they have taking all the fun out of trucking
don't forget all hoops you jump through get your hazmat to
don't forget all hoops you jump through get your hazmat to
New Federal requirement for CDL drivers
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Not a big deal. The big deal for me is the stupidness of the people. Let me explain.
Last year I renewed my drivers license in TN and I jad to provide a bill for residency, a passport for citizenship and something else that I can't remember now. Easy peasy, done. I dropped my hazmat because I hadn't needed it for about 3 years.
Then I changed carriers and I needed hazmat, so I got my fingerprints done, etc... 3 weeks after renewing my licence I went back to get my hazmat, but for the life of me, I couldn't find my passport. So I showed up thinking that 3 weeks prior they saw my passport so I would be good. Wrong. I was sent home, they needed my passport.
I wasn't able to find my passport but I noticed that they also accept the certificate of naturalization instead of the passport. I found that and I headed back to DDS. The girl there looked at my papers and of course didn't know what a certificate of naturalization was. Another guy came over, looked at the paper, then at their screen and told her: 'Don't worry about this, we have a copy of his passport.' I just about exploded. Why in the hell couldn't they do that 4 hours earlier instead of wasting my time and money? I live quite far from DDS.
So I just had to bite my tongue, get my endorsement and get out as fast as I could. Good thing is that I don't have to see them again until 2024.
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Last year I renewed my drivers license in TN and I jad to provide a bill for residency, a passport for citizenship and something else that I can't remember now. Easy peasy, done. I dropped my hazmat because I hadn't needed it for about 3 years.
Then I changed carriers and I needed hazmat, so I got my fingerprints done, etc... 3 weeks after renewing my licence I went back to get my hazmat, but for the life of me, I couldn't find my passport. So I showed up thinking that 3 weeks prior they saw my passport so I would be good. Wrong. I was sent home, they needed my passport.
I wasn't able to find my passport but I noticed that they also accept the certificate of naturalization instead of the passport. I found that and I headed back to DDS. The girl there looked at my papers and of course didn't know what a certificate of naturalization was. Another guy came over, looked at the paper, then at their screen and told her: 'Don't worry about this, we have a copy of his passport.' I just about exploded. Why in the hell couldn't they do that 4 hours earlier instead of wasting my time and money? I live quite far from DDS.
So I just had to bite my tongue, get my endorsement and get out as fast as I could. Good thing is that I don't have to see them again until 2024.
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That's the government at work.
The Feds aren't dictating these requirements, per se, and states can do whatever they like with driver's licenses (as some have continued to do for the last 10 years). However, the REAL ID Act of 2005 updated federal laws pertaining to security, authentication and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and identity documents (and issues pertaining to immigration and terrorism).
Because the United States has no national identification card, and because of the widespread use of cars, driver's licenses have been used as a de facto standard form of identification within the country. The REAL ID Act puts forth the requirements for state driver's licenses (if used for identification) and ID cards that are to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes." The Secretary of Homeland Security has currently defined "official purposes" as boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants, although the law gives the Secretary the unlimited authority to require a "federal identification" for any other purposes, as well. If you don't have a REAL ID compliant driver's license or other state-issued ID, you need to be able to provide verifiable ID, like a birth certificate or Green Card, to DHS for doing certain things, like boarding a commercial plane (which residents of the states not in compliance with REAL ID have to do now, although I think it was just 5 states that have been holding out, and they're now getting with the program).
As for the CDL, in most states, you have to show a birth certificate to get your very first learner's permit in the first place, so getting a CDL shouldn't be any additional deal with that, nor should renewing your CDL. But I guess some states haven't been all that picky about it in the past when it comes to a CDL. 49 CFR § 383.71 (PDF) does explicitly state that you must provide to the State proof of citizenship or lawful permanent residency (as specified in Table 1 of the section - birth certificate, passport, Certificate of Naturalization, etc.) to obtain a CLP or CDL. Since KY has always required that for even a regular driver's license, KY has has been compliant with the REAL ID Act since day one.
Possibly another good security reason all CV drivers should have a CDL?
Bring it..... LOL!
Bring it..... LOL!
CDL requirement for van drivers never happen carriers would not want that as it would drain the swamp
florida has been on it for awhile. I like it myself your med card being tied to your drivers licence is great.
I say bring CDL into van market too.Possibly another good security reason all CV drivers should have a CDL?
Bring it..... LOL!
Might be funny, but security personnel and shipping clerks have a very different opinion of drivers who do not have a CDL.Had a guy at one repair shop telling me the benefit of CDL driving a van - "You will be a professional driver, unlike rest of people just getting into with regular DL"
I quietly laughed at him.
Not once was I asked in 3+ years of driving if I had CDL, nor was I given a look about my regular DL.
I have been to nuclear power plants, airports, military facilities and more restricted places.
I say: Ban The Van!I say bring CDL into van market too.
I say: Ban The Van!I say bring CDL into van market too.
If your gonna ban the van might as well go another step and get rid of the pesky straights to right. I mean really all these straights taken up parking spaces is just unreal. Might as well make customers pay for semi even if it is just one skid spot. and while we are at it how come trump don't make all the mexican operated trucks take back a load of illegals with them?Seems like a good way to make mexico pay for the return of their citizens.they just need to build a holding pen at each weight station parking lot.
How about every carrier just require a $5,000 bond upfront from every potential business operator? Kind of like a franchise ... all it will take is a couple bad wrecks and carriers and brokers get their butts sued for knowingly over loading vans and not monitoring rest breaks from an overtired driver...You know...as a pure gov hater and skeptic...the CDL would get rid of a LOT of chaff...maybe van drivers would have a chance again
Combine that with proper proof of commercial insurance and we'd all be rich
Well if the brokers/carriers took on some risk that would change things in a hurry lol - might have to up that 5000 a little
It does seem like its a little too easy to close a company and pop back up again with a new name when you get caught
Have to admit, I had that thought just to counter a 1 truck safety record in case I had a run of bad luck at the scales...if there was money on the line...well that changes behavior doesn't it?
And if I had that thought, its actually someone's business plan to run illegal because they can right?
(Been shopping straights and I really don't know what im doing, but pulling in in an unsafe truck amounts to the same thing whether stupidity or intent)
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OVM that's cool but this isn't the February thread...hands on the wheel
There are a few loads where the requirement up front is a CDL (sometimes with a HAZMAT endorsement even for a non-HAZMAT load), just as there are up-front requirements for no pets and other things. If you don't meet those requirements then you are unlikely to even be offered to load to begin with.
In any case, failing to get a "look" doesn't mean they don't have an opinion about the standard drivers license. I've heard too many unsolicited comments from security and shipping personnel about drivers who have been there who "didn't even have a CDL." They also have different opinions about CDL holders with and without HAZMAT endorsements.
For more than 12 years I had a CDL with a HAZMAT endorsement, and gave it up a couple of years ago because of a lack of placarded loads and the fact that HAZMAT load no longer generally pay significantly more money. These days when I hand them my license so they can get the number off it or make a copy of it, I know what they're thinking. Especially at those places where I've previously heard the comments.
It doesn't bother me, though.
We all have. And there are often locations within those facilities, as well as certain defense contractors, where you will not be permitted, that you may not even be aware of. I've already had that happen at one nuclear power plant and one oil refinery where locations within those facilities that I was previously allowed I can no longer go because I no longer have my CDL. Not that I much care, though. I prefer to be loaded and unloaded at the front gate, or have an escort directly to where I need to be, anyway.
They are implementing it already.
Did you hear of that sprinter van carrying some dozen illegals in KY (? was it).
Ohh, wait... it was Expediting drivers getting some much needed loads north.
