Just had a penitentiary flashback....

asjssl

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It's not childish at all. At least it's true, and has legal validity. The billboard is neither. Currently the federal court order and Kentucky law are in conflict. Kentucky law says marriage licenses must be authorized by the County Clerk, or a Deputy Clerk authorized to do so. Since she isn't authorizing the licenses, or her deputies to do so, and as they must still be issued, they are being issued under the authority of the federal court order, with the case number and the judge's initials on the same line. The deputies are signing as a Notary Public instead of an authorized Deputy Clerk. The judge, the governor and the state attorney general have all said they are satisfied with the legality of that.
I fail to see how that's even the least little bit childish. Doesn't seem like a statement a child would make at all.
Well, first, very few laws have ever been enacted that didn't have some sort of unintended consequence to them. Second, if that statement is supposed to imply that Kim Davis has ever tried to impose her religious beliefs upon everyone else, or even anyone else, then it's incorrect, as she's never done that. At the most all she's ever done is ask that people respect her religious beliefs. Instead of doing that, people call her childish.
 

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I intend to up load this next one..cant figure how to edit out the pic after it was posted..
Click EDIT, then click MORE OPTIONS. That will get you the full-page preview and the options to delete a photo and reupload a photo.

Not sure of the process on the phone app, though.
 

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I guess to a lot of people, freedom of religion is a lot like freedom of speech - "It's great!... so long as I agree with it."
 
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I guess to a lot of people, freedom of religion is a lot like freedom of speech - "It's great!... so long as I agree with it."

I don't need to agree with it, which is good, seeing as there'a a blue million "its" to agree with. But neither does the County Clerk - her job is solely to attest that the persons named on a marriage license have satisfied the legal requirements to be married. She does not have the right to pass judgement on their moral fitness to be married. Who is she to judge? Does she think her God doesn't know how she feels about it?
When JFK was a candidate for POTUS, being a devout Catholic was perceived as a liability. In response to a pointed question about divided loyalties, he said that if the occasion ever happened, he would resign the presidency, rather than betray either his religion or the people he was elected to serve. That's character - and Davis hasn't got it.
 
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I don't need to agree with it, which is good, seeing as there'a a blue million "its" to agree with.
What are you talking about? There are no million it's to agree with. Either you agree that the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion or you don't.

She does not have the right to pass judgement on their moral fitness to be married. Who is she to judge?
Now you're just making stuff up. She's never passed judgement on anyone's moral fitness to be married. Her own morals prevent her from endorsing same-sex marriage, and she absolutely has the right to think whatever she wants to about same-sex marriage, but she's never passed judgement on anyone and told them they were not morally fit to get married. She handed them a piece of paper with instructions and a map to the nearest County Clerk's office (15 miles away) and told them they could get a license there with no problems.

Complaint filed against Texas judge over 'get married or go to jail' order

That 'war on Christians'? The non Christians are losing.....
How are the non Christians losing?

As for the Texas judge who gave the couple the choice of him going to jail or getting married, that happens a lot more than you think. A judge in Pennsylvania did the same thing a few months ago.

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That's the unhappy Texas couple with the judge who married them.

The story as reported isn't entirely accurate. The judge didn't order him to "write Bible versus," plural, he ordered him to write a single Bible verse, 25 times a day until he got married, "If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it." Which happens to be a Bible verse. The judge told him the words to write, he didn't even have to crack a Bible to write it.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation got their panties in a wad and filed a complaint with the Texas State Commission on Judicial Conduct, instead of filing a lawsuit, because they know they wouldn't have any standing in a lawsuit, because it's none of their business. So, they filed the complaint and want the judge disbarred, which won't happen. They would also like him tarred and feathered, and drawn and quartered, but that won't happen, either. If the Bible verse had been something about God or Jesus or some other Biblical character, then it could easily be argued that it's a violation of church and state. But it's hardly that. "If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it" is so easy even an atheist can understand it. And can probably even write it.
 

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What are you talking about? There are no million it's to agree with. Either you agree that the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion or you don't.

Now you're just making stuff up. She's never passed judgement on anyone's moral fitness to be married. Her own morals prevent her from endorsing same-sex marriage, and she absolutely has the right to think whatever she wants to about same-sex marriage, but she's never passed judgement on anyone and told them they were not morally fit to get married. She handed them a piece of paper with instructions and a map to the nearest County Clerk's office (15 miles away) and told them they could get a license there with no problems.


How are the non Christians losing?

As for the Texas judge who gave the couple the choice of him going to jail or getting married, that happens a lot more than you think. A judge in Pennsylvania did the same thing a few months ago.

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That's the unhappy Texas couple with the judge who married them.

The story as reported isn't entirely accurate. The judge didn't order him to "write Bible versus," plural, he ordered him to write a single Bible verse, 25 times a day until he got married, "If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it." Which happens to be a Bible verse. The judge told him the words to write, he didn't even have to crack a Bible to write it.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation got their panties in a wad and filed a complaint with the Texas State Commission on Judicial Conduct, instead of filing a lawsuit, because they know they wouldn't have any standing in a lawsuit, because it's none of their business. So, they filed the complaint and want the judge disbarred, which won't happen. They would also like him tarred and feathered, and drawn and quartered, but that won't happen, either. If the Bible verse had been something about God or Jesus or some other Biblical character, then it could easily be argued that it's a violation of church and state. But it's hardly that. "If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it" is so easy even an atheist can understand it. And can probably even write it.


Yes she is passing judgement..
The LAW says 2 women can legally be married. .she has no right to push her views or beliefs and DENY them a license. ..SHE CAN'T ...PERIOD..

ALSO why do people have to drive around to avoid her ..and go to the next county ...F that..

You will see..she CANT do what she is doing.
 
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Yes she is passing judgement..
The context was passing judgement on people's moral fitness to be married. She has not done that.
The LAW says 2 women can legally be married. .she has no right to push her views or beliefs and DENY them a license. ..SHE CAN'T ...PERIOD..
To my knowledge, she has never told anyone who has walked into her office that they must share her personal views or beliefs.
ALSO why do people have to drive around to avoid her ..and go to tje next county ...F that..
They shouldn't have to, but at the time she was refusing to issue marriage licenses, it was the only way to quickly and easily obtain one. And as she was the one handing out directions and a map on how to get to the County Clerk's office in nearby counties, that proves she wasn't passing judgement on their moral fitness to get married, nor was she pushing her views or beliefs onto anyone.

You will see..she CANT do what she is doing.
I've never said she could. In fact, on at least two occasions I have stated if the changes in the law make it so that she can no longer fulfill the duties for which she is elected, she should resign.
 

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Yes she has pushed her views on others simply by telling them NO..that's not her job or any of her concern. .and if your a resident of said county..you shouldn't have to drive around to do what is PERFECTLY LEGAL. Who the F is she..
 
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