Massive Quake hits Japan

jaminjim

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Commodities, energy markets grapple with shutdowns | Reuters

(Reuters) - Japan's earthquake forced port closures and shutdowns of oil refineries and metal plants in the world's third-biggest economy on Friday, rattling commodity and energy markets as participants weighed up how quickly activity could return to normal.

The magnitude 8.9 earthquake, the biggest to hit Japan in 140 years, struck the northeast coast, triggering a 10-meter tsunami that cleared everything in its path from houses to cars and set farm buildings on fire. At least 59 people have been killed.

"This natural disaster could result in another sharp rise in risk aversion on markets and a continuation of yesterday's correction on commodity markets," Commerzbank said in a report. "The demand for oil could be lower, at least temporarily, because of the earthquake."

ICE Brent crude oil fell more than 2 percent to around $113 a barrel, partly due to the earthquake.

Tokyo gold futures rallied about 0.4 percent soon after the quake, but has since turned lower by around 0.7 percent at 3,473 yen per gram. Tokyo rubber fell 3.6 percent to 384.1 yen.

Metals firm Mitsui Mining said operations at its Hachinohe zinc smelter, with a capacity of 112,000 tonnes a year, were halted by the earthquake, and employees evacuated.

All Japanese ports have closed, with discharging operations stopped, shippers said. Top refiner JX Nippon Oil & Energy Corp halted operations at three plants, while fire engulfed a storage tank at a unit of Cosmo Oil Co. The two make up about 20 percent of the country's total refining capacity.

"It's a big mess. All discharge operations are suspended in the area," said one shipbroker.

TV footage showed several ships damaged by the tsunami including a large panamax vessel, which typically could carry up to 80,000 tonnes of coal, iron ore or grain, a second Tokyo-based shipbroker said.

A ship carrying 100 people was also swept away, the Kyodo news agency reported.

"Most or all coal stocks will be washed out at many of the coal-fired power plants," he said. "Ports will be closed at least for a short period until damage assessments can take place."

Around 4.4 million homes were without power in northern Japan, media said.

Hokuriku Electric Co said all three reactors at its Onagawa nuclear plant in northern Japan shut down automatically.

Some 2,000 residents living near a nuclear plant in Fukushima prefecture, north of Tokyo, were told to evacuate but the government said no radiation was leaking. It said the evacuation was a precaution after a reactor cooling malfunction.

Electric Power Development (J-Power) has also halted operations of its Isogo thermal plant in Yokohama, Jiji reported.
 
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greg334

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Ditto, I hope the best for all in Japan.

BUT not to take away from their pain, the west coast seem to be in panic mood and as I am listening to the 'experts', they are suggesting that it is great surfing time.
 

Turtle

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Courtesy of a USGS press conference this afternoon, the Honshu, Japan earthquake ruptured a 180 mile long by 50 mile wide section of the Earth's crust on ocean floor of the Pacific plate, bumping 250 miles of coastline.

This resulted in the Japanese coastline having been moved permanently by 8 feet.

The Earth's axis has been tilted by 10 inches as a result of the quake.

More than 100 aftershocks rated 5.0 magnitude or higher have been recorded in Japan since the initial shake.

The quake was 900 times stronger than the quake that hammered San Francisco in 1989.

The Honshu quake was not as large as the 1964 Alaska earthquake, but was comparable to the recent Chile earthquake.

Tsunami waves that hit California earlier today washed three onlookers out to sea. Two have been recovered.
 

Turtle

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Large volcanic eruptions like Krakatau (20 cubic km of ash) and Tambora (150 cu km), and even relatively smaller ones like Pinetubo (10 cu km), slow the Earth's rotation a little bit. It is estimated that Mt Mazama, the volcano that created Crater Lake in Oregon, slowed the Earth's rotation by more than one second when it ejected 100 cu kilometers into the atmosphere. No tellin' what the actual effect was when Long Valley, CA or Yellowstone blew 500 cu km into the air. Mount St Helens by comparison blew 2.3 cu km into the air.
 

zero3nine

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Large volcanic eruptions like Krakatau (20 cubic km of ash) and Tambora (150 cu km), and even relatively smaller ones like Pinetubo (10 cu km), slow the Earth's rotation a little bit. It is estimated that Mt Mazama, the volcano that created Crater Lake in Oregon, slowed the Earth's rotation by more than one second when it ejected 100 cu kilometers into the atmosphere. No tellin' what the actual effect was when Long Valley, CA or Yellowstone blew 500 cu km into the air. Mount St Helens by comparison blew 2.3 cu km into the air.

