DINGELL TELL US WHAT barrycare IS ALL ABOUT

[chefdennis]

Yeap he let it out of the bag this morning:

Rep. Dingell: It's Taken a Long Time to 'Control the People' | The FOX Nation

there you libs and barry supporters, hope you are enjoying your "hope and change"....

 

[layoutshooter]

Yeap he let it out of the bag this morning:

Rep. Dingell: It's Taken a Long Time to 'Control the People' | The FOX Nation

there you libs and barry supporters, hope you are enjoying your "hope and change"....[/QUOTE


Anyone surprised? This has always been the plan. Dingellberry sucks. So does Piglolsi and Osama Obama. Satan is smiling wide today.

 

[greg334]

What?

Where have you all been, he is repeating what he said last month.

 

[Turtle]

Dingell's comments are nothing new, and certainly not shocking. It's just more of the same ol', same ol'. Has anyone forgotten these gems?

"The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth."

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."

"You can't say you love your country and hate your government."

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans... we have more important things to accomplish."

Liberals actually believe these things, and the quotes above hold true today just as they did when they were spoken by the President of the United States, Bill Clinton, a man who in the eyes of many could do no wrong, even when he was caught doing it.

 

[RLENT]

Not that I am any fan of Dingell by any stretch .... but I believe if you look at the last part of the linked Fox article, a staffer clarified who "the people" Dingell was referring to actually are:

"Dingell's office tells Fox Nation that "the people" the congressman was referring to were "people" working for insurance companies, and that Dingell was making the point that structural changes in the insurance industry needed to be implemented in an efficient and orderly way under the guidelines prescribed by the health care bill."

Personally, I'm just slightly curious at what might have been edited off the end of that audio clip (that perhaps would have given more context to what he actually meant) ..... but I realize that such curiosity is probably a minority position ......

 

[RLENT]

Liberals actually believe these things ......

Well, in the interest of being fair and balanced, here's a few ditties from the other side of the ledger (and yes - some conservatives do actually believe these things .... really, I'm not kidding )

“As soon as Jesus sits on his throne he’s gonna rule the world with a rod of iron. That means he’s gonna make the ACLU do what he wants them to. That means you’re not gonna have to ask if you can pray in public school. We will live by the law of God and no other law.” — Cornerstone Church's Rev. John Hagee, who endorsed John McCain during the 2008 presidential race.

“Let’s acknowledge that America’s increasing decadence is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. When we tolerate trash on television, permit pornography to invade our homes via the Internet, and allow babies to be killed at the point of birth, we are inflaming radical Islam.” — Charles Colson, former Nixon aide, convicted felon, and Evangelical leader whose 1996 novel Gideon’s Torch describes killing abortion doctors.

“Kids today are looking for something to die for… If you give them something to die for, they’ll go to the edge of the earth for you.” — Dr. James Dobson’s son Ryan, in 2005. His book, 2Die4 : The Dangerous Truth About Following Christ advocates “murderous war because our enemies are deadly.”

“This whole thing about not kicking someone when they are down is b.s. Not only do you kick him—you kick him until he passes out—then beat him over the head with a baseball bat—then roll him up in an old rug—and throw him off a cliff into the pounding surf below!!!!!” — Michael Scanlon, former chief of staff to Rep. Tom "The Bug Man" DeLay (R-TX) and business partner of convicted felon Jack Abramoff, during the Clinton impeachment proceedings.

"Blowing up Iran. I say we nuke the *******s. In fact, it doesn't have to be Iran, it can be everywhere, anyplace that disagrees with me." — Glen Beck, recovering alcoholic/former drug addict, and psycho TV host on Fox News

“It’s not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go.“
—Minister Mark Driscoll of the Mars Hill Church of Seattle, defending the homosexual escapades of Rev. Ted Haggard in 2006

Yup - insanity seems to know no political boundaries .....

 

[Turtle]

Kinda stepped on my "Constitutional rights and free thought" point there, man.

 

[RLENT]

Kinda stepped on my "Constitutional rights and free thought" point there, man.

Sorry .... didn't mean to take it off point

Your point remains entirely valid .... some liberals do believe those things .... as do some conservatives

The main difference usually tends to be that the liberals (dems) want social freedom (morality) and conduct .... and want to limit economic activity (freedom) ....

Where the conservatives (repubs) want largely unrestrained economic freedom and activity ..... but want to regulate social conduct (personal morality) .....

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Slight difference when comparing staff members and preachers to a president, don't you think?

But I understand... anything to get your point across. Doesn't matter how stupid it sounds in the process.

 

[greg334]

So Rlent, where do libertarians sit in that mess?

Social freedoms with economic freedoms?

The dems and repubs both have the same problems and issues. While some are liberals, progressives and even Marxist, there are others on the other side that are conservitives, right wingers and christian right that act just the same with the same reasoning and the same demands to change the system to fit their image of what the country should look like.

