Should we worry?

[layoutshooter]

OK, here is a link to an article and video posted by a wacko who wants Detroit area Muslims to attack.

"In a 48-minute recording posted on the Internet, Adam Gadahn -- a native of California who is now al-Qaida's American spokesman -- called upon Muslims living in what he called "the miserable suburbs of Paris, London, Detroit" to attack Americans, citing as examples the Ft. Hood shooter in Texas and the man who tried to set off a bomb on a plane descending into Detroit Metro Airport on Christmas Day. "

The entire story is linked below. It is too long to post in here. Have fun!! VERY interesting reading? I wonder if this "nut" case knows just how many of us in the Detroit area are armed? Does he REALLY think that we would just sit around and do NOTHING like they do in Europe? IF they started to attack and the government did NOTHING like they have been lately, sooner or later, we would respond in kind. If he wants a war, he will have it.







Video urges Detroit area Muslims to attack


Video urges Detroit area Muslims to attack | freep.com | Detroit Free Press

 

[greg334]

No, should we?

I think that this is the same old crap. There are enough chances for something to happen, having some disenfranchised American saying to rise up and do something may seem to be a bit too much for many who question his loyalty to Islam.

Do you really think that those who are on the fence to do something will be promoted to actually do something because some American guy tells them to?

It is funny though, odd that is, that many who are a threat to us are not even born into the religion but converts who have no hope to begin and try to fit into something in their world. These are the ones who I am told are not to be trusted the most.

 

[layoutshooter]

Who knows what some half baked nut case might do. There is no doubt that there are "cells" in the area. Not all Muslims that live in the area are there for a "better life". Most are to be sure. I don't really expect much to happen, BUT, it could. How do we know that this video is not a "signal" to "sleeper cells" to start an operation? I know that it a bit "blatant" to be sure, BUT, not all of these people are the sharpest tacks in the box and it MIGHT take something like this to set it up. No harm in being a little more vigilant.

 

[greg334]

I think if it was a signal to a sc, then it would be worded a bit different.

Honestly I won't let them win, so that means not worrying about the BS and hope that the government actually finds the guy and kills him.

 

[Turtle]

Muslims are supposed to be killing infidels all the time, anyway. How come they haven't been doing that in Dearborn? Are they shirking their responsibility as good Muslims? It's not like they're gonna get in trouble for killing infidels or anything, because as we all know, Sharia law is well entrenched there.

 

[layoutshooter]

Muslims are supposed to be killing infidels all the time, anyway. How come they haven't been doing that in Dearborn? Are they shirking their responsibility as good Muslims? It's not like they're gonna get in trouble for killing infidels or anything, because as we all know, Sharia law is well entrenched there.

Funny. By the way an "infidel" is a person who does not believe, NOT only in the Muslim religion, but anyone who believes in Christ or the Jewish faith. They are considered "believers in the book" if I remember the term correctly. They are NOT allowed to kill Jews or Christians IF they are following the law.

Paying attention is just smart. Fearing for fears sake is not.

 

[Turtle]

A minor and largely inconsequential correction, it's "people of The Book".

When you're in a jihad, infidel takes on a new meaning, and is anything or anyone that is an enemy of Islam. This includes, clearly, other Muslims who don't see things in the same way as the jihadists.

But of course, it's not about religion at all, it's about power, it's about terrorism and murder for fun and profit.

It kind of reminds me of days gone past, back on the eve of the war in Iraq, when President George Bush uttered words that caused many in the world to cringe, but went largely over the heads of the American people: ''This is a new kind of -- a new kind of evil,'' he said. ''And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.''

Ah, the good ol' days. They still ring true.

 

[layoutshooter]

"People of the Book" that's it, thanks. It is been MANY years since I took those courses.

I don't really think that much will happen, but then as I said before, only a fool does not pay attention to what is going on around him.

 

[Turtle]

The problem is, some Dearborn Muslim and some Detroit non-Muslim are going to get into it over something not even remotely related to religion, and all Hеll's gonna break loose. It's kind of like, some homosexual gets attacked in a dispute over, say, money, and because he's a homosexual it's now a hate crime, even though homosexuality had nothing to do with it. The same thing's gonna happen with Christians and/or Muslims here, be it in Detroit or Lower Manhattan.

