G-8 leaders agree to battle man made (yes man made) Global Warming

[Dreammaker]

A while back, I got into a heated discussion with one of the "global warming" proponents about 1. whether and to what extent the earth was warming/cooling over a certain period of time and 2. whether humans in their current post industrial (at least post industrial after Obama finishes his plans for the U.S.) era.

The current climate change ranting reminds me of the periodic stories that the anointed one will be coming back and the world is going to end. When I was in seminary at the Candler School of Theology at Emory University, I happened upon 20 Centuries of Great Preaching. It's kind of like the Encyclopedia Britannica for those going into the preaching profession. Seems as if this theme that the world is coming to an end keeps coming up each century. The Catholic Church in its frustration about saying He is coming back and He didn't changed the inheritance laws so the church could stay in business until He does or does not come back.

In the same light, many of these same climate change folks were clamoring that the world was going into a period of substantive global cooling back in the 1970s.

To all I would recommend two DVDs available through the History Channel: How the Earth was Made and Earth The Biography. At the very least, you will learn a lot that you missed in high school or college geology, botany, and biology. You will note that our gracious planet has continued to spin through the ether with its atmosphere intact through 5 near life extinguishing events. As my good friend, Layout, points out, it will happen again. At least once, the earth has been totally covered with ice. Secondly, there have been periods in the earth's history when temperatures were higher than they are today. There were lush savannas with a panoply of life during that time. Seems as if higher temperatures and more "greenhouse gases" promotes a lot of plant growth. Higher plant growth promotes more animals and in today's environment more food for those starving folks wherever they may be. Since man wasn't around during those times, he could have had nothing to do with the inputs and subsequent observed climate. In any event, I highly recommend those two videos to anyone who wants to learn a lot more about our earth's systems and history than the sham, twisted, self advertisement that Al Gore put out in his Inconvenient Lack of Truth.

I can only imagine Al Gore back when the earth was becoming totally iced over saying we need more carbon now. Burn everything in sight, burn the bogs. Of course, he would have invested in all the bogs and set up an exchange to trade bog carbon credits. What a charlatan and snake oil salesman our former Vice President has turned out to be. He has taken a sliver of the whole truth and promoted it as if it were the whole truth. As a promoter, I have to hand it to him, he has interjected his bile into our national and now international governmental body. As a truthteller, there is a place for him where it gets awfully hot and there is a lot of carbon dioxide floating around.

 

[Turtle]

We can't have much of an effect, much less control, the local weather, but human-induced Global Warming and Climate Change is based on the premise that we can. Mount St Helens put more debris, ash, particulate matter and greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in a few seconds than mankind has in all of human history.


Just one small example of the junk science that's passed off as being from "experts" and is believed without question is the problem with coral reefs. The quote from above sounds frightening:

"Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise."

Yet the fact is, coral reefs are really not at all "highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature." Some of the widest temperature ranges in the oceans occur right where coral reefs flourish, where the water is shallow and the temperature varies wildly, versus deeper waters where the temperatures remain nearly constant. Key West, for example, has water temperatures that vary throughout the year from the upper-50's to the upper 80's. The coral reefs off Pensacola vary between the low 50's to the upper 80's. In areas of the South Pacific and the Great Barrier Reef, where coral is most abundant, the average and high temperatures are 10-15 degrees higher than in other parts of the world.

It has been widely suggested, even more widely reported, and even still more widely believed, that slight increases in episodic water temperature (in increase in "maximum" temperatures) causes coral bleaching, and thus death, due to "algal stress", and that chronic increases (an increase in "average" temperatures) cause bleaching due to physiological stress (thinning of coral tissues.

Yet the actual, repeatedly demonstrable cause of coral bleaching is not high or varied temperature. The cause may surprise you. It's caused by humans, though. But it's caused in a much more direct, and preventable way, than the mythos of global warming. It's caused by sunscreen. Yep, good old fashioned sunblock. Coppertone. Paraben, cinnamate, benzophenone, and a camphor derivative found in all SFP-whatever sunscreens.

The study was done by a research team (who is not funded by anything Global Warming and Climate Change related) led by Roberto Danovaro of the Polytechnic University of Marche in Italy. The findings were published in the scientific peer reviewed journal Environmental Health Perspectives (Sunscreens Cause Coral Bleaching by Promoting Viral Infections), a journal of National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), under the United States Department of Health and Human Services.

It was noticed by someone, likely a long time ago, that there was a link between the coral damage and human activity, and where there was little human activity in the water, there was likewise little coral damage, which suggests that global warming or climate change has nothing to do with it. The study confirms that theory, as almost certainly begrudgingly reported by the National Geographic.

 

[chefdennis]

You all realize that the most abundant "greenhouse gas" is "Dihydrogen monoxide".....i mean we had better get a grip on it and quick....there is more of that the carbon....

Oh its "Water Vapor"....

 

[Turtle]

Did you know that the UN (and it's related research organizations and affiliates) has mandated that "water vapor" be eliminated as an official greenhouse gas because it is one that humans do not produce in sufficient amounts and cannot control? As a result, the effects of water vapor on the atmosphere are removed from nearly all official computer models of predictive climate change, as well as any research that includes the effects of water vapor are not to be considered as valid research.

Follow the money.

 

[chefdennis]

yea Turtle i knew of the un mandate on water vapor, they had to do something to make their #'s work for their agenda...

Turtle wrote:

Follow the money.

That you hardshelled one is what it is all about!!

 

[Moot]

I'm more concerned with this than climate change:

What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth?
Judging from exhaustive and repeated realistic simulations
involving a sledge hammer and a common frog,
we can assume it will be pretty bad.

