as people may not understand this she has actually returned something to NY, where Obama and McCain haven’t.
3 – a quick history lesson, I think dude you may have used this page in your high school history book as rolling paper but back before you or I was born, something around that magic year of 1931, Hoover raised taxes which slammed the economy down hard and had a ripple effect for the rest of the world. Come FDR, he too did the same thing and caused a recession inside of a depression to happen in 1937. As you said, we are in fact one step away from a serious depression and here is how we are going to get there quickly – raise taxes. I will repeat that for you incase you are not reading it right, I agree with you, we are one step away from a serious depression and we can get there if congress follows Obama and raises taxes. Don’t take my word, come over to Ann Arbor and I will introduce a few liberals who can tell you in your native language that we are in real trouble if Obama makes it into the WH, and they by the way are voting for McCain.
3a – another part of that history lesson is the b*llsh*t that we can afford another tax increase like the one we had in the 90’s, we can’t at this point and here is why; Back in the 90’s we had a decent economy, not the best but it was OK. Clinton bet the house on growth and Robert Reich said something along the lines that he advised the increases so to cover the expenses of the proposals that Clinton had in mind (maybe healthcare?). Well at the same time we had the tech sectors taking off (you may have noticed that in the Bay Area) and the increase in taxes meant an increase in revenue but the economy could handle the impact because there was growth. Now you may also remember there was all this hoopla about some sort of surplus which was in fact a budget surplus not a real surplus (you got to learn how the federal budget works, it is like being on a bad trip) and the media and all the people who fell for the joke said Clinton single handedly balanced the budget but when the tech bubble burst, the feds lost all that revenue so the people like pelosi and reid and moveon said that it is bush who single handedly cause the Clinton surplus to go away which is not really true.
3b – the mortgage crisis is caused by congress and the looking the other way effect with the oversight committees. I think that even though some of the people are FOGs, a lot of them are friends of dems in congress. One senator, I think it may be Dodd is in slight trouble because he essentially accepted a very low interest rate loan which I think is called a bribe. IN fact most of the mortgage crisis is not caused by anyone but the people who bought the houses that they can’t afford and the lenders who gave them the money, we should not bail out the lenders at all – let them take the losses like everyone else has been.
4 – friends of the Saudis? Bush? My God Tallcal, where have you been, he is no more a friend to them as his father is. The real friend of the Saudis is Bill Clinton, you need to look at what was done over there during his administration and why he didn’t follow his own policies and the resolutions of the UN. I got to hand it to him, he has had several speaking engagements over there and even has his library (*and his defense fund) received money from them. Interesting to see the connection is almost like Clinton and the Chinese.
6 – oh yes greenhouse gases, funny that you can complain about that but still own trucks. I don’t make any bones about it, there is a doubt within the science community and being one who kind of knows about the sun and stars and those things called planets, there is some thing called a sun cycle. The amazing thing is Tallcal, that the earth was really really warm a thousand years ago and a thousand years before that and so on, so I think that there is a difference between pollution and ‘global warming/climate change/climate crisis. Also just to throw this into the mix, there are a group of scientist who were on the UN panel who have pretty much denounced the UN finding as political because they theorized that the warming of the earth is not really a bad thing because humans can grow more food. AND besides it takes the people to do something about it, not the government.
Bonus – quit with the Bush tax cuts were for the rich cr*p, I give you more credit than that. Who really cares what others pay in taxes, do you? Want to pay mine if you care so much? The fact is that EVERYONE benefited from it and as you and others want to point out that we have had a republican congress for a long time and they gave bush a pass on everything he wanted (which is not true, remember social security reform or the invasion bill?), the congress never made this tax reform without a sunset clause (guess why? Cry baby democrats got a compromised out of Bush) and this is one of the few times in our history that we got a solution with a sunset clause in it. So both your arguments can’t hold up – that is the repub in congress gave Bush everything and more importantly the tax cuts were only for the rich.
Trivia question for you;
Who was the first minority who was elected to the WH?
And if you can get that one, what party did he belong to?