 

[layoutshooter]

The problem is, some Dearborn Muslim and some Detroit non-Muslim are going to get into it over something not even remotely related to religion, and all Hеll's gonna break loose. It's kind of like, some homosexual gets attacked in a dispute over, say, money, and because he's a homosexual it's now a hate crime, even though homosexuality had nothing to do with it. The same thing's gonna happen with Christians and/or Muslims here, be it in Detroit or Lower Manhattan.

I don't THINK that will happen, at least I hope not. Now, IF there is an "attack" of some sort, then, watch out.

Most people do NOT want this to happen here. Muslims/Christians/Jew and pagans alike.

We shall see. That is the hard part about putting up stories like this one. It is valid to report this, we do have a right to know. It can lead to the problems of which you speak as well.

We just have to hope that no "real" attacks happen and that people just let this slide past them as most seem to be doing with every other such story.

 

[RLENT]

Muslims are supposed to be killing infidels all the time, anyway. How come they haven't been doing that in Dearborn?

While on a secret/stealth fact-finding mission up there in Dearborn I discovered the very reason - over there at Michigan & Oakman.

It boils down to a single thing and can be clearly summed up in three succinct words:

Too much latte

Never underestimate the power of the Green Goddess to lure anyone - no matter their faith - to a road (paved with White Chocolate Mocha) leading straight to perdition .....

 

[TonyG]

Does he REALLY think that we would just sit around and do NOTHING like they do in Europe?

Hello - Sue here

I am English - can you clarify the above comment please

Many thanks

Sue

 

[greg334]

AND what do pagans have to do with it?

The historical context to the some of the word "enemy" in Islam seems to be something to do with pagans and alike religions, not with Christians or Jews. Those seem to be a modern issue.

 

[layoutshooter]

Hello - Sue here

I am English - can you clarify the above comment please

Many thanks

Sue

Hi Sue, Nice to meet you!! We lived in England for 5 years in Harrogate, North Yorkshire. We really enjoyed our tour over there. (except for Yorkshire's rotten weather)

What I meant about Europe sitting back was looking into history. Europe sat back and allowed a Hitler AND a Stalin to take power and control and murder millions. Much as we are sitting back doing little now. It amazes me how so many people just blindly marched into train cars or into gas chambers without a fight.

Things must have changed a bit. When we lived in England most, not all, of the English people we knew did NOT consider themselves part of Europe. They were English, period.

 

[layoutshooter]

AND what do pagans have to do with it?

The historical context to the some of the word "enemy" in Islam seems to be something to do with pagans and alike religions, not with Christians or Jews. Those seem to be a modern issue.

I meant that in this country that most, but by no means all, people of faith or no faith would prefer to just live their lives quietly and peacefully. Include the guy I used to work with who worshiped trees.

I was not speaking in the historical context.

 

[TonyG]

Things must have changed a bit. When we lived in England most, not all, of the English people we knew did NOT consider themselves part of Europe. They were English, period.

LOL hence I said I was English

I was born and raised in the SW (Devon) but lived most of my life about an hour or so away from London, in the Countryside - a place called Thame.
Tony says to let you know its where Mr Bean lives then you will know LOL

Nice to met you too

 

[layoutshooter]

LOL hence I said I was English

I was born and raised in the SW (Devon) but lived most of my life about an hour or so away from London, in the Countryside - a place called Thame.
Tony says to let you know its where Mr Bean lives then you will know LOL

Nice to met you too

Never got to spend much time down in that area. Went to Dover for a weekend once and took a 4 day weekend in Wales. Most of our time was spent up north. Did fish the Itchen (sp?) a couple of times. Love those chalk streams. Someday I will remember the town that I was fishing near. It was SW of London. I do remember "Mr. Bean"!!! We were there from 1976-81.

 

[greg334]

What I meant about Europe sitting back was looking into history. Europe sat back and allowed a Hitler AND a Stalin to take power and control and murder millions. Much as we are sitting back doing little now. It amazes me how so many people just blindly marched into train cars or into gas chambers without a fight.

I understand to a point the Hitler part with your statement, you need to read a bit more about the actual history to understand why things happened the way they happened, but Stalin?

