Say the word gun, get suspended

layoutshooter

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Let's see, that seems to violate the 1st Amendment, the 4th Amendment, and assumes the that is no 2nd Amendment. Kinda seems like they are stepping ALL OVER the Bill of Rights. Kinda like Obama is doing. It stinks from the top down.
 

Tennesseahawk

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A Seal? And he let a deputy coerce him into letting law enforcement into his house? At least it worked into his head. But a Seal? LOL
 

layoutshooter

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A Seal? And he let a deputy coerce him into letting law enforcement into his house? At least it worked into his head. But a Seal? LOL


The deputy was armed, he was likely not at the time. If he was his firearm would have been taken from him, or they would have just killed him.
 

cheri1122

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I'm having a tough time accepting that this incident is factual, as it supposedly happened 6 months ago, and is unsubstantiated by anyone other than the man who says it happened. The school officials aren't allowed to comment, citing privacy laws, but one did say that a suspension requires a clear breaking of a rule. Which is where I have a problem: the word 'gun' is against the rules?
I'm just not buying it.
Not at all.
Anyone who accepts it at face value is waaaaay too easily persuaded, IMO.
 

Ragman

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I'm having a tough time accepting that this incident is factual, as it supposedly happened 6 months ago, and is unsubstantiated by anyone other than the man who says it happened. The school officials aren't allowed to comment, citing privacy laws, but one did say that a suspension requires a clear breaking of a rule. Which is where I have a problem: the word 'gun' is against the rules?
I'm just not buying it.
Not at all.
Anyone who accepts it at face value is waaaaay too easily persuaded, IMO.

Consider the news source - Fox News. Enough said.
 

Turtle

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The parents should have lawsuits going in multiple directions.
I agree, and I'm not a big fan of litigation. But in this case, it appears that litigation is the only recourse. I'd be suing all kinds of people on this one.
 

Turtle

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I'm having a tough time accepting that this incident is factual, as it supposedly happened 6 months ago, and is unsubstantiated by anyone other than the man who says it happened.
Go to the original source of the story and you'll see that it is absolutely substantiated by Robin Welsh, the deputy superintendent of Calvert County Schools.

The citing of privacy laws is a cop out that many school officials use when they are put in the hot seat about stupid decisions they make. In this case, if a rule was indeed broken that warranted a suspension to ensure the safety of the school, why reduce it to a single day, which is a punishment, and not the full suspension? Having been intimately involved with a public school board, that one doesn't pass the smell test.

I'm just not buying it.
Not at all.
Anyone who accepts it at face value is waaaaay too easily persuaded, IMO.
Considering the propensity that an overabundance of school officials have shown for emotional knee-jerk reactions over harmless actions by children, especially recently in Maryland, it shouldn't bee too easily doubted and dismissed at face value, either.
 

cheri1122

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Principal Darrel Prioleau did not respond to calls and emails seeking comment. Robin Welsh, the deputy superintendent of Calvert County Schools, said federal privacy rules prohibited her from commenting on a specific case, but she said students are not suspended without cause.
"There has to be some violation within the code of conduct that would trigger some type of consequence or intervention," said Welsh, who said the county school system does not have a zero tolerance policy.

How is this considered "absolutely substantiated"?
I agree that school officials often overreact [but then, we live in a country where an innocent private plane blundering into 'restricted' air space results in the Air Force scrambling fighter jets to escort it to a landing], and especially when they have 'zero tolerance' policies, but nothing Ms Welsh said confirms the allegations of the father.
C'mon: the single word 'gun' results in not just a suspension, but a home search by Sheriff's deputies?
I'm still not buying it. Particularly after the father waited 6 months to get outraged enough to call the radio station. If it were my kid, I'd be on the phone to the ACLU before the deputies had the first room of my home tossed.
 

Turtle

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It's absolutely substantiated because it's a non-denial denial, it's what she could have said and didn't. Again, there are no federal privacy laws preventing her from discussing this case. None.

"C'mon: the single word 'gun' results in not just a suspension, but a home search by Sheriff's deputies?"

In light of all the recent knee-jerk reactions and in the context of immediately following the Sandy Hook shootings, I can see where the principle construed to the deputy that "I wish I had a gun..." was an imminent or credible threat which could result in the overreaction of probable cause for an immediate warrantless search. It's not like law enforcement hasn't ever done that before.

