power source

youngsamuel

Seasoned Expediter
I am looking for a way to have a power source for my truck. I have a 2000 FL60 that has an extended cab for s sleeper. All I care to run is a laptop and a 12 volt electric blanket. I will look for a way to cool the cab in spring. I have two true gel cells under the bunk that I purchased at a great price. Any ideas?
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
well, just a few ideas, just tossing them out there.... you could use the gel cells under the bunk for power. Or, you could use the gel cells under the bunk for power, or, for that matter, you could just use the gel cells under the bunk for power.
 

youngsamuel

Seasoned Expediter
turtle, maybe I should have made myself more clear any ideas on " HOW TO HOOK UP WHAT I HAVE ?". I appreciate your thoughtfulness however here is how it is done. A combiner is installed between the starters and auxillaries. This will prevent power from being drawn from the starters when the truck is off , and will also prevent the gels from being overcharged which will RUIN them.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I re-read last years thread "Batteries and Cranking Amps" by clicking on the link Scott provided above. I came across the following quote by one of EO's battery experts.

"A word about battery monitors. I keep on suggesting the Xantrex Battery Monitor. I don't want anyone to get the idea that I'm pushing Xantrex, 'cause I'm not."

When I finished reading the thread I Googled xantrex battery monitor and found this:

Xantrex Power Chargers & Inverters

Go ahead, click on it and see where it takes you!
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
LOL!! I clicked it and, WOW, who'd have thought!!! :D

But i have to be honest, i figured it would take me to a porn site!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Young Samuel, oh, OK, got it. One thing you need to be aware of, and if you're so inclined it's buried deep within the link that Scott101 provided, is that more than likely, the charging system of the truck will different than the charging requirements of those gel batteries. The truck's charging system is designed to charge the truck's batteries, which will have different charging requirements than gels will. Meaning, the alternator will output the correct voltage and current that the truck batteries require, which may or may not be (trust me, it won't be) the same that the gels require. The result will be gels that are charged at the wrong voltage: at too high of a voltage which will kill them quickly, or chronically undercharged which will kill them not quite as quickly as too high a voltage will, but they'll be just as dead.

Gels are super picky about the voltage with respect to the battery temperature, with the voltage requirements being in a very narrow range of acceptability. For example, if it's 25° F outside, the colder truck batteries will require a higher voltage in order to be charged (colder the battery is, the higher the voltage needed), which may be 14.3-14.5 volts.

I'm not sure where you get that the battery combiner will prevent the gels from being overcharged, since a combiner simply links, or combines, all batteries into one. When the gels are connected to the truck's batteries via a battery combiner they will receive from the alternator the same charging voltage and current as the truck system starting batteries. If the temperature of the gels and of the truck batteries are about the same, it's not a problem, but if the truck batteries are 25° and the internal temperature of the gels are 65° inside the bunk, then the gels will be severely fried by the 14.5 or so volts that the much colder batteries will be getting from the alternator.

At 65° gels require a minimum of 13.7 volts to charge at all, and a maximum of 14.1 or they'll fry dead. Just .1 or .2 too much voltage at any given temperature, for any length of time at all, and gels will die a very quick and painful death. Quick, as in meaning, at the top of your Today's To-Do List would be "go buy new batteries".

Like I said, tho, if the truck's batteries and the gels are always nearly the same temperature, within 10 or 15 degrees, then you shouldn't have any problems. Gels make great batteries for boats, since charging systems on boats are easily configurable for multiple charging and regulated voltages. And they're pretty good for campers and others that use isolated, regulated charging systems via generators and shore power. Gels have the huge advantage over AGM batteries in that they can be routinely discharged much deeper without capacity loss, and they have sometimes as many as twice the charge cycle lifespan of AGM's. But that one big drawback for many applications is the critically sensitive voltage requirements they have.

