Oil continues it decline

themagicoen

Expert Expediter
Just checked in on current prices and it's around $55 a barrel. Gas futures dropped another .10 a gallon also. Around MN the lowest price is $1.81/Gallon. Diesel can't be too far behind with the decline. I personally never thought gas would be this cheap again. Even with the declines I doubt any company that raised rates or started charging FSC is going to lighten up on those. I heard about the job losses at DHL but I'm not sure if anyone else has heard about the up to 40k they are cutting from the USPS -

SHREVEPORT, LA (KSLA) - “We lost 2 billion dollars and like any other business we have to stay afloat.” And to keep from sinking, the United States Postal Service is considering cutting thousands of jobs nationwide. Lavelle Pepper with the post office in Shreveport says they too are feeling the affects of the same disease hitting the country… a struggling economy. “We employ about 685,000 people. If we do layoffs it would include clerks, carriers, mail handlers across all crafts.”

Pepper says the postal service is looking to eliminate 40,000 jobs nationwide. There’s not an exact number on how many of those could be from the Ark-La-Tex. Pepper says workers who are not part of union with six or less years of service would likely be the first on the chopping block. “We’ve identified 16 thousand people that are not covered under contract. We’ll see what those numbers add up to.”
 

x06col

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US Army
Yes and, with the loss of jobs and availabel loads, don't matter what it gets down to. If you can't afford to buy it. Makes little difference if it gits to a buck a gallon, if ya only got seventy five cent. I am curious to observe how all this'll affect the don't wanna attitude.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Yes and, with the loss of jobs and availabel loads, don't matter what it gets down to. If you can't afford to buy it. Makes little difference if it gits to a buck a gallon, if ya only got seventy five cent. I am curious to observe how all this'll affect the don't wanna attitude.


The folks with the "don't wanna attitude" have their trucks listed in the EO classifieds or sitting in a bank lot somewhere.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
A thinning of the herd is always good....it'll really help the independants and you too Dave to fill your trucks quicker as the carriers will have to post more uncovered loads because of thier dwindling fleets...
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Very True

Every slow down has a silver lining in it if you know where to look.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Lower fuel prices are a bright spot and welcome good news in my view. While the fuel surcharge will drop with the price, so will our operating expenses. In theory, at least, lower costs should make it easier for shippers to ship goods. With cold weather coming, generator use will increase. Generators save fuel but use fuel too. Running them on lower-price fuel is better than on higher-price fuel. The cost of deadheading will decrease as fuel prices decrease. It would be nice to see fuel prices continue their downward trend.
 

geo

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with prices coming down like they are in july at the high point of 4.799 cost 1,500 to run
now in nov down to 2.899 about 650.00
making a differents now with the lower prices
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
This little reprieve should help retailers this Christmas and maybe bump the economy a bit...people have more disposal income to spend....cause you know Americans don't save.....
 

Sparticus

Seasoned Expediter
And with the recent decreases,

Has anyone heard any credit given to the BUSH ADMIN?

Not very likely!!, but it is only fair right.
All you "Bush-haters" blamed his admin for high fuel, Why not give him credit when prices drop?
 

Bruno

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Fleet Owner
US Marines
Fuel cost is the reason for all the lay offs if you look at the big picture. It all started with truck drivers. I said this a few years back. When truck drivers don't eat meals in the truck stops and so on because they are trying to save money for fuel. Then all the ladies that work at the truck stops that depend on tips don't have money to go to Wal-Mart, Fashion Bug and so on to buy things. Which helps our business, because if people aren't buying things we have no freight to move.

So many things that helps run the good old USA. The hard working people that makes under $50,000 a year (The Middle Class People). That's why cars are not selling because people can't afford to buy the fuel that runs them. It was costing three times as much to fill up their cars just to get to work.

Back when I started in 1995 you could fill up a truck for with two 75 gallon tanks for $110.00. When Bush went into office fuel was at $1.25 per gallon which was costing $150.00 for the same truck. That same truck at the highest cost of fuel was costing us over $625.00 to fill up. Thats $500.00 more than it was 8 years before he took office. Now that these two oil men have made billions off the people of the USA they are leaving the White House and fuel is going back down. I think George W. Bush will go down as the worse President in the history of the USA. He is the main reason Mc Cain lost.