 

[Pilgrim]

Not that I am any fan of Dingell by any stretch .... but I believe if you look at the last part of the linked Fox article, a staffer clarified who "the people" Dingell was referring to actually are:

"Dingell's office tells Fox Nation that "the people" the congressman was referring to were "people" working for insurance companies, and that Dingell was making the point that structural changes in the insurance industry needed to be implemented in an efficient and orderly way under the guidelines prescribed by the health care bill."

Personally, I'm just slightly curious at what might have been edited off the end of that audio clip (that perhaps would have given more context to what he actually meant) ..... but I realize that such curiosity is probably a minority position ......

"...the people working for insurance companies - That's the ticket! Yeah, that's what we'll tell them!" I can just hear that conversation going on in the Dingell staff's damage control meeting. I'd say the prudent thing to do in this case would be to form a judgement on what he ACTUALLY SAID - not what some staff spinmeister said he meant to say. If he meant to say "Insurance Companies" he would have said that. I bet it's also a good guess that if there was more to the tape the staff would have already been out there with it to make the "out of context" point. Just another flareup of his foot-in-mouth disease, but Dingell's staff is probably used to dealing with it after all these years.

 

[Turtle]

The problem is, Dingell has been consistent in referring to insurance companies as "insurance companies," and to the citizenry of the United States as "the people." Calling me one of "the people" is actually one of the things about him that most get on my nerves. It's always "the people" as if he's talking down to us, the common folk, the ordinary people. I've been waiting for years for him to slip up and call us "the little people", or "the peasants" because that's how he comes off.

 

[RLENT]

Slight difference when comparing staff members and preachers to a president, don't you think?

Hawk,

I wasn't comparing members and preachers to a president .... I was comparing liberals to conservatives .... (albeit probably the more extremes of both)

But I understand... anything to get your point across.

Not at all ...... there's a whole host of things I wouldn't do to make a point

Doesn't matter how stupid it sounds in the process.

You think that the premise that there are whack-jobs on either side of the political spectrum (which was my premise) is an idea without merit ?

Odd .... that just doesn't comport with my experience ... because I've met plenty from both sides .......

 

[mjolnir131]

well lets see you quoted a Nixon backer,a backer not a politician and Nixon was a Democrat in Republican clothing he had switched party's to take out a democratic incumbent and never switched back.

Nixon never gave up his liberal ideals as a republican, Nixon is kinda the poster child for leftist misdirection,he's been vilified over and over (as he should be mind you) but when you scratch the surface we find a Democrat not a Republican,as layout keeps pointing out both side have an exorbitant amount of fertilizer that would cover the Midwest farm many times over and they both need to just go away.

 

[Pilgrim]

Don't forget it was Nixon who gave us wage and price controls (which proved to be ineffective controlling inflation) and led the US off the gold standard. He was by no means a conservative president and never was in his earlier years. Neither were the two Bushes, for that matter.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

FDR took us off the gold standard during the depression.

Nixon also gave us the EPA. Now granted, something had to be done with the pollution we had. But their reach has gone way beyond common sense.

 

[greg334]

Yea with all his faults, Nixon did a few other things that Kennedy, LBJ and other democrats couldn't have the b*lls to do - deal with Civil Rights on Action level.

Without Nixon in the 50's, Eisenhower would not have pushed for a lot of the laws and policy changes within the administration. Like Roosevelt before him (Teddy), Eisenhower and Nixon made sure things were moving forward despite democrats.

AND then in the Nixon administration, no other president moved most of the civil rights forward through different means and at different levels of the administration. Even with Today's messiah, there is a question of his cabinet makeup and the twisting of history to make it look like he has done so much but he hasn't done a thing yet.

What I can't understand is the ignorance among democrats who are right of center, their party has been against a lot of positive social changes right from the start and actually seems to be more big business centric by their legislation but these people seem to fail to understand, especially minorities that the best party for them is not the democrat party but other ones.

 

[mjolnir131]

the republican party was started as an abolitionist movement and yet they are accused of being the raciest today. Just one more leftist über spin,and spin is really subjective here,actually it flat out lying like most things the left has stated in the past. I always figured if you have to exaggerate that bad you have a really **** poor product.,not unlike the apple and Chevy commercials today(just the fact that being number two sometimes you stretch the truth a bit for a bigger market share)

 

[greg334]

Well GM has been advertising in some markets "GMs Leading the way in electric car technology"

Just as you mentioned the repubs were anti-slavery but the dems were pro-slavery and still are. It seems that the dems supporters don't see how being trapped by a label actually hurts them and you grow to think that you will never be any better than your neigbor while you sit on you sip on your government provided beer sitting on your government provided chair on your government approved porch while living in your government subsidized house.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Well GM has been advertising in some markets "GMs Leading the way in electric car technology"

Just as you mentioned the repubs were anti-slavery but the dems were pro-slavery and still are. It seems that the dems supporters don't see how being trapped by a label actually hurts them and you grow to think that you will never be any better than your neigbor while you sit on you sip on your government provided beer sitting on your government provided chair on your government approved porch while living in your government subsidized house.

It's called "poverty of ambition".