I have a lot of trouble believing things like this. Way too many variables involved.


fired at you from my Droideka
 

Turtle

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Believing things like what? The amount of ejecta can be very accurately measured, as can the actual speed of rotation of the Earth. The Earth's rotation is astoundingly steady down to the millionths of a millisecond normally, with small variations being caused by very large weather systems (like the monster system that caused the blizzard which covered more than the thirds of the US) and when something causes it to change its rotational speed is it immediately observable and verifiable. And when you know the amount of matter that is injected into the atmosphere, you can accurately calculate the effect it has on the Earth's rotation.

Earthquakes can both speed up or slow down the Earth's rotation, depending on how much mass is moved and where the center of mass for the planet ends up after the mass of the quake. When the center of mass changes, so does the angular momentum, and the planet reacts precisely according to the laws of conservation of angular momentum.

When mass is ejected into the atmosphere, the center of mass changes as well, effecting the angular momentum. But there are other factors, where just like the thrust of a rocket engine pushes the rocket upward, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and when matter is violently ejected from a volcano, the Earth itself recoils into a different axis and rotational wobble, in addition to the change in the center of mass. But again, it can be accurately calculated, just like it can be calculated when there is enough matter in the atmosphere to increase the friction between the Earth and it's atmosphere.

There are various storm systems around the planet, each with very different masses and atmospheric pressures, but they are more or less evenly distributed around the planet, in effect canceling each other out. But when a massive storm system develops, where large amounts of mass collects to the size of continents, and atmospheric pressures are uneven, the Earth is not only pulled and bulges in the direction of the large low pressure area, changing the axis, but the increased friction slows the planet down a bit. Glacial cycles which results in the redistribution of ice and water masses, and resultant deformation of the crust, changes the mass distribution around the Earth, which changes the axis and accounts for pole shifts, too, but it does so not arbitrarily, but according to the laws of physics.

Yes, there are several variables, but they all fall within and behave according to the laws of physics. I know that a spinning top or a revolving wheel seems very simple, but the rotation of real objects is a very complex business, but always according to the laws of physics. If objects are not perfectly symmetrical around their rotation axis, like the Earth, they naturally wobble around their rotation axis. The Earth wobbles observably. Even movements of weather systems modify the wobbles. When the wobbles are modified, the axis can change, as can the rotational speed, and it's all mathematically predictable and verifiable.

The Earth is gradually slowing down anyway. The Earth loses its kinetic energy due to all forms of friction acting on it, like tides, galactic space dust, solar wind, space weather, geomagnetic storms, etc., and like any flywheel, it will slow down. That's why Leap Seconds are added every now and again. The length of time it takes the Earth, at the present time, to rotate once is 86,400.002 seconds compared to 86,400 seconds back in 1820. So since 1820, the Earth's rotation has slowed 2 milliseconds. But 4.3 billion years ago the Earth had about a 13 hour day, instead of the 24 hour day, and it's been slowing down ever since.
 
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ATeam

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If you happen to live north of Tokyo, an earthquake causes buildings around you to collapse, a tsunami washes away the neighborhood leaving rubble in its place, and now you get evacuated because a nearby nuclear power plant containment building exploded.

If you happen to be in a truck in the U.S., maybe the bad day you are having is not such a bad day after all.
 

Turtle

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So we should now worry about Global slowing?
I don't know if we should worry about it, anymore than we should be worrying about the sun eventually exhausting all its fuel and gradually growing in size to envelope the Earth completely and burns the Earth to a crisp, because both are gonna happen. Better to worry about the next SuperMoon and the end of the Mayan calendar.

It should be noted that end-of-the-world prophecies and predictions have existed ever since man learned to speak. It should also be noted that, so far, every single one of them has been wrong.