Like Phil Madison and DaveKc posted things are going to be slower in 2009. Pray for bad weather this winter because it seems to help the expedite business.
 

Sparticus

Seasoned Expediter
Fuel cost is the reason for all the lay offs if you look at the big picture.
You're right, Bruno. Lay-offs are caused by high fuel cost! It doesn't have anything to do with...
-Greedy, over-payed, lazy union workers pricing themselves out of the market.
-Union forced regulations on the company to pay life-long retirement wages.
-Lower corporate taxes on business in other countries
-EPA regulations on manufacturing
-Cost of utilities due to lack of new energy generation in USA, ie Nuclear power plants
-TOO Many others to list

That's why cars are not selling because people can't afford to buy the fuel that runs them.
You're right, again.
It has nothing to do with...
-The general population spending outside of their means
-Mortgaging themselves beyond their abilities to repay it
-Maxing out Home Equity to 125% of appraised value so they could go on vacation
-Maxing out credit cards
-"Needing" the newest tech item on the market
-Individual and financial responsability

Now that these two oil men have made billions off the people of the USA they are leaving the White House and fuel is going back down.
Could you please back this up with verifiable data. Or is it your way to just make assumptions and consider them fact?

He is the main reason Mc Cain lost.
Yep, it had nothing to do with...
-A natural flow of Political change, since Franklin Roosevelt then Truman(1933-1953), no political party has held presidential power for more than 3 terms. Prior to that it was 1869-1885 (R) had control
-Obama's "Re-Nig" on utilizing public funding for campaign and generating the ability to outspend McCain
-McCain supporting socialist programs like the 700 billion bank buyout, not bail out.
-More "Swing" Independents voting than ever before
-And the list could go on.
 
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Bruno

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Fleet Owner
US Marines
You're right, Bruno. Lay-offs are caused by high fuel cost! It doesn't have anything to do with...
-Greedy, over-payed, lazy union workers pricing themselves out of the market.
-Union forced regulations on the company to pay life-long retirement wages.
-Lower corporate taxes on business in other countries
-EPA regulations on manufacturing
-Cost of utilities due to lack of new energy generation in USA, ie Nuclear power plants
-TOO Many others to list


You're right, again.
It has nothing to do with...
-The general population spending outside of their means
-Mortgaging themselves beyond their abilities to repay it
-Maxing out Home Equity to 125% of appraised value so they could go on vacation
-Maxing out credit cards
-"Needing" the newest tech item on the market
-Individual and financial responsability


Could you please back this up with verifiable data. Or is it your way to just make assumptions and consider them fact?


Yep, it had nothing to do with...
-A natural flow of Political change, since Franklin Roosevelt then Truman(1933-1953), no political party has held presidential power for more than 3 terms. Prior to that it was 1869-1885 (R) had control
-Obama's "Re-Nig" on utilizing public funding for campaign and generating the ability to outspend McCain
-McCain supporting socialist programs like the 700 billion bank buyout, not bail out.
-More "Swing" Independents voting than ever before
-And the list could go on.

Yes Mr. Dick Cheney and George W. Bush are Oil men. Where have you been? Remember I'm a Republican.

But here is the data you wanted.

