CA and AZ check points

[tianpatriot]

I have been expediting since May. This last week was my first time into California and Arizona. In AZ all traffic had to go through a check point. It had a drug sniffing dog and was asked if I had anyone else in the van. I have the back windows blocked off for privacy. He tried to look in and I told him it was covered. I told him I would get out of the van and unlock the door so he could look in. Instead he asked me again if there were any other people in the van. Then he let me go. In CA I had to stop like at a toll booth, the guy never got out, just told me to have a nice evening. I am curious if these check points get more intense and what other states do this.

 

[chefdennis]

LOL...welcome to the southwest...most are ok, but some can be a pita...all depends on your demeanor and how the border dude or dudettes day is going...i have been pulled out of line to have to unlock the rear door and but never a complete van check...they are mostly looking for your "reaction to their "inter-action'..just be yourself , MOST will go good...

Now if you want to get their attention, when they ask you a question, just tell them..."no comprende"...works everytime!!

 

[nightcreacher]

Guess you didnt read the signs before you entered the ports.Az is a port of entry.They can check your paperwork,and since they are a border state,will check for illegal passengers.CA is a bug port,it checks your paperwork and to see if you may be transporting any items that may bring into CA some sort of bugs.New mexico use to have an inspection area to see if you were transporting illegals,Texas probably has the most intense check spots.All the highways going out of LAredo have check spots with border paotrol and drug dogs

 

[cheri1122]

Texas & Arizona are most interested in illegal aliens and drugs, California and Florida are most interested in illegal agriculture [incoming, especially], and North Carolina is interested in illegal use of offroad fuel - only place I've ever had the tanks dipsticked, lol.
None are a big deal, just be polite.

 

[greg334]

I actually enjoyed going through the check point and being asked in a heavy Spanish accent if I have more that 4 people in the truck.

 

[layoutshooter]

"Travel from State to State? No papers? No papers" Not in the United States of America. I can't even fish on the Straights of Detroit without carrying my "papers" with me. Free country my hind end.

 

[scottm4211]

"Travel from State to State? No papers? No papers" Not in the United States of America. I can't even fish on the Straights of Detroit without carrying my "papers" with me. Free country my hind end.

You're welcome up here dude

 

[layoutshooter]

You're welcome up here dude

Welcome by many Canadians, for sure! By many of your customs people? Not always. Not even between provinces. Governments suck, no matter where they are.

 

[idtrans]

I actually enjoyed going through the check point and being asked in a heavy Spanish accent if I have more that 4 people in the truck.

LOL I agree I do also. I always talk in spanish to them and when they ask in spanish where I am from I answer in a hard red neck cb voice PEORIA ILLINOIS USA CITIZEN SIR. And they say have a nice day LOL.

The Laredo checkpoint laughs because I have my mexican wrestling masks in the van as decoration and they say hey its the wrestler LOL I am a big guy I am 6'3" 300 pounds built like a tank so they think I am a wrestler hehehe.

 

[bluejaybee]

I have been expediting since May. This last week was my first time into California and Arizona. In AZ all traffic had to go through a check point. It had a drug sniffing dog and was asked if I had anyone else in the van. I have the back windows blocked off for privacy. He tried to look in and I told him it was covered. I told him I would get out of the van and unlock the door so he could look in. Instead he asked me again if there were any other people in the van. Then he let me go. In CA I had to stop like at a toll booth, the guy never got out, just told me to have a nice evening. I am curious if these check points get more intense and what other states do this.

I have been told by many sources not to say any thing unless asked. Make no comments on weather or anything else. Just answer questions and don't volunteer any extra remarks. Never had a problem. Same thing at weigh stations. Mum is the word.

 

[Bruno]

I have been told by many sources not to say any thing unless asked. Make no comments on weather or anything else. Just answer questions and don't volunteer any extra remarks. Never had a problem. Same thing at weigh stations. Mum is the word.

They can't check your truck without your okay. The check points are a scam. Check out the Pastor that was beatin over this and won in court. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXcibD4pds&NR=1

 

[zero3nine]

Maybe next time he will just comply with the officer's request to search the vehicle.

I've been stopped in New Mexico sooooo many times while pulling a reefer full of produce, and it's always a friendly stop. NM DOT and state trooper K9 wants to see the manifest, open the trailer and let poochie take a sniff. I always welcome them into the cab of the truck if they so desire it. Sometimes they poke around in the sleeper but mostly they are interested in the trailer. What they have told me on more than one occasion is that their dogs are not only trained to smell drugs, but more specifically they are specially trained to smell US paper currency.

Take a look at New Mexico's state website sometime. They sieze SO many drugs and SO much cash it is ridiculous.

My friendly roadside visits always take less than 15 minutes because I know they have a job to do, it is in fact the job we have all hired them to do, and I am more than glad to help them do it.

Standing up for your "rights" at a border patrol checkpoint, especially the way Mr. Reverend Preacherman was going about it is completely foolish.

fired at you from my Droideka

 

[bluejaybee]

They can't check your truck without your okay. The check points are a scam. Check out the Pastor that was beatin over this and won in court. YouTube - ACTUAL FOOTAGE Pastor Anderson Beaten & Tased by Border Patrol & DPS

I wouldn't say they are a scam. They are a necessary evil, but they try to get away with alot of stuff that violates our rights. Of course, if you consent, it is not a violation of your rights. Protest, resist, question, refuse, whatever. It will cost you time and money whoever winds up being right.