Who in Europe would have stopped Stalin?

Surely you don't get the part that the Soviet Union was a closed society from the 20's on, before he got into power.

After the war, three people wanted to attack the Soviets, one with the Germans who in reality would have rebelled at the idea - 6 years of war was too much for them.

As for England, it is a great country to a point. Just like everywhere else it has some problems and that's the point. I worked with a lot of Brits, they are great people to work with and for. I think the English have put up a great fight against the EU by refusing to relinquish the Pound for the Euro but when they do do that, it is all over for them and they will just be another satellite nation of another Soviet style government. Italy regrets the move, they lost a lot of their identity with the move.

So Sue how far away from Robin Gibb did you live?

 

[layoutshooter]

I understand to a point the Hitler part with your statement, you need to read a bit more about the actual history to understand why things happened the way they happened, but Stalin?

Who in Europe would have stopped Stalin?

Surely you don't get the part that the Soviet Union was a closed society from the 20's on, before he got into power.

After the war, three people wanted to attack the Soviets, one with the Germans who in reality would have rebelled at the idea - 6 years of war was too much for them.

As for England, it is a great country to a point. Just like everywhere else it has some problems and that's the point. I worked with a lot of Brits, they are great people to work with and for. I think the English have put up a great fight against the EU by refusing to relinquish the Pound for the Euro but when they do do that, it is all over for them and they will just be another satellite nation of another Soviet style government. Italy regrets the move, they lost a lot of their identity with the move.

So Sue how far away from Robin Gibb did you live?

Hitler could have and should have been stopped. I know how and why he was able to come to power. I understand the situation in post WWI Germany that led to a Hitler.

Many in Europe saw what was going on in Russia after the 1917 revolt. What was worse was allowing it to continue AFTER WWII. Europe, and the United States, COULD have put an end to it.

Part of the reason that did not happen was that Europe was tired of wars, for good reason. Part of the problem was that in Europe, and the U.S. to a lesser degree, there was support for Soviet style rule. The "communist" movement was greatly entrenched in Europe by that time. There are always people who want to have power over others. The "sheeple" tend to allow themselves to be controlled.

We see it here now. The more "socialist" we become, the more our "kindly government" does for us, the lazier we are and the more "control" we are willing to accept. We have many in this country now who have become SO dependent on government that they are no longer able to function on their own. Many in my family are like that. I am sure you know many as well. They would not have the sense NOT to just blindly march into the chambers.

 

[layoutshooter]

I understand to a point the Hitler part with your statement, you need to read a bit more about the actual history to understand why things happened the way they happened, but Stalin?

Who in Europe would have stopped Stalin?

Surely you don't get the part that the Soviet Union was a closed society from the 20's on, before he got into power.

After the war, three people wanted to attack the Soviets, one with the Germans who in reality would have rebelled at the idea - 6 years of war was too much for them.

As for England, it is a great country to a point. Just like everywhere else it has some problems and that's the point. I worked with a lot of Brits, they are great people to work with and for. I think the English have put up a great fight against the EU by refusing to relinquish the Pound for the Euro but when they do do that, it is all over for them and they will just be another satellite nation of another Soviet style government. Italy regrets the move, they lost a lot of their identity with the move.

So Sue how far away from Robin Gibb did you live?

Hitler could have and should have been stopped. I know how and why he was able to come to power. I understand the situation in post WWI Germany that led to a Hitler.

Many in Europe saw what was going on in Russia after the 1917 revolt. What was worse was allowing it to continue AFTER WWII. Europe, and the United States, COULD have put an end to it.

Part of the reason that did not happen was that Europe was tired of wars, for good reason. Part of the problem was that in Europe, and the U.S. to a lesser degree, there was support for Soviet style rule. The "communist" movement was greatly entrenched in Europe by that time. There are always people who want to have power over others. The "sheeple" tend to allow themselves to be controlled.

We see it here now. The more "socialist" we become, the more our "kindly government" does for us, the lazier we are and the more "control" we are willing to accept. We have many in this country now who have become SO dependent on government that they are no longer able to function on their own. Many in my family are like that. I am sure you know many as well. They would not have the sense NOT to just blindly march into the chambers.