No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists??

chefdennis

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Tie this bill with the lastest "memo" from "DHS" about "pro lifers, 3rd party supporters. returning military, those that believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as "possible" Right wing Terrorist, and you can see where or liberals in power are going.......they want to restrict guns to the people, even without a basis other then being "suspected" of being a terrorist....no need to confirm it at all, just think they are and bam!!!


Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists'
Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous'


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Posted: May 09, 2009
12:10 am Eastern
Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists'


By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others – any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism."

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any "known or suspected dangerous terrorist." The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is "appropriately suspected" of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general "has a reasonable belief" that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism.

Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being "dangerous."

"[Rep. King] would deny citizens their civil liberties based on no due process," objected Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. "A 'known terrorist?' Look, if the guy has committed an act of terrorism, we shouldn't have to worry about him being able to buy a gun; he should be in jail!"

Pratt further warned WND of the potential overlap of H.R. 2159 and a recent DHS memo that warned against potential violence from "right-wing extremists," such as those concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty.

"By those standards, I'm one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano's terrorists," Pratt said. "This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they're all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009."

Pratt's biggest concern, however, is the sidestepping of the Constitution and due process that the nebulous language of this bill could permit.

"Unbeknownst to us, some bureaucrat in the bowels of democracy can put your name on a list, and your Second Amendment rights are toast," Pratt told WND. "This is such an anti-American bill, this is something King George III would have done."

As WND reported, right-wing "extremists" aren't the only Americans on the DHS watch list.

Two weeks before the U.S. Department of Homeland Security penned its now notorious warning against "right-wing extremists" in the United States, it generated a memo defining dozens of additional groups as potential "threats."

That memo, the "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" expanded the list from typical "right-wing" causes to include left-wing extremism, animal rights activists, black separatists, anarchists, Cuban independence advocates, environmental extremists, the anti-war movement and more. It even insisted some of these groups were prone to violence.

For example, the lexicon defined the "tax resistance movement" – also referred to in the report as the tax protest movement or the tax freedom movement – as "groups or individuals who vehemently believe taxes violate their constitutional rights. Among their beliefs are that wages are not income, that paying income taxes is voluntary, and that the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which allowed Congress to levy taxes on income, was not properly ratified."

It further states that tax protesters "have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in an attempt to advance their extremist goals."

The DHS memos were meant for distribution to law enforcement officials around the country, prompting some to worry the definitions might be used to classify Americans who simply disagree with government policies as being dangerous.

As WND reported, the relative of a Louisiana driver claims her brother-in-law has already been unfairly targeted by police simply for having a supposedly subversive, "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker on his car.

According to the relative, it happened this way: Her brother-in-law was driving home from work through Ball, La., which has a local reputation for enhancing its budget by ticketing speeders. He was pulled over by police officers who told him "he had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on his car."

"They proceeded to keep him there on the side of the road while they ran whatever they do to see if you have a record, keeping him standing by the side of the road for 30 minutes," she told WND.

Finding no record and no reason to keep him, they warned him and eventually let him go, she said.

WND has withheld the driver's name and the relative's name at their request.

H.R. 2159 has six co-sponsors, from both parties, and has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

WND contacted Rep. King's office for comment on the bill, but received no response.
 

layoutshooter

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We are being flushed down the toliet. I am surprised at the speed that this scum is taking over. They do however, have a lot of help out there. A large number of the "Peanut Gallery" supports these attempts to destroy our Nation. I sure hope all you Obama Bums got my email right when you forward my posts. Snitches Snitches everywhere!! Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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You know, and Layout can confirm this, there are a lot of people on the left cheering over this stuff. They are ecstatic over the fact that they have 'control' and righting wrongs but they are going to find out that it will always come back to bit them. Once the lefties in the government suppress the right, it will be the turn of the left in public to get suppressed.

I think we will follow the soviets idea of how things are done. The people supported the suppression of one group and once that was finished, the people who did the supporting was then the target because there was no one left. The people outside of the elite clique in government are not the same as the people - the lefties think that Obama is one of them but he is not and never was.

