Paterno should be canned.

[greg334]

So it's not important for those who work with kids to have integrity? Got it.

the first thing that comes to mind is the big deal made out of protecting a football coach who is no one important.

The second thing that he should be asked is if he and others should be held accountable based on a moral obligation. In this case, using the excuse to cover his a** that he did only what he was told to do is just a cop out and he should be held to a higher standard if he is put up on a pedestal as someone important.

I would incline to think that he and if there are others are criminally negligent not to bring this to the authorities and insist on a proper investigation. No matter maybe the school should start looking into stripping him of his pension and other 'benefits' as a moral obligation to the public.

 

[Turtle]

"What if the person that told you was very well known to you and someone that you trusted?"

I had hoped that the "...even if I think it's not true?" part would have already answered that question. If I knew and trusted them to the point where I would accept what they said at face value as the truth, then I probably wouldn't think the allegation wasn't true, now would I? But if I think it's not true, for whatever reasons, I'm not very likely to act as though I do. And you wouldn't, either. No one would. It's silly on the face of it to think I would assume as true, that which I do not believe to be true.

It would seem you want the flesh of those who, despite doing nothing wrong, didn't respond in concert with your own personal sense of moral vigilantism. Awesome.

 

[Turtle]

the first thing that comes to mind is the big deal made out of protecting a football coach who is no one important.

The second thing that he should be asked is if he and others should be held accountable based on a moral obligation. In this case, using the excuse to cover his a** that he did only what he was told to do is just a cop out and he should be held to a higher standard if he is put up on a pedestal as someone important.

I would incline to think that he and if there are others are criminally negligent not to bring this to the authorities and insist on a proper investigation. No matter maybe the school should start looking into stripping him of his pension and other 'benefits' as a moral obligation to the public.

the first thing that comes to mind here is how interesting it is that so many people want Paterno's head on a pike, despite him not being suspected of having touched a single child, of not being suspected of knowing and enabling his coach to molest children, and in spite him doing precisely what the laws of Pennsylvania and the policies of the University, which were created directly out of moral obligation, required him to do.

Apparently, he was supposed to report to the police suspected abuse which he did not suspect, and do so out of a moral obligation. Am I the only one who sees the ridiculousness of that thought?

 

[Pilgrim]

the first thing that comes to mind is the big deal made out of protecting a football coach who is no one important.

I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers but this is a football coach who has made a living at playing a kids game and nothing more than that - his integrity is as important as that of the guy at the donut shop.

You might want to stop and think about those two statements. Those descriptions might apply to a peewee league coach, but not somebody who heads up a football program that has an annual budget in the millions of dollars with supporters that number in the millions from coast to coast. He has directly affected the lives of hundreds of thousands of young people who have attended Penn State, athletes and non-athletes alike. Why, at age 84 should he be stained by the actions of a subordinate who turned out to be a perverted homosexual pedophile? Because he's literally the face of Penn State and his pound of flesh is more valuable than anyone else's there. At any rate, it looks like the buzzards are circling and the accusers will get their wish according to the following article - which also helps us to understand why Joe Paterno and his integrity are not only extremely important, but highly influential:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/s...aid-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=2&hp

 

[witness23]

I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers but this is a football coach who has made a living at playing a kids game and nothing more than that - his integrity is as important as that of the guy at the donut shop.

That's very Ayn Randian of you greg, but c'mon, you don't seriously mean that do you?

 

[witness23]

You know what's more depressing than anything else? The ten year old boy is unidetified to this day.

 

[Pilgrim]

One more thought about the Penn State scandal: one of the main issues is an act of sodomy by Sandusky with a 10 year-old boy was supposed to be witnessed by a Penn St. graduate student who was a former star quarterback. A fair question to ask would be why didn't this obvious physical specimen directly intervene right then and there? Maybe if he had jumped into the fray, kicked Sandusky's a** and then called the police, none of this mess would have fallen on Penn State and some of the other boys would have been spared their trauma.

 

[witness23]

"What if the person that told you was very well known to you and someone that you trusted?"

I had hoped that the "...even if I think it's not true?" part would have already answered that question. If I knew and trusted them to the point where I would accept what they said at face value as the truth, then I probably wouldn't think the allegation wasn't true, now would I? But if I think it's not true, for whatever reasons, I'm not very likely to act as though I do. And you wouldn't, either. No one would. It's silly on the face of it to think I would assume as true, that which I do not believe to be true.

Wow......lmao! That was some mental gymnastics of epic proportions.

 

[Turtle]

Deep Thoughts, by Turtle.

