"Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

EnglishLady

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A controversial measure providing a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children was dealt a death blow in the Senate on Saturday by Republicans who said it would reward illegal activity.

The so-called "Dream Act" passed the House of Representatives earlier this month, but it failed to gain the 60 votes necessary to overcome opposition in the 100-member Senate

President Barack Obama and Democratic supporters vowed to push again for the measure in the new Congress that will be seated in January.

"It is disappointing that common sense did not prevail today," Obama said in a statement. "But my administration will not give up on the DREAM Act, or on the important business of fixing our broken immigration system."

The legislation would have provided legal residency to young people who came to the United States illegally before age 16 and who graduated from high school, completed two years of college or military service and had no criminal record.

"They believe in their heart of hearts this is home, this is the only country they have ever known. All they're asking for is a chance to serve this nation," said Democratic Senator Dick Durbin, the measure's sponsor.

The measure was backed by Hispanic activists, who have been disappointed by Democrats' failure to deliver on Obama's promise of comprehensive immigration reform.

"The Senate has made a huge mistake today. It has failed to recognize the contributions of thousands upon thousands of bright, creative young people that love this country like their own home," Jorge-Mario Cabrera, an activist with the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, told Reuters.

Maria Rodriguez, and activist with the California DREAM Network, said: "The future doctors, lawyers, astronauts, chefs, and attorneys waiting for this vote to become a reality will continue to remain in the shadow and afraid to show America their beauty and skills."

With dozens of college-age Hispanics watching from the gallery, the measure failed on a largely party-line vote of 55-41. Although it gained a majority, the bill needed to reach a 60-vote threshold to advance in the 100-seat Senate.

Republicans said the bill would have made it more difficult to enforce immigration laws.

"The American people are pleading with Congress to enforce our laws, but this bill is a law that at its fundamental core is a reward for illegal activity," said Republican Senator Jeff Sessions.

The bill's failure to pass the Senate means the legislation dies with the 111th Congress. Supporters will face a steep uphill battle when the new Congress is seated on January 5 and Republicans control the House and have a greater say in the Senate.

In his presidential campaign in 2008, Obama pledged to push for an immigration overhaul, boosting border security and offering steps to legal status for many of the nearly 11 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. His administration and Congress have so far failed to agree on comprehensive measures
 

greg334

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It does not matter if they were here for 20 years out of their 21 years on earth, their parents broke the law, they are as guilty as their parents and need to be returned back to their home country.

We are a nation of laws, not a nation of excuses. Our society tears apart families all the time - from prisoners who have to leave their homes and the children are now have one less parent to our social services who sometimes rips the kids out of the hands of the parents for sometimes trivial issues.
 

Pilgrim

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The fact that they are Mexicans is reason enough to ship them back where they belong!!

That is the false premise so often used to justify this amnesty.

The fact that they are HERE ILLEGALLY is reason enough to ship them back where they belong.
 

davekc

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Personally, I am glad it failed.
You can't provide benefits to people that are illegal, and deny those same benefits to your own citizens. Or worse yet, ask the actual US citizens to pay for it through taxes.
Reid was a total idiot for even bringing it up. Especially with the claim "it will save money down the road". Save money now and deport them.
 

cheri1122

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Wonder if anyone pointed out to Durbin [et al] that if "all they want to do is serve this country", they can start by observing the law: go back to Mexico [or wherever they were born] and start over, the legal route.:mad:
 

davekc

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Wonder if anyone pointed out to Durbin [et al] that if "all they want to do is serve this country", they can start by observing the law: go back to Mexico [or wherever they were born] and start over, the legal route.:mad:

That is the general policy of most other nations including Mexico.
 

davekc

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Question:

Can someone enlighten me please.....

If they are illegal, how did they join the Military?


:confused:

That is why many say it is a hidden path to citizenship.
Same thing with providing free two year college tuition.
 

cheri1122

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I don't think anyone has, so far, served in the military - it's a proposal to allow them to do so, in pursuit of citizenship.
 

davekc

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I don't think anyone has, so far, served in the military - it's a proposal to allow them to do so, in pursuit of citizenship.

That is correct. It would have been one of the options if the bill passed.
 

Turtle

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I don't support this current bill, the one that fortunately didn't pass, because as the critics say, it was too broad. It allowed for a path to citizenship provided you came here prior to age 16, which is hardly the age where America is the only country they've ever known. If they come here prior to the age of schooling, like 4 or 5 years old, and then graduate high school, then I don't have a problem with it. But to come here at 15 1/2, graduate high school, and then become a US citizen at the age of 20, I don't think so.

