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Obama The Muslim - HUMAN EVENTS
Obama The Muslim - HUMAN EVENTS
Is Obama a muslim?
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Does it really matter?
What I see is a person who is incapable of discerning who's who in his profession, as the article pointed out he craps on QEII but kisses the King Saud's a**. This to me means he is immature in his abilities to lead and falls back to what is most comfortable for him.
Oh everyone is so up in arms about the Mosque near the WTC site, got to throw that in. I haven't seen a church planned for an opposing site and who cares anyway, we forgot any lessons from that event, we forgot the people who died and it has turned into one big circus from the naming/renaming to the mess with New York and who owns what. If we were smart, and we are not, we would have chucked all these ideas, plans and contests out the window and just rebuilt the WTC complex.
What I see is a person who is incapable of discerning who's who in his profession, as the article pointed out he craps on QEII but kisses the King Saud's a**. This to me means he is immature in his abilities to lead and falls back to what is most comfortable for him.
Oh everyone is so up in arms about the Mosque near the WTC site, got to throw that in. I haven't seen a church planned for an opposing site and who cares anyway, we forgot any lessons from that event, we forgot the people who died and it has turned into one big circus from the naming/renaming to the mess with New York and who owns what. If we were smart, and we are not, we would have chucked all these ideas, plans and contests out the window and just rebuilt the WTC complex.
I could matter if he believes in the "radical" ways of some muslims. He has the ability to lend support to them, just by doing nothing, oh wait, that is what he IS doing, NOTHING!! 
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well yeah he has, hasn't he?
But so has Bush, Clinton, Bush I, and especially Reagan.
See Layout I have asked myself this - is it really important that we keep this BS line going or should be start acting as adults and put the religious aspect to a cultural issue behind us?
Not trying to sound like an appeaser but you know it is tiring to hear all these fearful comments coming from 'Christians' when they don't really understand or want to understand any other religion or respect other people.
OK I can agree that Muslims are working the system but what do people expect? I don't see the attacks on Christianity as some make it out to be because it is still the majority religion and like being of the majority race, there are compromises made all the time.
But so has Bush, Clinton, Bush I, and especially Reagan.
See Layout I have asked myself this - is it really important that we keep this BS line going or should be start acting as adults and put the religious aspect to a cultural issue behind us?
Not trying to sound like an appeaser but you know it is tiring to hear all these fearful comments coming from 'Christians' when they don't really understand or want to understand any other religion or respect other people.
OK I can agree that Muslims are working the system but what do people expect? I don't see the attacks on Christianity as some make it out to be because it is still the majority religion and like being of the majority race, there are compromises made all the time.
It matters to the extent he shames and embarrasses us with England and others. It matters to the extent he gives preferrential treatment to those who potentially support and encourage our enemies. It matters to the extent he will likely do nothing in instances he should be supporting, defending and protecting this nation. It matters in that transparency and honesty be respected.
We are at war. We have been attacked. I don't care one bit who attacks or why. I don't care if it religious, economic or what ever reason. Attack my country, my way of life, my Constitution and you die. Period. If you support my enemy, you die too. This enemy has NO intention of "talking things out". They are out to destroy everything that we believe in. They must be defeated. PERIOD. We must fight them to win. NOW or lose. If we lose we will REALLY lose.
I think everyone should read some of Thomas Paine's writings for more insight into religion and our Goverment. After reading them I think a person comes to a better understanding of the separation of church and state. It was obvious Paine believed in a "Creator or supreme being" but was disgusted with religion. We also know he had a huge influence in the creation of the country.
I don't give a flip what Obama's, or any elected officials, religion is. He was elected to protect and defend this Nation and our Constitution. He is not doing this. He has NO belief in our Constitution or our way of life and in many ways it seems he sides with those who would destroy the Nation.
Only because we have a wimp as Commander in Chief and a Congress that is out to take over the country. The problem is NOT the enemy, they can be defeated. The problem is the "domestic enemy" we face.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
All good points but it doesn't matter.
Why?
Think about the recent events about leaking classified information.
Here we have at least one soldier during war time leaking information that will aid the enemy. Not just a few pieces of paper but videos and 91,000 pages of documents may be from him or others. The Pentagon is finally starting their investigation after almost 8 weeks of knowing what was going to happen and the administration has given lip service - so where's the concern?
I don't see the public outrage at this, even though there is a question if this will lead to one US soldier's death - in reality it doesn't matter because what does is any leak needs to be taken seriously.
If we were at war, then we would have been tough fighting it, very tough protecting ourselve but we are not by any means. It isn't because Obama said "I will make this a safe war for the Taliban and Al Queda" but Bush said that and went along with the New York Time publishing secret information because it didn't seem to matter or is it Bush is a Muslim too?