It is what it is and it isn't what it isn't because it is what it is.

Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[jaminjim]

Am I the only one who sees the ridiculousness of that thought?

I guess you are. Ya know when nobody agrees with your stance, maybe you should take the time to reevaluate it.

oh I forgot, just sayin.

 

[cheri1122]

One more thought about the Penn State scandal: one of the main issues is an act of sodomy by Sandusky with a 10 year-old boy was supposed to be witnessed by a Penn St. graduate student who was a former star quarterback. A fair question to ask would be why didn't this obvious physical specimen directly intervene right then and there?

The Grand Jury report states that the graduate student was so upset by what he saw that he saw crying uncontrollably when he [immediately] reported it to the nearest higher 'authority' who also was his boss. He then trusted that it would be handled correctly.
He was wrong. It should have been reported to the police - city, state, or university.

Maybe if he had jumped into the fray, kicked Sandusky's a** and then called the police, none of this mess would have fallen on Penn State and some of the other boys would have been spared their trauma.

It's doubtful anyone would have criticized him for it if he had, but the shock led him to react otherwise.
There is no way to defend grown men who cared more about the reputation of their coach & university than the welfare of a child. The very least they could have done was ask some tough questions, and demand answers, but they didn't even do that much for an abused child. That they are in positions of authority and held to be positive role models for the young men in their charge is just sickening.

 

[Turtle]

I guess you are. Ya know when nobody agrees with your stance, maybe you should take the time to reevaluate it.

oh I forgot, just sayin.

OK. Good tip. So in the future, I will be vigilant to report to the police suspected abuse, even if I do not suspect that it occurred. Got it.

 

[jaminjim]

OK. Good tip. So in the future, I will be vigilant to report to the police suspected abuse, even if I do not suspect that it occurred. Got it.

I was referring to your opinion that most all think that Paterno had not done his moral duty, and you felt that he did. So I was saying that maybe you needed to rethink your position.

In a nut shell Paterno failed miserably as a man for his failure to follow thru or follow up.

 

[Ragman]

You know what's more depressing than anything else? The ten year old boy is unidetified to this day.

I'm not sure we need to know his name at this point.

 

[layoutshooter]

I'm not sure we need to know his name at this point.

The name of a 10 year old victim should NEVER be published. The ONLY time a victim that young should be made known is in court.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I think that a lot of people think higher of Joe Paterno because he is a legend. He's human, people... not a god. The anger should be placed at the people who kept this silent. But since the police are dealing with that angle, some seem to want more heads to roll than are necessary.

 

[layoutshooter]

Right now we STILL only have allegations. NO one has be convicted of ANYTHING at this point. Fire someone based only on speculation?

 

[cheri1122]

The name of a 10 year old victim should NEVER be published. The ONLY time a victim that young should be made known is in court.

I think y'all are missing the point: no one suggested that the child be identified in public, but the facts indicate that not a single dammed one of the grown men who heard about it AT THE TIME made an effort to find out who the child was that had [maybe] just been raped by another grown man. They didn't want to know - knowing would force them to smear the reputation of their beloved university, coach, and game. Finding out whether a child had been injured was not as important to them.
THAT'S where they failed as human beings.

 

[jaminjim]

Right now we STILL only have allegations. NO one has be convicted of ANYTHING at this point. Fire someone based only on speculation?

Who is speculating? Paterno said that he knew none of the details of the alleged incident. The guy that says he reported it to Paterno said that he reported it in graphic detail. Stories don't match at all. In this case Paterno appears to be morally bankrupt.

 

[layoutshooter]

I think y'all are missing the point: no one suggested that the child be identified in public, but the facts indicate that not a single dammed one of the grown men who heard about it AT THE TIME made an effort to find out who the child was that had [maybe] just been raped by another grown man. They didn't want to know - knowing would force them to smear the reputation of their beloved university, coach, and game. Finding out whether a child had been injured was not as important to them.
THAT'S where they failed as human beings.

You know, it was not all that long ago that some EVIL lying dogs posted a story about an EO member who had been arrested for fighting in a bar while he was up north on a deer hunt. There where some in here who BOUGHT that swill. IF that EO's member's carrier had BELIEVED that swill the INNOCENT member, who WAS a victim of LIES, could have lost HIS job. Ruining NOT only HIS life, but his WIFE'S life as well. Worse than losing their business, home, car, etc, their REPUTATIONS would have been destroyed.

Those LIES were unproven allegations. NO ONE should be PUNISHED based on allegations ALONE!

That is REAL life. It HAPPENS.