I Like This Doctor!!

chefdennis

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This Doctor is alright in my book....Hopefully more will follow his lead....:D

Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

A Mount Dora doctor posted a sign telling Obama health care supporters to go elsewhere.

*the link below has a picture of the sign

Obama health care supporters: Florida doctor tells Obama health care supporters to go elsewhere - OrlandoSentinel.com

MOUNT DORA — A doctor who considers the national health-care overhaul to be bad medicine for the country posted a sign on his office door telling patients who voted for President Barack Obama to seek care "elsewhere."

"I'm not turning anybody away — that would be unethical," Dr. Jack Cassell, 56, a Mount Dora urologist and a registered Republican opposed to the health plan, told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday. "But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it."

The sign reads: "If you voted for Obama … seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years."

Estella Chatman, 67, of Eustis, whose daughter snapped a photo of the typewritten sign, sent the picture to U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, the Orlando Democrat who riled Republicans last year when he characterized the GOP's idea of health care as, "If you get sick, America … Die quickly."

Chatman said she heard about the sign from a friend referred to Cassell after his physician recently died. She said her friend did not want to speak to a reporter but was dismayed by Cassell's sign.

"He's going to find another doctor," she said.

Cassell may be walking a thin line between his right to free speech and his professional obligation, said William Allen, professor of bioethics, law and medical professionalism at the University of Florida's College of Medicine.

Allen said doctors cannot refuse patients on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or disability, but political preference is not one of the legally protected categories specified in civil-rights law. By insisting he does not quiz his patients about their politics and has not turned away patients based on their vote, the doctor is "trying to hold onto the nub of his ethical obligation," Allen said.

"But this is pushing the limit," he said.

Cassell, who has practiced medicine in GOP-dominated Lake County since 1988, said he doesn't quiz his patients about their politics, but he also won't hide his disdain for the bill Obama signed and the lawmakers who passed it.

In his waiting room, Cassell also has provided his patients with photocopies of a health-care timeline produced by Republican leaders that outlines "major provisions" in the health-care package. The doctor put a sign above the stack of copies that reads: "This is what the morons in Washington have done to your health care. Take one, read it and vote out anyone who voted for it."

Cassell, whose lawyer wife, Leslie Campione, has declared herself a Republican candidate for Lake County commissioner, said three patients have complained, but most have been "overwhelmingly supportive" of his position.

"They know it's not good for them," he said.

Cassell, who previously served as chief of surgery at Florida Hospital Waterman in Tavares, said a patient's politics would not affect his care for them, although he said he would prefer not to treat people who support the president.

"I can at least make a point," he said.

The notice on Cassell's office door could cause some patients to question his judgment or fret about the care they might receive if they don't share his political views, Allen said. He said doctors are wise to avoid public expressions that can affect the physician-patient relationship.

Erin VanSickle, spokeswoman for the Florida Medical Association, would not comment specifically.

But she noted in an e-mail to the Sentinel that "physicians are extended the same rights to free speech as every other citizen in the United States."

The outspoken Grayson described Cassell's sign as"ridiculous."

"I'm disgusted," he said. "Maybe he thinks the Hippocratic Oath says, ‘Do no good.' If this is the face of the right wing in America, it's the face of cruelty. … Why don't they change the name of the Republican Party to the Sore Loser Party?"
 
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layoutshooter

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I do believe that as this government take over of private industry and small business, called health care reform, that you will see many many doctors shutting down their doors. Why should they risk everything, years in school, silly lawsuits etc just to be told how and when to treat those who need it. THEY are the doctors, NOT the government lackey who will now control our medical care.
 

LDB

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My father has said more than once he wishes he was still practicing so he could quit.
 

aristotle

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Dr. Cassell will become a whipping boy to the Obama worshippers and a hero to physicians trying to operate as small businesses.
 

layoutshooter

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The government hates small business people. Most of them are far too independent. Far too hard to control. They will do their best to put as many out of business as they can.