Bush Was In Oil Industry For Nearly 20 Years. In 1975, Bush moved back to Midland after graduate
school and entered the oil business. Bush's first company was called “Arbusto” and later changed to
“Bush Exploration Co.” In 1984, Bush Exploration Co. merged with Spectrum 7 Exploration and Bush
was named CEO. In 1986, Spectrum 7 was bought out by Harken Exploration and Bush got a seat on
the board where he received annual consulting fees ranging from $50,000 to $120,000. During this
time, Bush also joined the board of Tom Brown Inc, an oil company run by Don Evans, who later
became his 2000 presidential campaign chair and went on to become Commerce Secretary. Bush
served on the board of Tom Brown until 1994. [Business Line, 8/7/02; Associated Press, 8/2/99]
Vice President Cheney Was Former CEO of Halliburton. Prior to his candidacy for Vice President,
Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton, the world’s largest oil field services company. In August 2000,
Cheney received compensation for his sale of a portion of his Halliburton stock and the Congressional
Research Service found that under federal ethics laws, both Cheney’s deferred compensation and his
unexercised stock options as a lingering financial interest in the company. [Washington Post, 9/26/03]
The Bush/Cheney Campaign Is The Largest Recipient Of Campaign Contributions From Oil And
Gas Industry. From 2000- 2004 the Bush/Cheney campaign received $4,232,941 in campaign
contributions from the oil and gas industry. [Center for Responsive Politics, Campaign Finance Data, 2000-2004]
• 2000-2004: 45 Pioneers From The Oil And Gas Industry. From 2000-2004 45 Pioneers, who
each pledged to raise at least $100,000 for the 2000 and 2004 Bush/Cheney campaign were from
the oil and gas industry. [White House For Sale, www.whitehouseforsale.org]
• 2000-2004: 7 rangers From The Oil And Gas Industry: From 2000-2004, 7 Rangers, who each
pledged to raise at least $200,000 for the 2000 and 2004 Bush/Cheney campaign were from the oil
and gas industry. [White House For Sale, www.whitehouseforsale.org]
 
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Sparticus

Seasoned Expediter
But here is the data you wanted.

I understand all of that, but it still does not support your claim.
Now that these two oil men have made billions off the people of the USA they are leaving the White House and fuel is going back down.
You are insinuating they made billions during their 8 years in office, but your data is mostly pre-2000 with the exceptions of their campaign contributions (which cannot be used for personal use).

Not a smart thing to be posting on here when your suppose to be working during this time for Panther.

It is called multi-tasking. I have, at present time, 3 dispatch windows open, 6 web tabs open and in use, am assisting swap desk on recoveries since my workload is caught up at the moment, and am getting locals to a shipper for tractor.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I understand all of that, but it still does not support your claim.
You are insinuating they made billions during their 8 years in office, but your data is mostly pre-2000 with the exceptions of their campaign contributions (which cannot be used for personal use).



It is called multi-tasking. I have, at present time, 3 dispatch windows open, 6 web tabs open and in use, am assisting swap desk on recoveries since my workload is caught up at the moment, and am getting locals to a shipper for tractor.

Bush and Cheney both are in bed with the oil companies. Just last year Exxon made 40.6 Billion in profit. Come on you don't think Bush and Cheney made any money off of Oil? That was just one company.



Exxon Mobil delivers record profit
By Jad Mouawad Published: February 1, 2008


NEW YORK: By any measure, Exxon Mobil's performance last year was a blowout.

Thanks to surging oil prices, the company beat its own record for the highest profit ever recorded by a U.S. company, with net income rising 3 percent to $40.6 billion last year. The company's sales - over $404 billion - exceeded the gross domestic product of all but the 24 richest countries in the world.

Exxon also had its most profitable quarter ever. It said Friday that net income rose 14 percent to $11.7 billion, or $2.13 a share, in the fourth quarter. In addition, the company managed to beat analysts' expectations of $1.95 a share, after missing targets in the past two quarters.

Like most oil companies, Exxon has benefited from a near-doubling of oil prices, from a low of around $50 a barrel in early 2007 to almost $100 by the end of the year - the single biggest jump in oil prices in any one year.

With growth at all of its units, from oil production to its refining and chemicals business, Exxon squeezed the most out of these gains.

Today in Business with Reuters
Weak British economic data spur talk of stimulusLobbyists swarm the U.S. Treasury for a helping of bailout pieOnce red-hot, cards turn against Macao"Exxon sets the gold standard for the industry," said Fadel Gheit, a longtime oil analyst at Oppenheimer in New York.

Oil companies have all been reporting record profits in recent days. Chevron, the second-largest U.S. oil company, said Friday that its profit rose 9 percent to $18.7 billion last year.

But the higher profits in the industry mask a more contrasted reality.

Faced with the resurging power of national oil companies, like PetroChina, Petróleo Brasileiro of Brazil, or Gazprom of Russia - Western majors are having a hard time increasing their production and renewing reserves.

As oil prices increase, countries like Russia and Venezuela have tightened the screws on foreign investors, limiting access to energy resources or demanding a bigger share of the revenue. At the same time, many of the traditional production regions, like the North Sea or Alaska, are slowly drying up. The industry is also being pressured by rising costs and shortages of workers, rigs and engineering capacity.