If the truck's system batteries are also gel batteries, then they will all receive the same voltage and current as the bunk batteries, so there's no problem there. But the problem with gel starting batteries is the available CCA of gels falls to nearly zero as temperatures drop below 30° F.

If you have a generator on the truck, there ya go, just connect a battery charger to the generator and use that to charge the gel batteries. If you're going to charge the gels off the truck's alternator, then you'll have to figure out a way to separate out the gels via an isolated, programmable voltage regulator that is programmed speficially for gel batteries, or figure out some other way to get one alternator to output two different and correct voltages at same time.

Or, just hook 'em up with an isolator or combiner and hope for the best. Just don't be shocked when they work one day, but not the next. If you're lucky and they aren't overcharged even that one time, then they should last a long time.
 

M A WEBSTER

Expert Expediter
Don't know where you have the gell batteries installed. Bit I would buy a small power inverter 750w (). Hook it up to your truck batteries. Buy a small battery charger from Wal-Mart and keep you batteries charged that way. The charger wont over charge your batteries. Hope ihts might help
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
YoungSamuel: since it's clear that you don't have an APU (auxiliary power unit, or generator), if you need power when the truck is off, you'll need an inverter. How large an inverter is the question, and the answer can be found on the site Inverters R Us - wholly uninspired name, but excellent info on inverters: how to choose what kind & how much, etc, etc, etc. The laptop doesn't need much, but I don't know about that electric blanket (a 12 volt?):confused:
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Ahhhh ....... the terrapin's work is never done ... I'm thinkin' ya ought to write all this stuff up, stick it in a PDF, put up a website with the PDF on it and charge a buck to read or download it ..... you'd probably get rich ...... :p
 

youngsamuel

Seasoned Expediter
Turtle,
I appreciate all the info it was very informative. Have you ever heard of a Yandina combiner? I found it on the web and it claims to have a regulator built in that will protect gels. Although I am thinking a small generator would be more beneficial for me because come summer gels won't cool me off. I have searched EO and I dont know if a good generator exists?. Thanks again further input is appreciated. I have a 28" sleeper so I should only require a small unit. I am not looking for all the bells and whistles just to keep cool, warm and run the laptop. Thanks again, Youngsamuel
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Yeah, I've head of Yandina combiners. Seem 'em. They're designed primarily for house boats that have an alternator that generally puts out slightly more than 15 volts, which is needed for traditional wet batteries (like the Tojans that you have to add water to). They allow you to quickly recharge the cranking battery, as well as use the high voltage for longer periods of time to "equalize" the battery on a regular basis. You basically want an alternator that puts put at least 14.5 volts at all times in order to use a Yandina.

Hooking a house bank to an alternator like this via a Yandina works well to charge the house bank. The Yandina connects the starting and house bank when the charging voltage reaches 13.2 volts, and then cuts off and isolates the house bank if the voltage coming out of the house bank reaches more than (I think) 14.2 volts.

Sometimes 14.2, 14.1, even 14.0 volts as a maximum voltage for gels can be too high (if they are warmer than about 90 degrees, which can happen easily), so be careful.

The Yandina isn't really a voltage regulator as much as it is a voltage sensing relay with a high voltage limiter. Well, yeah, it'll regulate the voltage to the house bank at between 13.2-14.2 volts, but that's a pretty wide range. It senses those two voltages, but it doesn't sense anything else, so in that sense it's not really a regulator. But it'll probably work for your needs.

For me personally, I'd want a separately regulated charging system for gels that has temperature compensation. Gels are just too picky. But you've got them already, so you might as well give it a shot, especially if you're eventually going to get a generator, anyway. With a generator you can leave the combiner in place, and then also hook shore power to a programmable regulated charger (please don't skimp, get a really good charger) to ensure full and proper charging in a regular basis.

As for generators on a straight truck, I dunno. I'd be looking at Onan almost exclusively, tho. You'll want 3000 watts minimum, 5000 watts would be better. That'll be enough to run a rooftop AC as well as run a charger for the house bank.
 
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