 

[LDB]

I got stopped a while back at a Texas checkpoint. The dog alerted on something. They had me pull over to the side and get out of the van. The dog put his front paws up on the back bumper and scanned the inside but only alerted on the outside. They told me probably someone with contraband on their clothes leaned against my back bumper and to be sure it was hosed down really well when I next washed the truck. They wished me a good evening and sent me on my way.

 

[AMonger]

Maybe next time he will just comply with the officer's request to search the vehicle.

My friendly roadside visits always take less than 15 minutes because I know they have a job to do, it is in fact the job we have all hired them to do, and I am more than glad to help them do it.

Standing up for your "rights" at a border patrol checkpoint, especially the way Mr. Reverend Preacherman was going about it is completely foolish.

fired at you from my Droideka

Well, the thing is, Bruno and the preacherman are right. But so are you. It is a violation of an individual's right to privacy, as well as other rights (funny, you can murder a baby before it's born and call it privacy, but that same baby will have less privacy at a border checkpoint later in life), yet, at the same time, it's pretty darn easy to get through without your rights being violated any more than they are every day in the non-border states.

I went through several of these checkpoints on my last trip out west, and I was ****ed off as I approached them. I figured they'd be even more obtrusive than they had been in the past. But when I got to the front of the line, the guy just wanted to hear me speaka de englais and not look shifty while doing it. One guy wanted to open the back of the van and look in, and I figured, "Well, I am against illegal immigration and wholesale drug smuggling, so..." It took about 10 seconds and I was on my way.

It's kind of like the conundrum about hiring illegals. I don't want a national ID card or anything approaching it, yet, I don't want illegal aliens taking American jobs or employers hiring them to do so. Nor am I in favor of nobody with skin darker than Tony Orlando not being able to get a job because an employer won't hire them because they have no way to check if they're a citizen or otherwise valid worker. So what to do? Employers can't discriminate based on a suspicion that an applicant might not be a citizen, and yet we want employers who hire illegals to get fined back to the Stone Age... So we have a contradiction here, just like at the border.

Anybody have any ideas that don't violate our rights to privacy and against unreasonable search/seizure, detention, the right to unimpeded travel, and will still keep identify the illegals?

 

[AMonger]

Maybe next time he will just comply with the officer's request to search the vehicle.

He's under no compunction--legal, ethical, or moral--to waive his rights and allow a search. Our constitution is quite clear on this. Want to search? Get a warrant, which you have to have probable cause to get. I know the courts have whittled away at that, but that's not what the constitution says. The constitution says nothing about exclusion zones near the border, either.

My suggestion to the preacherman would be to consider that we don't want illegals or drugs coming across the border, so maybe it would be a good idea for him to allow the search in order to fight illegal immigration and drugs. But if he chooses not to, I can't criticize him for that.

Take a look at New Mexico's state website sometime. They sieze SO many drugs and SO much cash it is ridiculous.

So that's your standard? If they are successful in their search, that validates the search? If that's the standard, you'll have no rights left.

My friendly roadside visits always take less than 15 minutes because I know they have a job to do, it is in fact the job we have all hired them to do, and I am more than glad to help them do it.

If it took 15 minutes, I'd be steaming. If there's no probable cause to search me, it had better be more like 15 seconds.

Waive all of your rights that you want to waive. That we corporately hired them doesn't give them carte blanche to do as they please. You/we can't give them any power that we don't have individually.

 

[AMonger]

They can't check your truck without your okay. The check points are a scam. Check out the Pastor that was beatin over this and won in court. YouTube - ACTUAL FOOTAGE Pastor Anderson Beaten & Tased by Border Patrol & DPS

You sure he won? That's not what I heard.

 

[zero3nine]

He's under no compunction--legal, ethical, or moral--to waive his rights and allow a search. Our constitution is quite clear on this. Want to search? Get a warrant, which you have to have probable cause to get. I know the courts have whittled away at that, but that's not what the constitution says. The constitution says nothing about exclusion zones near the border, either.

My suggestion to the preacherman would be to consider that we don't want illegals or drugs coming across the border, so maybe it would be a good idea for him to allow the search in order to fight illegal immigration and drugs. But if he chooses not to, I can't criticize him for that.



So that's your standard? If they are successful in their search, that validates the search? If that's the standard, you'll have no rights left.




If it took 15 minutes, I'd be steaming. If there's no probable cause to search me, it had better be more like 15 seconds.

Waive all of your rights that you want to waive. That we corporately hired them doesn't give them carte blanche to do as they please. You/we can't give them any power that we don't have individually.

Blah blah blah. They have a job to do. They are doing it in a certain area. Accept the fact that they have to look at everyone since the enemy is trying to blend in.

Funny I don't recall the constitution using the words "unimpeded travel." Please do correct me if I'm wrong, making sure to cite chapter and verse.

fired at you from my Droideka

 

[Bruno]

Next thing you will tell me you can't open carry a gun too.

 

[AMonger]

Blah blah blah. They have a job to do. They are doing it in a certain area. Accept the fact that they have to look at everyone since the enemy is trying to blend in.

You realize how many violations you could "cover" with that crap? Yeah, the guards at Treblinka were just doing their jobs. Why can't you accept that fact?

Funny I don't recall the constitution using the words "unimpeded travel." Please do correct me if I'm wrong, making sure to cite chapter and verse.

The 9th amendment, for one. Second, to impede my travel without probable cause is to violate the security of my person, which I'm sure you can find in the Bill of Rights. Do you need me to send you a copy?

We--the people-- start with ALL rights and powers, and we cede a little bit to the government we created through the states, just enough for them to function. No more. And they don't get to expand their powers. Them, public servants; us, the public.