Western majors, once dominant in the global energy business, now control only about 6 percent of the world's oil reserves. Last year, PetroChina overtook Exxon as the world's largest publicly traded oil company. Saudi Aramco, which is wholly owned by the Saudi government, pumps four times more oil than Exxon. It owns about 25 percent of the world's proven oil reserves.

Recently, a quarrel over a world-class discovery in Kazakhstan was resolved after an international consortium, which included Exxon, agreed to allow the Kazakh national oil company to double its stake in a multibillion-dollar venture. The agreement finally brought an end to a dispute that jeopardized the future of Kashagan, a large oil field in the Caspian Sea with an estimated 13 billion barrels of recoverable hydrocarbon reserves.

Tim Cejka, the president of Exxon's exploration business, acknowledged that access was getting tougher around the world. But he said that the industry had been through similar periods of more restricted access in the past.

"Access comes in cycles," Cejka said at an energy conference last month. "And I have got to admit, it's tough right now."

Global oil supplies were nearly flat last year, growing a mere 100,000 barrels a day to 85.5 million barrels on average, according to the International Energy Agency. Growth in Russia and the Middle East was offset by declines in the United States and the North Sea.

Oil demand last year grew by a million barrels to 85.8 million barrels.

Meanwhile, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which met Friday in Vienna, decided to leave its production levels unchanged, resisting pressure from developing nations to pump more oil into the global economy.

OPEC is scheduled to meet again next month, and the cartel signaled it would be ready to cut production then to make up for a seasonal slowdown in demand in the second quarter. OPEC's actions mean the cartel is determined to keep prices from falling below $80 a barrel, according to energy experts.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't know what Bush/Chaney could have done to spike high oil prices....Bush has always pushed for more off-shore drilling and the ANWR but the Dems always held him up....maybe the Dems had someting to gain somewhere?....the oilmen don't usual put all thier eggs in one basket if ya know what I mean...I find it coincidental that the Dems started to change course on off shore drilling as the election campaigning started....prices start to drop and the Dems take the credit and look like the hereos...give me a break....
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
And with the recent decreases,

Has anyone heard any credit given to the BUSH ADMIN?

Not very likely!!, but it is only fair right.
All you "Bush-haters" blamed his admin for high fuel, Why not give him credit when prices drop?

As a Republican I don't hate George W. Bush. I don't like the things he has done to cost John Mc Cain the White House and what he has done to this country. Unemployment is the hightest it been in over 30 years. You want to see a real Republican look up Mike Dewine from Ohio.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I don't know what Bush/Chaney could have done to spike high oil prices....Bush has always pushed for more off-shore drilling and the ANWR but the Dems always held him up....maybe the Dems had someting to gain somewhere?....the oilmen don't usual put all thier eggs in one basket if ya know what I mean...I find it coincidental that the Dems started to change course on off shore drilling as the election campaigning started....prices start to drop and the Dems take the credit and look like the hereos...give me a break....

OVM I agree 100% on drilling in ANWR but you know the dems are a pain when it comes to that. You know they don't want drilling there because it looks so PRETTY!! yea right. It's so cold there the bears would love a nice warm pileline to sleep by. I was saying that Bush is going to go down in history as the worse President ever because the way things are going with the USA. High Oil, The War, 911, all the house's get foreclosed on, unemployment the highest it's been in 30 plus years. I guess I should have said that the oil companies have made billions not Bush and Cheney. But I'm sure they made money too.
I know we went from paying a over $120,000 in diesel fuel for our trucks to paying over $250,000 last year in diesel fuel. So I'm not a happy.
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Its a segment of life we have little control over and when we are not in control we feel lost ...we are business people and supposd to have control...we feel we are not doing our jobs...this is not so....we slowdown...keep expenses down try to lower our debt...thats all we have control over...so saddle up cowboy...the range is yours for the taking...:)
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Thanks but I still wish Mc Cain would have won. Obama just don't have enough experience yet. We just need to fix Washington if you ask me.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
do you think McCain woulda fixed anything? Or just another 4 years of a boring admin...? It looks like voting Americans thought that OBama will shake up the old boys club....Well he's been handed the keys to the White House and the country, now is his turn to perform as promised.
 
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