For some reason we have since the early 90's been on a different footing with any action against any Arab/Muslims and that started with Bush I. And they see that as a weakness - rightfully so.
I think a lot of it is hypocritical and there is some narrow minded people yanking the wrong chains for political gains, which is a turn off to some who are not Conservative Christian what evers.
The hypocrisy seems to be exposed more coming from the continuing BS line that we are under attack on the religious front and only the religious front while we let slide other more important things.
I agree we are under attack, we are at war but with whom?
Is it ourselves we are fighting, or is it that the dumbmasses are again being led?
I don't see crapping on England as being the same as letting a treasonous soldier obfuscate paying the proper price for his actions - losing his life. To be more precise, England has continually gone down the road of appeasement and conformed to many of the demands of Muslim and other minorities as part of their national guilt. They have been allowing their own citizens to pay the price for their opinions and positions while overlooking what has happened to others by minorities. France has woken up in the past week, they are now not being nice to Al Queda, which means they may finally do something other than drink wine and eat cheese.
Why?
Think about the recent events about leaking classified information.
Here we have at least one soldier during war time leaking information that will aid the enemy. Not just a few pieces of paper but videos and 91,000 pages of documents may be from him or others. The Pentagon is finally starting their investigation after almost 8 weeks of knowing what was going to happen and the administration has given lip service - so where's the concern?
I don't see the public outrage at this, even though there is a question if this will lead to one US soldier's death - in reality it doesn't matter because what does is any leak needs to be taken seriously.
If we were at war, then we would have been tough fighting it, very tough protecting ourselve but we are not by any means. It isn't because Obama said "I will make this a safe war for the Taliban and Al Queda" but Bush said that and went along with the New York Time publishing secret information because it didn't seem to matter or is it Bush is a Muslim too?
For some reason we have since the early 90's been on a different footing with any action against any Arab/Muslims and that started with Bush I. And they see that as a weakness - rightfully so.
I think a lot of it is hypocritical and there is some narrow minded people yanking the wrong chains for political gains, which is a turn off to some who are not Conservative Christian what evers.
The hypocrisy seems to be exposed more coming from the continuing BS line that we are under attack on the religious front and only the religious front while we let slide other more important things.
I agree we are under attack, we are at war but with whom?
Is it ourselves we are fighting, or is it that the dumbmasses are again being led?
I don't see crapping on England as being the same as letting a treasonous soldier obfuscate paying the proper price for his actions - losing his life. To be more precise, England has continually gone down the road of appeasement and conformed to many of the demands of Muslim and other minorities as part of their national guilt. They have been allowing their own citizens to pay the price for their opinions and positions while overlooking what has happened to others by minorities. France has woken up in the past week, they are now not being nice to Al Queda, which means they may finally do something other than drink wine and eat cheese.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Keep in mind that islam / muslims are as much about politics and law as Religion.....
Why is the Justice Department and Obama not going after the traitors that released classified documents? Could they agree with it? Could they even be behind it? I don't trust them one tiny bit. I would LOVE to have a GOOD investigator and go after this bunch. Anyone who is involved with this belongs in front of a firing squad. No matter what his/her/it station in life is.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well as of today, we are right back to the Clinton era "we'll try them in court and make them pay" attitude. Holder, who is in Egypt for some reason, said that he will work with the department of defense to find out who it is and bring them to court.
Now if we are actually at war, which technically we have been since the 50's, the DoD should handle this as a military matter and like other military matters of this importance, should plan on a hanging soon.
I just don't get this, with leaks, people who deserted and others who were traitors all seem to get a free pass and not pay any price.
Now if we are actually at war, which technically we have been since the 50's, the DoD should handle this as a military matter and like other military matters of this importance, should plan on a hanging soon.
I just don't get this, with leaks, people who deserted and others who were traitors all seem to get a free pass and not pay any price.
Why is the guy that runs that website still walking the streets? He is a marked man if ANYONE is killed because of his actions.
Ask your Congressman....*LOL* Dinglenuts...
He is more useless than a bag of dried, powdered turkey dung.
More useless....??? Bad grammar there buddy..I am the grammar cop to-day...
Tough cookies!! I don't listen to "Grammar cops"!! So THERE!!
tomorrow a promotion...am a "spell check" cop...whoo hooo
My spelling is SO bad!! I once got a "spelling award" for getting a "c" on a weekly spelling test. It was one of my higher scores in that vile subject.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
He is claiming that the he sent everything to the WH, and they never even responded. The NYTs also said they met with the WH to make sure that there wasn't something in the documents that would ruin the country and the WH said 'we don't see any documents'