Many of us might remember the famous 1980 prediction by televangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson when he startled and alarmed many when he informed his "700 Club" TV show audience around the world that he knew when the world would end, thanks to a private conversation he had just had with God. "I guarantee you by the end of 1982 there is going to be a judgment on the world." Robertson has a stellar career in failed predictions. One of my favorites is when he predicted "mass killings" in the US due to a terrorist attack, as related to him by God, of course, and when that failed to transpire, he basically said that God changed his mind.

In February 1835, Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, called a meeting to tell his followers of the recent conversation he had had with God, whereby God revealed that Jesus would be making a visit sometime during the next 56 years, after which the End Times would begin promptly. Clearly, Joseph Smith or God got the dates wrong.

William Miller, a New England farmer, after going through the bible carefully told people that God’s chosen time to end the world is going to be on April 23, 1843. He managed to convince people to an extent that it gave birth to Millerites, his followers. Many people believed his predictions to be true, so much so that they even went to the extent of giving away or selling their possessions. But April 23 came and went with no sign of Jesus. Whoops. The Seventh Day Adventists are people from this group who have divided after the prophecy failed.

Failed predictions became the bread and butter of the Seventh Day Adventists, where its founder, Ellen White, continued to make predictions that failed. The best one was in 1856 when she predicted (thanks to her special little angel who was always at her side) that among all of the attendees of a church conference, some would die of natural causes, some would die of plagues in the last days, but the rest would be alive when Jesus came. Every single attendee was dead by 1900, with nary a Jesus in sight, leaving the church to explain away such a spectacular failure of prophecy. The church basically said, "Her bad," and continue to make failed predictions to this day. Gotta give 'em props for persistence.

In 1919 meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on December 17th of that year.

Remember when Dec 31, 1999 was going to be the end of days, because it was the end of the second millennium? But no one bothered to take into consideration there was no Year Zero, and the end of the millennium didn't really occur until the end of 2000. That one still cracks me up.

My favorite is one that nearly fulfilled its own prophecy when Pope Clement VI predicted in 1342 the End Days was near, and in an unrelated circumstance Christians began killing cats all over Europe because they might be friends of witches, or worse, witches in cat's clothing. With most of the cats dead, nothing was left to keep the rats in check. The fewer the cats, the more the rats, and it was the rat fleas that spread the Black Plague, which killed one-third of the population.


Every single Christian leader who predicts a date for the end of the world should be taken out back and beaten with a freshly cut switch from the parable of the fig tree....

Matthew 24:35-36: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

That's a quote from Jesus, by the way. So every Christian leader who says they know when the world will end, especially if they say they got it directly from God, is in effect saying... Jesus lied. There ya go.
 

14Wheeler

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Worked at the CAT factory for two years just south of Tokyo.
Spoke with my old landlord earlier today and says all worries now
are limited to the nuclear threat. Folks south of the effected areas unsure whats going on up there. The big citys back to norm
 

skyraider

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I think the trade winds blow toward the USA from Japan, remember WW2 and the balloons Jpan used on us that would float this way and explode here. They just had their Pearl Harbor so to speak. If the air in Jpan is contaminated, then would not their manufactured products that r shipped all over the world be contaminated, not to mention the workers that make the stuff, well I'm just saying.
 

Scuba

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Not with this one, it increased the rotation speed by 1.6 milliseconds. Worry about global speeding. Gore will say we have to slow it back down to save on fuel costs.

For the love of god will some one check the tire pressure the increase in speed with under inflated tires will cause global warming to increase lol
 

Scuba

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Some may beat me up over this post but we shouldn't be sending taxpayer dollars to help them out. Japan or any other country for that matter. But we will send billions and then the Americans in NJ that are losing everything from floods will get offered low interest loans we give it away to everyone on the planet and screw our own people
 

Ragman

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Some may beat me up over this post but we shouldn't be sending taxpayer dollars to help them out. Japan or any other country for that matter. But we will send billions and then the Americans in NJ that are losing everything from floods will get offered low interest loans we give it away to everyone on the planet and screw our own people

No beat ups from me. I don't have a problem with helping them (that is the right thing to do), but the cost should be born by the japenese. Japan is one of the wealthest countries in the world.
 
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