I trust NO ONE in the White House with documents of this type. The more I see of Obama the more I think he is a traitor. They are far worse that that scum bag Clinton was. That is saying something.
Is Obama a muslim?
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I trust NO ONE in the White House with documents of this type. The more I see of Obama the more I think he is a traitor. They are far worse that that scum bag Clinton was. That is saying something.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
The release of classified documents is a felony. This release could, and in my opinion will, cost U.S. and allied lives. I believe, but have no way of proving, that the White House is behind this.
I do NOT trust Obama. I still state that there is NO way he could get the clearances needed to do his job IF he was to go through the process like myself and so many others did.
Why is this leak NOT being investigated by the PROPER authorities? NOT justice, it is a DOD job. Maybe it is, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I don't believe that this administration wants or cares to do the job right. Only time will tell.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Have you bothered to actually check out any of the leaked documents yourself ..... or are you just flying off at the lips yet again, as per usual ?
Clearly, you have no clue what is going on .... behind the scenes ..... or otherwise ..... just more spoutage ....
I'm always amazed the degree to which some folks .... will irresponsibly comment and pontificate on things with which they have very little actual familiarity ....
When you get people operating in this fashion, you wind up with cute stuff ..... like some fool reporting that multiple ranches in the Laredo area have been taken over by armed Mexican drug gangs .... as but one example .....
Jeez Randy, what do you expect? Due diligence? Opinions based on actual knowledge? Conclusions arrived at after careful deliberation?
If so, the Soapbox is a long way from it, most of the time.
It's more like the CB: a place to vent opinions, no matter how ill informed they may be [and repetitive!] to a wider audience than you can get at the Flying J.
Bless those few who try for a higher standard, but you're seriously outnumbered here.
If so, the Soapbox is a long way from it, most of the time.
It's more like the CB: a place to vent opinions, no matter how ill informed they may be [and repetitive!] to a wider audience than you can get at the Flying J.
Bless those few who try for a higher standard, but you're seriously outnumbered here.
Obama is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. Obama has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
Obama's father was Muslim. There is no evidence Barack Hussein Obama follows Islam. Barack was schooled in Black Liberation theology under the tutelage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Islam won't change America. Obama's doing it for them. We might never recover from Obama's socialism. That's the real threat.
Obama's father was Muslim. There is no evidence Barack Hussein Obama follows Islam. Barack was schooled in Black Liberation theology under the tutelage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Islam won't change America. Obama's doing it for them. We might never recover from Obama's socialism. That's the real threat.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Um... let's see if we can use that somewhere else.
Teddy Roosevelt is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. Roosevelt has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
Wilson is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. Wilson has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
FDR is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. FDR has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
Kennedy is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. Kennedy has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
Clinton is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. Clinton has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
Bush is a radical Liberal Democrat with a socialistic agenda. That alone makes him a grave danger to the American way of life. Bush has promised to fundamentally change the United States of America and that is exactly how he governs.
Yep it sure does fit.
The unique situation we have with Barack Hussein Obama is that he's a radically liberal president with a socialist agenda who is allied with radically liberal congressional leaders controlling both houses with large democrat majorities. Combine this with a weak and inept GOP leadership and we have a party that can pass almost any legislation they want regardless of public support; their willing accomplices in the mainstream media can help them control that little problem - at least for a while. We can only hope that Abe Lincoln's adage about not being able to fool all of the people all of the time holds true this coming November.
No, I talked with people in the intell business. Got it from the horses mouth so to speak. You know, REAL PEOPLE!! Working the the business right now. One in operations, one in school at this time.
The problem with ALL of these things is that there are often far more sides to the story than is reported. Seldom, in fact never with programs that I worked in, was the total story ever talked about.
There is a LOT of incomplete information and reporting on this story, as with almost EVERY story reported on the 4 silly networks. I trust none of them.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Yeeaaah ..... pretty much figured that you hadn't actually read any of it ...
Glad you clarified that - since, judging from some of the communications I've gotten, a number of folks seemed to be concerned as to whether it was UNREAL PEOPLE that you've been conversing with .....
(You know - the "imaginary friend" variety .....)
Not myself mind you ....... but it has come up ... repeatedly ....
Uh-huh .....
You're making a great case for more open government, less classification ...... and more transparency ... rather than less .....
Couple that with your general feelings towards politicians (albeit not all governmental folk - but who knows - you might come around eventually), and I'd say it's a near lock.
Well, maybe if you ever get around to actually reading some of the stuff you are (feebly) attempting to talk about/refer to (again, without having ever read any of it
) ...... since afterall, the actual documents themselves have been made public on the net (so you don't have to rely on the networks - you can actually look for yourself, strange as that may seem), maybe you, or one of your "buddies", can fill us all in on some of that "incomplete information" ..... so that we might be a better informed citizenry ...You know Layout, the whole premise is pretty hilarious:
Someone (you) comments on the implications of something they themselves have not personally read nor examined, and then further comments how there is a lot of incomplete information and reporting on the matter .....