But, what do you do with a kid who came to this country at 8 months old, who grew up here and graduated high school with a 4.0 average, who was both Senior Class President and Valedictorian, and is in his third year of a full-ride engineering scholarship at Northwestern, and it was during his college application procedures that he found out he was an illegal alien? That's a kid in my town. He had no clue he wasn't an American. America is all he's known. He grew up pledging allegiance to our flag and singing our national anthem. He's as red-blooded as Americans come. His parents have owned the most popular student book store in town for 18 years, his dad is a deacon in the church and a member of the Rotary Club, and his mom is the current president of the Women's Club.

So what do we do with this good-for-nothing family who is such a burden on society? Pack them up and send them, uhm, home?
 

witness23

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I don't support this current bill, the one that fortunately didn't pass, because as the critics say, it was too broad. It allowed for a path to citizenship provided you came here prior to age 16, which is hardly the age where America is the only country they've ever known. If they come here prior to the age of schooling, like 4 or 5 years old, and then graduate high school, then I don't have a problem with it. But to come here at 15 1/2, graduate high school, and then become a US citizen at the age of 20, I don't think so.

But, what do you do with a kid who came to this country at 8 months old, who grew up here and graduated high school with a 4.0 average, who was both Senior Class President and Valedictorian, and is in his third year of a full-ride engineering scholarship at Northwestern, and it was during his college application procedures that he found out he was an illegal alien? That's a kid in my town. He had no clue he wasn't an American. America is all he's known. He grew up pledging allegiance to our flag and singing our national anthem. He's as red-blooded as Americans come. His parents have owned the most popular student book store in town for 18 years, his dad is a deacon in the church and a member of the Rotary Club, and his mom is the current president of the Women's Club.

So what do we do with this good-for-nothing family who is such a burden on society? Pack them up and send them, uhm, home?

Yeah right Turtle, you're just makin' stuff up. Even if it did happen, the odds of that happening again is a million to 1. The other million are just lazy, no good, do for nothings, living off the Government teat. I don't like those odds and I don't like me no Mexicans.
 

greg334

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But, what do you do with a kid who came to this country at 8 months old, who grew up here and graduated high school with a 4.0 average, who was both Senior Class President and Valedictorian, and is in his third year of a full-ride engineering scholarship at Northwestern, and it was during his college application procedures that he found out he was an illegal alien?

He and his parents go back to where his parents came from - period.

IT is not the problem of the citizens of this country what his circumstances are that led him here or how he progressed through the education system, it is his problem and those of his parents that they invaded the country, setup a home without going through the established legal process while knowing the outcome of breaking the laws of this country.

ONCE we started to look pass the laws, put some sort of compassion into their cases and then decide to let things go, we were in trouble.

We do not consider compassion for families that are broken up when there is a crime committed and the person charged with that crime goes through due process so why should we with immigration issues?

We have broken up countless families when crimes have been committed and considering invasion of a country starts wars and there is a lot of reasons why immigration abuse should be near the top of the list of crimes, it does not matter what his parents are or what he has achieved, he is by definition of our laws a criminal.

Deportation is the only solution, not allowing them to be a step ahead of a citizen (born or naturalized) or take the services from those who are struggling.
 

Turtle

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Yeah right Turtle, you're just makin' stuff up.
Uhm, if you say so.

Even if it did happen, the odds of that happening again is a million to 1.
Second in a million - Pedro Ramirez, Fresno State's student body president, came here when he was 6 weeks old

Third in a million - Hector Lopez, former student body class president at Rex Putnam High School, came here when he was 3 years old

I'm thinkin' there might be another one or two, at least.

The other million are just lazy, no good, do for nothings, living off the Government teat.
I had no idea you were so ignorant on the topics of the day.
I don't like those odds and I don't like me no Mexicans.
I don't care.
 

layoutshooter

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This entire mess is 100% the fault of a do nothing government that caters to anyone or any group for the sole purpose of garnering votes. We SHOULD have had a REAL policy for immigration YEARS ago. Our borders SHOULD have been secured YEARS ago.

As to those who have down well, Mexico NEEDS citizens of that caliber to straighten out THEIR country. Mexico should also reimburse us for the education and other tax payer services that the People of the United States PAID for with their hard labor. It was NOT there for illegals to steal.
 

witness23

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Uhm, if you say so.