It seems rather clear what motivated the father to relate the story to the radio station.

As far as "innocent" planes flying into restricted air space, no one with a pilot's license is unaware of restricted air spaces. Everyone who files a flight plan knows precisely where they can and cannot fly. If the pilot "blunders" into restricted space, he deserves exactly what he gets.
 

cheri1122

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No federal privacy laws that prevent school officials from publicly discussing a disciplinary case? I find that hard to believe too, as the law kept me from discussing any patients when I was a nurse, and the legal & law enforcement fields are tightly bound by privacy laws too - seems education, involving minors, would be equally protective of privacy concerns.
OTOH, maybe you're right, and she is just covering her behind in case of a potential lawsuit - that seems reasonable in this day & age.
What she did say is that there has to be a violation of the code of Conduct, so if the word 'gun' is a violation, why wouldn't she say so? It's not like a super sekrit classified document, right? Other parents can certainly provide the Code to interested parties, if the school officials are too weaselly to do it.
That they haven't is telling, IMO.
 

layoutshooter

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Why would there be federal privacy laws for a local issue? :confused: School rules are none of the feds business, or at least they should not be.
 

cheri1122

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I know that pilots need to know where there boundaries are, but the problem they have is the same one I have when the sign says "All trucks use right lane": I wouldn't have a problem, if they would quit moving the boundaries, sigh. [As in making the right lane, or 2 right lanes, exit only. Or adding one with a new entrance.] :p
 

BobWolf

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You can only fire the non-union free thinking infidels. Oboma supporters and unions get a free pass.

Bob Wolf
 

layoutshooter

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You can only fire the non-union free thinking infidels. Oboma supporters and unions get a free pass.

Bob Wolf


Those 7 or 8 people who are still paying taxes can just move away and then there would be no taxes to support the stupid.
 

Turtle

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No federal privacy laws that prevent school officials from publicly discussing a disciplinary case? I find that hard to believe too, as the law kept me from discussing any patients when I was a nurse, and the legal & law enforcement fields are tightly bound by privacy laws too - seems education, involving minors, would be equally protective of privacy concerns.
There's a world of difference between discussing medical patients and that of the very public school system and its operations. The "Federal privacy laws" that this and many school administrators like to hide behind to CYA is FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974).

It's the federal law (applicable to schools which receive federal funding) that protects the privacy of student education records. FERPA gives parents certain rights with respect to their children's education records. Those rights transfer to the student when he or she reaches the age of 18 or attends a school beyond the high school level. There are exceptions to who has access to the records, of course, like school officials, accrediting officials, other schools to which a student is transferring, appropriate parties in connection with financial aid to the student, officials related to health or medical emergencies, and to comply with court orders.

In other words, these records are not public records (as we are all well aware from The Obama Experience), unless the parents (or "eligible student" - 18 years old or in school beyond high school) give explicit permission for all or part of them to be public.

These records include all the things you'd assume they would, like test scores, classes taken, attendance, and including disciplinary records. And it's that last one that school officials hide behind when they're on the hot seat for a brain-fart decision that becomes public.

While permission is usually given in writing by the parents to release information, when the child or the parents go public with all or part of the records, that's also explicit permission, expressly given, and the school officials really can't hide behind FERPA. But, the phrase"federal privacy laws" will stop 99 out of 100 reporters in their tracks. And the school officials know it. They use it as a cop out to prevent themselves from being scrutinized in public for their ridiculous decisions, to avoid having to take public responsibility for their actions.

OTOH, maybe you're right, and she is just covering her behind in case of a potential lawsuit - that seems reasonable in this day & age.
That's certainly part of it. When you admit to and discuss a butt-stoopid decision, you not only look ridiculous, but you open yourself wide open to a lawsuit. Better that mum be the word.

What she did say is that there has to be a violation of the code of Conduct, so if the word 'gun' is a violation, why wouldn't she say so? It's not like a super sekrit classified document, right? Other parents can certainly provide the Code to interested parties, if the school officials are too weaselly to do it.
That they haven't is telling, IMO.
It's very telling. Everything about this screams butt-stoopid decision that they don't want to own.
 
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