Their math is goofy too. How can you put 30 million or so people into the system, add no more doctors and likely lose many and still see costs go down? How will all those new people and no new doctors increase access to health care? The numbers do not add up. But then again, they are Dumb-O-Crats for a reason.
 

davekc

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A related story
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> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:20 AM
> To: Clance, James Civ USAF AFMC 572 ACSS/GFLB; Gordon, Meleisa Civ Defense,
> Logistics Agency (DLA)/DCDC Bldg 155
> Subject: FW: Young Physician's Opinion
>
> Subject: FW: Young Physician's Opinion
>
>
> Pictured below is a young physician by the name of Dr.. Starner
> Jones. His short two-paragraph letter to the White House accurately puts
> the blame on a "Culture Crisis" instead of a "Health Care Crisis". It's
> worth a quick read:
>
>
> Dear Mr. President:
> During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had
> the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive
> shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate
> and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who
> chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ring tone.
> While glancing over her patient chart, I happened to notice
> that her payer status was listed as "Medicaid"! During my examination of
> her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one costly pack of
> cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.
> And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman's
> health care? I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the
> result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is
> the result of a "crisis of culture", a culture in which it is perfectly
> acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care
> of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. It is a culture
> based in the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because
> someone else will always take care of me".
> Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards
> irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our
> nation's health care difficulties will disappear.
> Respectfully,
> STARNER JONES, MD
>
 

YarnDoll

Seasoned Expediter
I absolutely agree with this doctor. I've even had a senior citizen tell me that seniors shouldn't have to pay for their health care, because they (seniors) need their money for cruises and casinos!
 

Humble2drive

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This is a sad and disappointing example of a Physician who has let his anger get in the way of his moral and ethical responsibilities to care for other humans.

The Doctor himself admits that “turning anybody away” is unethical; however, that is exactly what he is doing and it is beyond unethical.

The written notice on this Physician’s door instructing patients to “seek care elsewhere” for any reason can be considered Patient Abandonment under Florida law. :(

His opinion regarding the new health care legislation may be correct; however, there are better ways to make a point without crossing the line between patient care and politics.
 

Tennesseahawk

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This is a sad and disappointing example of a Physician who has let his anger get in the way of his moral and ethical responsibilities to care for other humans.

The Doctor himself admits that “turning anybody away” is unethical; however, that is exactly what he is doing and it is beyond unethical.

The written notice on this Physician’s door instructing patients to “seek care elsewhere” for any reason can be considered Patient Abandonment under Florida law. :(

His opinion regarding the new health care legislation may be correct; however, there are better ways to make a point without crossing the line between patient care and politics.

You're right... he can always retire. Then no one is getting his care. :rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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You mean to say that an individual in the United States of America is not allowed to run his or her business as they see fit? Oh yeah, I forgot, that can only happen in a free country. I cannot see complaining about the ethics of a doctor and not the total lack of ethics in our congress and White House.
 

mjolnir131

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This is a sad and disappointing example of a Physician who has let his anger get in the way of his moral and ethical responsibilities to care for other humans.

The Doctor himself admits that “turning anybody away” is unethical; however, that is exactly what he is doing and it is beyond unethical.

The written notice on this Physician’s door instructing patients to “seek care elsewhere” for any reason can be considered Patient Abandonment under Florida law. :(

His opinion regarding the new health care legislation may be correct; however, there are better ways to make a point without crossing the line between patient care and politics.

No what's sad and disappointing are the peoples reaction to his actions, An adult can and does separate there emotional response from there work ethic, many a time in my life i may have totally disagreed with a person's view but if they needed help and asked me and i said yes they got 110% of my effort irregardless of their beliefs, because i said i would help ,just like this doctor has said he will not turn anybody away, in other words here are my views if you still feel comfortable coming here you get 110%. I know the socialist left tries to condition us to think that child like behavior is acptable and the norm, but trust me it's not how you should act nor is it how allot of people do think and behave.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
There will also no mention be made about the "ethics of the left" when services are cut or rationed due to lack of funding. There is NEVER enough money to run a public health system. The funds get eaten up by administration costs. There will be no mention made about the "ethics of the left" when access to front line drugs is restricted and people are required to buy generics unless there is not another option. Then they MIGHT be allowed access to those drugs, IF they fit the treatment profile. These treatment profiles will be set by government people, not your doctor. Yeah, ethics. We won't even go into "Do no harm" and then talk about what goes on in "those" clinics, but the "left" is ok with that.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
If the doctor doesn't question the patients directly and only has the sign on his door I see nothing unethical about it. It could as easily have been Bush a few years ago, Clinton several years ago, or President Unknown in 3 years. I wish every doctor who knows better than this idiocy forced on us would post a similar sign on their door.
 