(Yup - YOU yourself, being a prime example of it .....)
I mean, think about it - really think about it - for a minute or two .....
Seriously, I couldn't make up something that even remotely approached the utter ludicrousness of that premise .....
A guy has never actually looked at any of it, never examined it - so in essence really knows nothing about the matter in the specific from his own personal observation - and then declares that there is "incomplete information and reporting" ....
Is anyone reading here still wondering why we are in the various predicaments that we find ourselves in - if the above is representative of the modus operandi of our (so-called) "intelligence" community ?
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Yeeaaah ..... pretty much figured that you hadn't actually read any of it ...
Glad you clarified that - since, judging from some of the communications I've gotten, a number of folks seemed to be concerned as to whether it was UNREAL PEOPLE that you've been conversing with .....
(You know - the "imaginary friend" variety .....)
Not myself mind you ....... but it has come up ... repeatedly ....
Uh-huh .....
You're making a great case for more open government, less classification ...... and more transparency ... rather than less .....
Couple that with your general feelings towards politicians (albeit not all governmental folk - but who knows - you might come around eventually), and I'd say it's a near lock.
Well, maybe if you ever get around to actually reading some of the stuff you are (feebly) attempting to talk about/refer to (again, without having ever read any of it
You know Layout, the whole premise is pretty hilarious:
Someone (you) comments on the implications of something they themselves have not personally read nor examined, and then further comments how there is a lot of incomplete information and reporting on the matter .....
(Yup - YOU yourself, being a prime example of it .....)
I mean, think about it - really think about it - for a minute or two .....
Seriously, I couldn't make up something that even remotely approached the utter ludicrousness of that premise .....
A guy has never actually looked at any of it, never examined it - so in essence really knows nothing about the matter in the specific from his own personal observation - and then declares that there is "incomplete information and reporting" ....
Is anyone reading here still wondering why we are in the various predicaments that we find ourselves in - if the above is representative of the modus operandi of our (so-called) "intelligence" community ?
I asked my nephew (the combat vet, bronze star for valor nephew and his wife who is in intell school) 3 unclassifed questions. Was there a criminal leak of information? Could the release threaten lives of U.S. and allied personal? Could the leak cause a "serious" (that is a legal term used when determining the possible affects of a leak, it is the second highest level of damage) threat to the United States. They answered yes to all 3.
Let's get a few things straight since it seems, on the surface at least, that you have no idea who am I or what I believe.
My first hand experience is long out of date. I am able to base ideas on that experience because the problems we are facing are long term problems. They started long before I was born and will continue long after I am dead. Things do NOT change fast. Without first hand experience it is more difficult to sort through things.
I QUIT, I did NOT retire, from my intell job for many reasons. Among those reasons was a moral opposition to changing policies and priorities put forth by our politicians, those who control the agencies and, for the most part, are responsible for the excesses that sometimes occur in that business. Some of those changes in policy included, what I believed to be, curtailment of our Constitution and the personal freedoms we enjoy. The same Constitution that I had sworn to protect and defend. I could not and would not work under people who were out to destroy the very thing that I had sworn to protect.
I have only limited second hand information. One, because most that I worked with are no longer there. Two, because I would not ask for classified information. Three, because those I do know that are still involved are few in numbers and in a far different role than I served in.
As to those "leaked" documents. I don't trust them. Why? They are 100% the result of criminal activity.
There is NO legal way that classified documents can be posted on the internet. Someone, or many someones, had to commit multiple crimes to leak them.
Criminals, by their very nature, cannot be trusted. They commit crimes for various reasons. The very fact that they are willing to commit crimes makes everything that they do suspect. The person(s) that leaked those papers could be out for just profit, or to cause deaths. They could have been passed over for a promotion, whatever. Blackmail is one of the biggest reasons people "leak" classified information. One can only be blackmailed if they are weak. Weak in mind, character or morals.
Those who print/post this type of information as suspect as well. First, they are committing a crime so they cannot be trusted. Second, I do NOT KNOW their motives. Yes, MAYBE it is to inform. It can just as likely be to destroy. I have NO first hand experience. I see the crime. I do NOT trust criminals, therefore I do NOT trust them. If they are willing to commit a crime then they are capable of altering or editing the "leaked" information to acheive whatever goal that they are after. I have NO access to the ORIGINAL documents, therefor I have NO WAY to determine if they have been altered in any way.
Politicians have been known to "leak" information for varied reasons. Many of those "leaks: have cost people their lives. That is just ONE of the many reasons that I no longer trust our politicians.