Being that dumb stupid follower of the classic liberal view, it allows me to see what other countries have done, and what the people had to endure wihtout getting this theology of the left or the fractured mindset of the right in my way. This time I think it will be different that what the Soviets did because once the people on the left here find out that free speech and due process is gone and they can't protest like they want or have rights like they used to, they will do a dumb ACORN moves that will result in a big protest and it will be like St Petersberg in 1919, a blood bath.

The funny thing is, many on the right will just capitulate in order take the heat off of them while they wait for the idiots on the left to revolt over the losses of their rights. These righties know what it is to lose rights, many of us are losing our freedom of speech and property rights already.
 
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layoutshooter

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The government killing of US citizens will be starting much sooner than I thought. Clinton will be proud. So will Hitler and Stalin. Layoutshooter
 

cheri1122

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Guys: your hypocrisy is showing, big time!
You have no problem whatsoever with people attacking those whom they believe or suspect have committed, or might commit an act they find morally offensive, if not illegal - but when the accusations are pointed your way, whoa! You demand to be considered innocent until proven guilty, as is your legal right.
You can't have it both ways - if the law protects your rights, it also protects the rights of those whom you only suspect of wrongdoing.
It is the law that keeps our society civil, and the law demands the presumption of innocence for 'perverts' and gun owners alike.
 

greg334

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Cheri,
The point I am trying to make is that we are a country of laws and not people but the people on the far left (and far right for that matter) are pushing it to be a country of people not laws.

When we put people in charge of our treasury department who are tax criminals, it is a problem for the country.

When we have people who don't understand our system and want to change it but still vote for the same people over and over, we have a problem.

When you elevate one group over another, it remove that equality that actually works for the country, not the individual and when you claim we have a democracy, allow things like the AIG and Chrysler debacle to take place and so on, we are moving away from any semblance of a country of laws and moving toward an elected monarchy.

The people who are demanding these changes, most are on the far left (and far right) don't get the idea that once there is a change in our country with our constitution or ignoring it, than we will have a snow ball effect where they will be subjected to the same stuff many on the right are going through for the past 10 years and they will not like it at all.
 

layoutshooter

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Wrong again Cheri, I never once said anything about suspects or even someone I might think is a child molester. I am talking ONLY about CONVICTED scum. They should never be allowed back on the street. ANYONE who hurts a child like that, well, just hand them over to me. There is little to no evidence that those kinds of criminal can ever be made right. The re-offence rate is extremly high. No stepping on the 5th from me. You are innocent in my eyes (not you, just the generic term) until you are proven guilty or admit to a crime. Period. That is what I believe. It is how it should be. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Cheri, how would you react had one of your daughters been attacked by one of these scum bags they are letting out of prison? I know what I would do if it had happened to one of my sons when they were young. Not to worry, I would react to anyone's child being molested in the same way. Layoutshooter
 

cheri1122

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I totally understand the desire to demolish anyone who harms the innocent [children particularly, but women, too], and I can't swear that I could resist it either, were one of my girls hurt by a sociopath, BUT to take the law into your own hands is not acceptable. [That's why my ex is still alive, lol]
Whether the target is 'perverts' or 'right wing extremists', the law must apply: innocent until proven guilty. If not, then the law is meaningless, and we are all doomed anyway.
 

cheri1122

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I also agree that child molesters are rarely 'cured' - but if the law has released them after serving their sentence, they must be left alone to try to resume their lives, until and unless they are caught violating the law.
The problem is more in the area of treatment [doesn't seem to be any that works], but that doesn't excuse attacking one on the basis of suspicion.
An incident from years ago in Cleveland: a woman thought she saw a 'peeping tom' outside her young daughter's bedroom window. She and several [male] friends confronted the man, who could provide no good reason for standing in her yard. The group attacked the man, severely beating him, and sodomizing him with a tree branch as well. Only later did they find the man was not a predator, but was having a type of seizure, and didn't even know where he was when confronted. [There was plenty of medical evidence to support his history of such 'fugue' states]
He nearly died, because a group of ignorant people jumped to the wrong conclusion when they saw him standing in a place he should not have been, and he couldn't explain himself.
That's why vigilantism must not be tolerated - because sometimes the innocent appear guilty. "Shoot first & ask questions later" is a nifty slogan, but a sure way to avoid justice for all.
 