mjolnir131

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yea when you hit 65-70 most all medical treatments get classified as optional therefor not covered in those systems. England's health care system is constantly hiding stuff from the BBC and Sky1 reporters in an attempt to make it look like it's not happening even when it is.
 

layoutshooter

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yea when you hit 65-70 most all medical treatments get classified as optional therefor not covered in those systems. England's health care system is constantly hiding stuff from the BBC and Sky1 reporters in an attempt to make it look like it's not happening even when it is.


We saw exactly that first hand when we lived in England. We are headed for an English style single payer system. Not a good thing. While the English system has some good features the down sides greatly outweigh the benefits.

Just wait until some government lackey starts setting limits on doctors wages. Same for nurses and all health care workers. Yep, that enhances freedom, does it not? Will curtailed wages increase or decrease the number of health care workers?

Tort reform? The liberals are fighting it, for now. They WANT to continue to drive up the cost of health care, as this bill will do. Then they can use the continued high cost to justify the next phase of the takeover. THEN, just as in England, they will impose STRICT tort reform. Almost, but not quite, removing any form of lawsuits against the government. Since health care is run by the government, well, you should get the picture.
 

greg334

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There is no issue of ethics here, the doctor is in business to make a living, his oath has nothing to do with the his position on political matters as much as it has to do with the fact that the patients have other choices to see other doctors. It is not like he is in a rural community in the 1920's where the only other doctor is 25 miles away.

But as mentioned tort reform will never take place in the positive manner. Just recently the DoJ has decided that Pfizer is too large to take on which means they now have a green light to do more bad things. So that can mean that class action suits, serious drug issues and a number of other - what would be considered normally corrective measures - will go to the wayside because of this decision. The mitigating factor was simply that the medicare/medicaid patient will be at risk if Pfizer was damaged. The outcome may have been a loss of medicines and massive job losses - this from a company that has shed over 80,000 jobs in the last 7 years. NO where did the DoJ sue to have the patents revoked as part of the punishment and then go after the company but instead hit them with a $2B fine and a waving pointed finger "don't do that again".

Too bad though, people are so fooled with this medicare crap and how important it is all to the country. They will be the first to be restricted by any litigation for any malpractice issues or drug issue.
 

AMonger

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This is a sad and disappointing example of a Physician who has let his anger get in the way of his moral and ethical responsibilities to care for other humans.

The Doctor himself admits that “turning anybody away” is unethical; however, that is exactly what he is doing and it is beyond unethical.

The written notice on this Physician’s door instructing patients to “seek care elsewhere” for any reason can be considered Patient Abandonment under Florida law. :(

His opinion regarding the new health care legislation may be correct; however, there are better ways to make a point without crossing the line between patient care and politics.

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, and come to think of it, I didn't stay at the hotel chain that makes you smarter the next day. I don't know the details of the Florida law you're citing, but in an interview, the doctor said he's not interrogating patients over their votes, and he wouldn't actually turn one away even if he found out they voted for Karl Marx Jr. aka Obama.

That said, there are many laws in this country that are in opposition to freedom, and if the law in Florida is as you say it is, then that's one of them. This is, er, used to be a free country, remember? If the doctor treats a patient once, is he then their slave, required to treat them after that? There are certainly other doctors in town. Now, if he turned a patient away and THEN refused to even fax their records over to the new doctor, I guess I'd have a moral/ethical problem with that.
 

davekc

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While there are no signs as of yet, The family clinic is on the verge of saying NO to medicare or medicaid patience. They may make some exceptions for existing patients, but won't take any new ones. The problem with this healthcare bill is that many will bail all together or follow suit.
As far as ethics, yes they would help someone dying in the street, but that is much different than whether they should be accepted for care outside of that.
 
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