Second in a million - Pedro Ramirez, Fresno State's student body president, came here when he was 6 weeks old

Third in a million - Hector Lopez, former student body class president at Rex Putnam High School, came here when he was 3 years old

I'm thinkin' there might be another one or two, at least.

I had no idea you were so ignorant on the topics of the day.
I don't care.

I thought it would be obvious to someone who has the ability to grasp the english language and the reading comprehension skills such as your self, that you would be able to determine I was being sarcastic. Maybe I've mis-judged you Turtle.
 

Turtle

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He and his parents go back to where his parents came from - period.
Okie dokie.

IT is not the problem of the citizens of this country what his circumstances are that led him here or how he progressed through the education system, it is his problem and those of his parents that they invaded the country, setup a home without going through the established legal process while knowing the outcome of breaking the laws of this country.
Yeah, it's a real problem when people set up homes and contribute to society by working an honest job, living their lives and staying out of trouble. Like I said, they're good-for-nothing. <snort>

ONCE we started to look pass the laws, put some sort of compassion into their cases and then decide to let things go, we were in trouble.
Once we start applying things in black and white with no compassion as a people, we're beyond being in trouble.

We do not consider compassion for families that are broken up when there is a crime committed and the person charged with that crime goes through due process so why should we with immigration issues?
Actually, we do. It depends on the crime committed. There are, dare I say, countless sentences handed out in with compassion for the family, where if the crime is a relatively minor one and the possible sentence is a large fine or jail time, the judge will often reduce one or both possibles, and instead use increased parole or community service so as to not create a hardship on the family. They don't do that for serious crimes, but for minor crimes and misdemeanors, it happens all the time.

We have broken up countless families when crimes have been committed and considering invasion of a country starts wars and there is a lot of reasons why immigration abuse should be near the top of the list of crimes, it does not matter what his parents are or what he has achieved, he is by definition of our laws a criminal.
By definition, at most his parents committed a misdemeanor. Same as exceeding the speed limit or failure to wear a seat belt. "Countless families" aside, I can't think of any family that has been broken up by our judicial system over a misdemeanor.

Deportation is the only solution, not allowing them to be a step ahead of a citizen (born or naturalized) or take the services from those who are struggling.
That's very black and white of you. I'm not sure how being illegally dragged here as in infant gives one a step on anybody. But I'll defer to you on that matter, as I really haven't studied the nuances of immigration laws and practices.
 

layoutshooter

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MAYBE the act of illegally entering the U.S. is a misdemeanor, but the stealing of taxpayer paid services is not. The cost of that education was paid for by LEGAL, hard working Americans, NOT those who benefited from it. LEGAL Americans have had problems paying tax rates that are already too high and then having to pay for those who are not here legally it absurd.

Again, our Congress is to blame. Those who KNOWINGLY stole those services, the parents, should be charged with grand theft etc. They ARE criminals.
 

Turtle

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I thought it would be obvious to someone who has the ability to grasp the english language and the reading comprehension skills such as your self, that you would be able to determine I was being sarcastic. Maybe I've mis-judged you Turtle.
My English language and reading comprehension skills are just fine. There is nothing in your comments that even hint at sarcasm. Don't blame me because your ability to effectively communicate sarcasm is so weak that you have to get all pіssy and attempt to attack me personally using English language and the reading comprehension skills.

Take a note from Greg. He's clearly intelligent enough to disagree with what I said without attacking me in his response. He kept his comments to the issues. You, on the other hand, did not.
 

Turtle

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This entire mess is 100% the fault of a do nothing government that caters to anyone or any group for the sole purpose of garnering votes. We SHOULD have had a REAL policy for immigration YEARS ago. Our borders SHOULD have been secured YEARS ago.
I agree. Nothing can be done without first securing the borders. I find it extremely odd that both political parties say they want secure borders, yet neither are willing to do anything about it. I have a sneaking suspicion they're both lying to me. Liberals because, well, they're liberal, and conservatives because they like the cheap labor.

As for stealing taxpayer services and taxpayer-paid education, while that certainly happens, nothing of the sort happened with the family in my town. The kid nor the parents have ever taken anything, other than the things their own taxes have helped support, and even at that it's nothing you or I don't take advantage of, like roads and utilities and stuff. The full-ride scholarship to Northwestern (a privately endowed school, I might add) came from a private alumni scholarship, not taxpayer funds, and is based on academics and community involvement. It is not a scholarship you can apply for. It is awarded by members of the scholarship fund who actively seek out prospective students for the scholarship. Three such scholarships are awarded annually for the engineering school at Northwestern.
 
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