We continue to be in the messes we are in, not because of intell problems, but mainly due to our politicians. THEY make the policies. THEY set the intell priorities. The agencies, for the most part, follow the commands of the civilian government that rightfully controls them. The problems occur mainly within the ranks of the corrupt officials in charge.
I don't know what first hand experience you have. I don't know if you have any at all. I don't know what second hand experience or information you have, if any at all. I DO KNOW that NO 3rd hand or lower information can be fully trusted.
I do NOT doubt your intentions. I question your insistence on belittling me. You are more than welcome to question my ideas. I, however, have NEVER committed a crime in the performance of my duties. I ONLY did the jobs that I was assigned to do and ALWAYS followed, not only the letter, but the spirit of the laws that are out there to protect our Constitution and the American people.
I do NOT have imaginary people that I talk with. I am well grounded, quite fun to be around and am MORE than capable of carrying on a valid conversation.
I do wonder one thing. What is it that fosters your apparent almost hatred of the intell business? Did something happen to you or someone you know? Is it only from reading 3rd or 4th hand information? Could it be that you might just feel left out, not able to know classified stuff? (by the way, most classified stuff is VERY boring, don't let that bother you) I am not saying that that "left out" feeling is part of the cause but, believe it or not, many do feel that way. Those people tend to be the most vocal of their hatred.
I am NOT being silly or snide in asking this. I cannot determine your thoughts if I don't understand you.
Now, I will check back with you latter. It is time to install my airtabs. You are MORE than welcome to come over and help. My back is bothering me and I could use the help!!
bryanvolsfan
Seasoned Expediter
Does it really matter? He is doing exactly what commusnism teaches, CLASS WARFARE! He is dividing our country by lower class, middle class and upper class (which he is in by the way).
He is trying to stir up racial tension, look at the black panther incident, the way he handled the Robert Gates and Cambridge police incident. Listen to his "pastor" Jeremiah Wright, he said "Not God bless America, but God-D... America!"
It doesnt matter if he is a muslim or not, the question is what are his motivations? From here it looks like he wants to DESTROY everything our founding fathers worked so hard to build.
He is trying to stir up racial tension, look at the black panther incident, the way he handled the Robert Gates and Cambridge police incident. Listen to his "pastor" Jeremiah Wright, he said "Not God bless America, but God-D... America!"
It doesnt matter if he is a muslim or not, the question is what are his motivations? From here it looks like he wants to DESTROY everything our founding fathers worked so hard to build.
My dad practiced medicine for 50 years. He was in general practice so he had to stay current on pretty much everything. As most physicians do, he had a group of specialists he referred to for things he didn't want to handle himself. When he referred a patient and told the specialist the patient had a certain condition they didn't start from scratch to work them up, they checked for what he told them and at least 99 out of 100 times that was just what it was.
He had many discussions about various medical topics over the years. Some of those discussions were on new procedures, meds, etc. which he hadn't performed and in some cases hadn't studied yet. His discussions were coherent and relevant because he had the education and experience in many tangential areas which qualified him for the discussion at hand.
I'm sure there are others who are fully capable of intelligent and accurate commentary and conversation on subjects relating to their field of expertise.
He had many discussions about various medical topics over the years. Some of those discussions were on new procedures, meds, etc. which he hadn't performed and in some cases hadn't studied yet. His discussions were coherent and relevant because he had the education and experience in many tangential areas which qualified him for the discussion at hand.
I'm sure there are others who are fully capable of intelligent and accurate commentary and conversation on subjects relating to their field of expertise.
No, no, no. It's the same people that told him:
There were at LEAST two other gunman involved, it is being covered up.
There is a MASSIVE cover-up under way to PROTECT those who ALLOWED this to happen. The orders for both the cover-up AND the original protection of this RADICAL MUSLIM PIG came from Administration officals.
Which, of course, turned out to not have a scintilla of truth to it at all.
Naturally, the deity will say, "You must believe, for I am all-knowing and know things which you cannot know. My claims are not falsifiable, therefor, ergo, they are true, despite they being unprovable. And most importantly, don't even try. Just believe."
Be all that as it may, this stuff was leaked by a military intelligence Army private with a very impressive history of leaking classified materials, from classified cable traffic to helicopter video, and had been systematically leaking these current documents since January. This is a guy who was mad at the military and the world, especially after having a nasty break-up from his boyfriend. This is a case of where someone should have asked, and he should have told. The Gay Press Mafia (and the mainstream press) is just sitting there with their butt cheeks clenched on this story. What a GLBT nightmare.
