Dissolve the Union

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I was wondering...someone mentioned about dissolving the Union...the states withdrawing. that would be a neat way of rendering Obama useless...he could rule over DC!!
They could form....adopt the same constitution and start all over again...

Unified States of America....!!:D
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Sessession is illegal under the Constitution...but the states can push their sovereignty and force their states rights, more and more of them are starting that process....but the fed uses tax maney back to the states as a tool to control the 10th ammendment...the way to get the Feds attention is for the states to quit paying the taxes they collect to the fed and keep them themselves....that will get the attention real quick....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
so cut off the money pool what is left of it....
the mid west economy hasn't been hit as hard as east of the Mississippi...like farmers and ranchers...
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
I think Texas is the only state who can succeed from the union
I think if it gets that bad, I'm moving to Texas
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
the way to get the Feds attention is for the states to quit paying the taxes they collect to the fed and keep them themselves....that will get the attention real quick....
Yeah it would .... there is a mechanism that has been setup by the Federal government to take control of the individual states .... I don't want to say much more out of concern for inaccurately describing what it is .... I'll have to see if I can find the link/website.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Secession is not illegal, there are some states, North Dakota, Wyoming, Nevada, Texas, Alaska and few others where they have a contract with the Federal Government and that contract is very specific on what the feds can and can not do and what they states can do if they are not happy. Texas for one has the contraction right to divide up in 5 areas and break away from the US, it is because the fact that it was a republic. I think PA can do the same thing, it is considered a commonwealth under the agreement with the feds.

BUT there are areas of the consitition that allow the states to do different things, one is a consitutional convention which if that would take place, it may change a lot of things. Repealing the 17th amendment and putting in a recall amendment would actually do a lot for the states and the people, it would shift control from the feds to the state and people, allowing the states to decide who and how to send senators to congress. By the way that is a very liberal thing, voting for senators. The recall amendment would unify all the recall laws under one consitutional amendment which would allow the states or people to decide if they want to recall a senator or congressmen without congresional involvment. It is the control we actually need to prevent the Levins and other life long do nothing senators.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Secession? Didn't you fight for the Union in the Civil War.:rolleyes:

Now your talking of doing a flip.:confused:

OVM is Canadian. Actually, unless they found the fountain of youth, no one here fought in the "War of Northern Aggression".

Personally, I dream of that happening. I'd love to see the "Liberal States of America" and the "Conservative States of America" separate, and see how long the LSA ship takes to sink.
 

wellarmed

Not a Member
I was aware that OVM hailed from the other side of the border. The others are from union states and I guess not knowing there family history my comment may have been out of line.:eek:

Has anyone ever wondered were we would be today had there been a border within our borders.:confused:
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I did NOT fight for EITHER side in the Civil War, I was NOT alive then. I AM from Michigan but NOT a Yankee! Yankees are ships, sails, people from Connecticut AND baseball players from New York City. SO there!! I am a Michigander!! I hunt deer, ducks and LOVE hockey!! I ice fish, soft water fish and watch football!! :D
 

wellarmed

Not a Member
Layout you mentioned deer hunting,we were crossing Indiana a few days ago on I80 about deerthirty PM and seen some awesome bucks feeding on soybeans, one bachelor group of about nine or ten was a beautiful sight and there summer coats really stand out at that time of evening.
 

Rabbit

Expert Expediter
Sessession is illegal under the Constitution...


Actually, lawyers debate the issue all the time. It's not in least bit settled law, in part because the Constitution says nothing either way. As events transpired, however, it wasn't exactly the courts that settled the issue. So, there's _still_ no precedent in place, and no court has ever ruled on the matter.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
As Greg pointed out more then a few states have filed for secession. It is often thought that since Texas came onto the union as a republic, and that their state Constitution is not the same as a "state" vs a "republic" they could seceed if they wanted to. I have seen this arguement involving 2A more then a few times...states pushing their soverent rights is not the same as them filing for secession...leaving the Union is illegal and yes the SC has decide it yrs ago. I don't have a link or the SC case #, but from a 2A file i keep here is the case where the SC ruled that secession was unconstitutional:

Texas v. White, United States Supreme Court decision that was handed down in 1869, dealing with the legal status of Confederate and Reconstruction governments. The provisional Reconstruction government of Texas sued for the return of property sold by the Confederate government during the American Civil War (1861-1865). The case raised the question of which, if either, of the two governments was the valid, legal representative of Texas with the power to control state finances. The Supreme Court ruled that since secession was unconstitutional, the Confederate state government had never existed as a legal body. It therefore had no right to dispose of state property. The court also ruled that the provisional postwar government was a valid legal state government with the right to sue in the name of the people of Texas.

now this case not withstanding, states have still filed to sesceed from the union and have been turned back by the fed, there are more then a few ways for the fed to use pressure for it to be dropped...

I am not saying it is the way it should be, I would love to see a state tell the fed to stick it and walk awya from the union..wyoming probably in the best position to do so based on financial means, and they have made the threat...but most states need the money that they get from the fed, which is often times more then they sent to the fed...thats the biggest reason ut doesn't happen, too bad id love to see it personally...and i have said that for yrs, it has nothing to do with barry being the current WH occupant...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Who really CARES if it is illegal? It was illegal to form our own country and England sent a army to inforce it. The PEOPLE decided that enough was enough and did as they choose to do. All power flows from the people to the government. If the time comes that a state/s CHOOSE to suceed, they will. Then the Feds will step in and use FORCE to stop them. IF enough stand up the Feds will lose. IF not, the People will. It is as I said all along, this Brave New World that Obama is forcing down our throats will be done by FORCE!! You will see gulags in this country. I fear mass murders as well, just as in Soviet Russia, China etc. The Left is the Left, it is as it is. You should have read history. Your bad, not mine.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Layout wrote:

Who really CARES if it is illegal? It was illegal to form our own country and England sent a army to inforce it. The PEOPLE decided that enough was enough and did as they choose to do.

I totally agree, that is why i said id love to see a state walk away from the union....then maybe a few more would grow a pair and soon enough we'd have that "civil unrest" and a concerted effort to break the government and have the people take it back....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
It has yet to reach that point Dennis and I really hope that it does not. If and when it does many will die. WE have the POWER to take back our rightfull control over this government in 2010. We MUST see that it happens. It will NOT be easy with the media so controlled by the goverment and the high amount of voter fraud and intimidation. Those of us who believe in the Freedom and Dignity of Man MUST turn out 100% in 2010 and vote all the bums out. Otherwise, we will travel the road to the "Dark Side".
 
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