layoutshooter

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Then if I refuse to pay my taxes because the goverment is using it to abort healthy babies that are not the product of rape or incest I won't get in trouble? If I refuse to pay my taxes because I don't want to pay for National Health I won't get in trouble? Bullfeathers, they only got away with it because they are polititions, no other reason. Just as uncle Teddy got away with murder. They all should be in the clink!! Hillary should be under investigation on charges of mis-handling classified documents and/or spying on the United States (hey, she said she read those reports, her words, not mine) Obama is an admitted doper, has he been investigated for criminal activity to support his habit? Sandy Berger gets away with several felonies with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Now one of those involed in the coverup of that crime involving classifed documents is running the CIA. Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house. Layoutshooter
 

LDB

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I'm not sure how we transitioned from a bill designed to illegally infringe on citizens to harming children but I have a position on it (surprising to all I'm sure). I have two incredible daughters. I've got a kidney available for each of them and a heart or liver available to the first one that needs it. Anyone harming either of them better be prepared to answer to me.

Both are married to excellent young men. My sons in law and I have one rule. If anyone on this planet harms my daughter they are entitled to do anything they want to the perpetrators corpse or to what's left alive if I'm killed before I kill them. If I know, not think but know, who harmed my daughter I will take the law into my own hands and deal with them. Period. If I actually witness something happening to anyone else's child I'll act similarly at the time but only if I actually see it happening. For my own daughters I don't have to see it, only know for certain it happened. Anything less is failing to do the right thing. I'm sure some will be shocked at the thought of the right thing. So be it.
 

layoutshooter

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There is a choice, life in prison with no chance of parol. Otherwise, they take thier chances. It is the fault of the government. They should know better than to ever let them out. IF I were to see a crime in progress they get nuked. No child will be molested if I can stop it, law or no law. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Well, you can believe that if you want. I would not wish to put any money on that one. If the IRS is involved, well, I would sooner deal with a molting rattlesnake. Layoutshooter
 

Poorboy

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That is correct. You will not get in "trouble". The law says you have to file. It does not say you have to pay.

Well, I Don't know all about the Tax Law, But I do know what Happens if you Make a simple Mistake in Filing your Taxes, "That's Right, I Said Simple Mistake" They drag you into their office and Make all these accusations that you are a Tax Cheat, And A Liar,Threaten to put you in Jail and Foreclose on your House. And if you don't agree with them then they Charge you for the Tax that they "SAY" that You Owe, Add A Very High Interest as well as a Penalty. After fighting with them you Finally get tired and agree to make Payments to them just to get it over with, But The Principal Hardly Ever Goes Down, They then go after your savings(If You Have One) and if that Isn't enough then they put "Liens" On your House and Every Other Thing that You Own, And then they Put it on Your Credit Report As Well, so you are Unable to get a Loan to Pay them Off. I Know this because it Happened to me back in the early 90s. So to say that you won't get into trouble is simply Not True.
 

greg334

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They are hardly criminals. They owed taxes and then paid them. Tax "criminals" as you put it either fail to file or lie about their income. Not paying is not a crime.

Not exactly true, Turbo tim there was told when he received the money from his contract (don't remember all the details) that he is responsible for his tax liabilities.

The real problem is with the process, if this was a republican or independent, it is a career stopper for them as an appointee. They confirmed him too fast, claiming he was the only one in the world that can save us. Turbo tim did exactly what others did but they went to jail.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Not exactly true, Turbo tim there was told when he received the money from his contract (don't remember all the details) that he is responsible for his tax liabilities.

The real problem is with the process, if this was a republican or independent, it is a career stopper for them as an appointee. They confirmed him too fast, claiming he was the only one in the world that can save us. Turbo tim did exactly what others did but they went to jail.

Good point. Al Capone wasn't given the option to 'just pay his taxes'. He was guilty of tax evasion, and sent to Alcatraz. Geitner was guilty of tax evasion, he just wasn't tried.

I think there should be a collective state court, that could overrule the courts of a corrupt political administration or ideology. I think the Supreme Court has obvious disdain for the Constitution, when ppl like Darth Bader-Ginsberg are put there. There should be some way to counteract that.
 
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