His Facebook page (which has recently mysteriously disappeared) includes a photo of him at a gay rights rally, holding a sign demanding equality on "the battlefield." We have a gay activist who calls himself a "gay hacktivist", isolated, America-hating U.S. soldier whiling away his time on the taxpayer’s dime, whining about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, lip-synching Lady Gaga and playing Secret Agent Man with another gay, angry anti-war activist who he finds on the internet. Our soldiers are even more in harm’s way because of some 22-year-old gay whistle-crack who had too much time on his hands and no friends and can't convince the military to pay for his sexual reassignment surgery. Excellent.
Here's a screen capture of his main Facebook page. His favorite television shows are The Daily Show, The Rachael Maddow Show, Glee and Welcome to the Universe. If you can get by the awesomely cuteness of his picture, read closely the "other" section of the things that most interest him. You can't make this stuff up.
I think you Misunderstood my Doesn't Matter comment for deleting my Post.
What I was Referring to was my Response to what Layout said in Response to Rlent which I Found quite Humorous
and Not if Obumma was or Wasn't a Muslim!
"Which, of course, turned out to not have a scintilla of truth to it at all."
How sure of that are you Turtle? Is the investigation over? Are you 100% positive that the press you read this in is presenting the ENTIRE picture? Do they ever? Would you be willing to bet your life on that? I would not.
There were many things NOT reported by the press, as always. Some to protect the "screw ups" that allowed this to occur. Some to protect investigators. There was more than one agency involved, there is a LOT of "CYA" going on as well. You might want to check the "stockade records" at Ft. Bragg. I wish we had access to those. Lot's of interesting people locked up there. Army MP prison guards know FAR more that news reporters do.
As to these leaks. It would NOT surprise me if there were more than that one private involved. No proof. I only base that on the shear number of documents leaked. It would have taken me YEARS to remove that many documents when I was there. Granted it MAY be a bit easier to get them out now with DVD's etc. but that is a LOT of stuff.
I do wonder one thing. Just how much of the "STUFF" that private removed was "Planted" to allow for "proof" that he was stealing them? That has been done in the past to help catch spies, traitors etc. Marked documents etc.
Nothing is ever as it seems. There are ALWAYS more sides to EVERY story than is reported.
"Naturally, the deity will say, "You must believe, for I am all-knowing and know things which you cannot know. My claims are not falsifiable, therefor, ergo, they are true, despite they being unprovable. And most importantly, don't even try. Just believe."
Uncalled for. You can accept what I say or not. I try not to make fun of you when you put out some of the foolish garbage you do. I prefer just to make fun of the garbage.
You, and I, can both be wrong. I have been and so have you. Even RLENT will admit to being wrong from time to time No need for personal stuff, is there? Takes a lot of the fun out of arguing and "chain rattling".
How sure of that are you Turtle? Is the investigation over? Are you 100% positive that the press you read this in is presenting the ENTIRE picture? Do they ever? Would you be willing to bet your life on that? I would not.
There were many things NOT reported by the press, as always. Some to protect the "screw ups" that allowed this to occur. Some to protect investigators. There was more than one agency involved, there is a LOT of "CYA" going on as well. You might want to check the "stockade records" at Ft. Bragg. I wish we had access to those. Lot's of interesting people locked up there. Army MP prison guards know FAR more that news reporters do.
As to these leaks. It would NOT surprise me if there were more than that one private involved. No proof. I only base that on the shear number of documents leaked. It would have taken me YEARS to remove that many documents when I was there. Granted it MAY be a bit easier to get them out now with DVD's etc. but that is a LOT of stuff.
I do wonder one thing. Just how much of the "STUFF" that private removed was "Planted" to allow for "proof" that he was stealing them? That has been done in the past to help catch spies, traitors etc. Marked documents etc.
Nothing is ever as it seems. There are ALWAYS more sides to EVERY story than is reported.
"Naturally, the deity will say, "You must believe, for I am all-knowing and know things which you cannot know. My claims are not falsifiable, therefor, ergo, they are true, despite they being unprovable. And most importantly, don't even try. Just believe."
Uncalled for. You can accept what I say or not. I try not to make fun of you when you put out some of the foolish garbage you do. I prefer just to make fun of the garbage.
You, and I, can both be wrong. I have been and so have you. Even RLENT will admit to being wrong from time to time No need for personal stuff, is there? Takes a lot of the fun out of arguing and "chain rattling".
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If you can wait till Monday, I'd help - I installed mine in a couple hours, all by myself.layoutshooter; Criminals said:Are you seriously contending that no US intelligence agency has ever broken the law?
[/FONT]It is time to install my airtabs. You are MORE than welcome to come over and help. My back is bothering me and I could use the help!!
If you can wait till Monday, I'd help - I installed mine in a couple hours, all by myself.
Thanks for the offer, Cheri. We got them on in about 1.5 hours. There is more in the truck section on it. We hope to be in service tomorrow. Where are you that you could have helped?
If you were at home Joe, You shoulda Let me know and I would Have given you a Hand!