 

[Dreammaker]

I'm more concerned with this than climate change:

What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth?
Judging from exhaustive and repeated realistic simulations
involving a sledge hammer and a common frog,
we can assume it will be pretty bad.

Moot,

I agree with you. The last time that happened some of the most successful long lived animals on the earth lost their food supply and clean air. We now pump their remains from pockets of sediment to fuel our transportation. In spite of several movies speculating on how we, as earthlings, would try to deal with imminent asteroid impact, I am not sure if any of the proposed scripts or even war gaming plans in the Pentagon give us any assurance that we could blow the thing off track.

However, the earth has survived several asteroid impacts and I would give it a fair chance of survival if hit again. Whether we survive is a different story.

 

[layoutshooter]

Of course man can have both positve and negative impacts on the environment. Those impacts TEND to be more local and less global. Take the "Lessor Scaup" for example. That duck is one of the most common in the world but it's numbers have been dropping dramaticlly for years. They are down from a breeding population of about 8 million pairs in the mid 1970's to around 3.5 million pairs now. Still a lot of birds BUT that trend continues. Why? No one is quite sure but it is likely that it is a MAN MADE problem or problems. IE: zebra mussles, the birds eat them and two things happen, it takes more energy to procces them than the bird gets from them and the mussles tend to concentrate disolved toxins which the birds ingest. Those mussles WERE introduced by MAN!! Another possible cause is showing up in spring stop over areas in MN. They feed mainly on "Scuds" in these areas. Scuds are small aquatic creatures that are VERY high in protien and build fat in the females to sustain them during the nesting cycle. The numbers of scuds are WAY down and in some areas the birds are eating as much as 75% fewer scuds than nomral. The result of that is under weight hens that have problems breeding. What has caused the scuds to decline? Two things, both MAN MADE. Draining wetlands, often to produce corn for bio-fuels AND high phosphate detergents.

We are causing problems but all those that we are causing can be fixed at very little cost and effort. There is NO need to panic. Think local and the repairs ARE then global. As to the climate change, global warming bunk, it's bunk. NO valid evidence. The models they are using are way too short term to account for history.

 

[LDB]

Let's see. The G8 is a bunch of foreigners supplying information. They say global warming so that makes it so. We should listen and believe because they obviously know what they are talking about.

Hey, wait a minute. It was the same bunch of foreigners who said Iraq had wmd's and we listened and acted. DOUG, you are a genius! You've just proved Bush was right in what he did because it was based on information provided by the same obviously always accurate and correct foreign sources. WAY TO GO DOUG!

 

[greg334]

Can someone please explain to me why in the h*ll NYC is not underwater yet?

As of today's comments from our messiah, the melting of the ice caps and greenland has raised the oceans to never before seen levels and from all accounts NYC should be now have boats in place of taxis.

 

[highway star]

Here's a simple question, Doug. If you believe climate change is caused by man, how do you explain climate change that happened before there was man and his evil smokestacks and tailpipes? No cut and paste, please. Your opinion.

 

[greg334]

Here's a simple question, Doug. If you believe climate change is caused by man, how do you explain climate change that happened before there was man and his evil smokestacks and tailpipes? No cut and paste, please. Your opinion.

No Highway, it is like this ....

Here's a simple question, Doug. If you believe climate change is caused by man, why are you driving a truck?

 

[layoutshooter]

No Highway, it is like this ....

Here's a simple question, Doug. If you believe climate change is caused by man, why are you driving a truck?

OR, going to amusement parks, casinos, concerts, movies, bowling alleys, malls, hockey games, baseball games etc etc etc. ALL those things produce what some call "GreenHouse" gases. WHY, if MAN in the cause, are they ONLY going after autos and the industrial base? WHY is everyone so blind to this? Poor education. We no longer teach critical thinking OR the DUTY to question EVERYTHING!! The Nation is now a "Ship of Fools" captained by a captain that has NO experience to run that ship what so ever. AND then they believe him faster than they would if GOD himself talked straight to them.

 

[greg334]

Well Layout I have watched films being made, and the amount of energy used and pollution created is just amazing. I was at one shoot a while ago and the amount of people, equipment and food (a lot of food) needed to do that one day of filming was unreal. Then there was special effects and things were destroyed, which meant more wasted energy and more wasted material. I could have built a house from just the material that was used and destroyed that day, not a small one either.

The Film industry, Hollywood, produces more pollution in one film than my truck has in it's 10 years of being on the road. That is just in film production - not taking in account the amount of pollution that it produced through distribution and on site showings of the film (look at the waste at theaters). The entire industry does not produce one tangible item, not a one.

The music industry ranks up there, between the productions of records (CDs) to the concerts, this is another industry that produces nothing but consumes so much.

 

[layoutshooter]

Well Layout I have watched films being made, and the amount of energy used and pollution created is just amazing. I was at one shoot a while ago and the amount of people, equipment and food (a lot of food) needed to do that one day of filming was unreal. Then there was special effects and things were destroyed, which meant more wasted energy and more wasted material. I could have built a house from just the material that was used and destroyed that day, not a small one either.

The Film industry, Hollywood, produces more pollution in one film than my truck has in it's 10 years of being on the road. That is just in film production - not taking in account the amount of pollution that it produced through distribution and on site showings of the film (look at the waste at theaters). The entire industry does not produce one tangible item, not a one.

The music industry ranks up there, between the productions of records (CDs) to the concerts, this is another industry that produces nothing but consumes so much.

I am WELL aware of that. I just wonder why SO many fall for this stuff? What is the reason that the Global Warming folks mainly pick on the US auto and industrial bases? IF this was man made would it not make more sense to do away with or cut back on EVERYTHING? I am willing to bet that we are doing this to cut our ability to PRODUCE and therefore REMAIN a military power. The goal is to castrate our power, nothing more.