Biden Does It Again

Pilgrim

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Quoting from Joe Biden speaking Sunday to a group of Seattle fundraisers:

"Mark my words, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

One can just imagine the reaction of the mainstream media if Sarah Palin had said something like this. Biden is practially guaranteeing that Iran, Russia, North Korea, Al-Quaeda, etc. - take your pick - will make a provacative move because of the inexperience and perceived weakness of the most liberal member of the US Senate who is the Democrat nominee for President. Given his publicly stated intention of giving up on Iraq and drastically reducing our military strength if elected, it's fair to say Biden's prediction is right on the money - especially if the aforementioned crisis is perpetrated by the Iranians to accelerate the withdrawal of US troops from their next-door neighbor.

Of course the Democrat retort might be to say "look how well JFK handled the Cuban missle situation." Fine - but like Dan Quayle, BHO is no JFK by any stretch of the imagination and our military situation is different now. We will have two active conflicts going on, and a third situation that would require troops and/or military assets would be an enormous strain. You can bet our enemies are acutely aware of this possibility and are anxiously awaiting the election results from the US on Nov. 4th. It's also not hard to imagine which campaign bumper stickers they have on their cars - or camels, as the case may be.
 

Turtle

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He went on to say, "He’s gonna have to make some really tough - I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s gonna happen.”

It was in the context that every president gets tested almost immediately after taking the oath of office, and was a follow-up from the night before on his comments in San Francisco:

“We’re going to face a major international challenge. Because they’re going to want to test him, just like they did young John Kennedy. They’re going to want to test him. And they’re going to find out this guy’s got steel in his spine,” as he was telling the crowd to continue to stand by Obama and know they made the right choice even when the going gets tough.

But the entire thing is basically Biden pleading with the crowd to stick with Obama when it all hits the fan, when things look really, really bad, as he is predicting.

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."


Definitely worth the read:
Political Radar: Biden to Supporters: "Gird Your Loins", For the Next President "It's Like Cleaning Augean Stables"
 

Pilgrim

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"Definitely worth the read:
Political Radar: Biden to Supporters: "Gird Your Loins", For the Next President "It's Like Cleaning Augean Stables"

A good article - and I found the comments interesting also. This is an ABC News site, and one would think the readers would be at least 50% moderate to liberal. Those leaving comments (and there's a lot of them) appear to be 99.9% against Obama, which is in stark contrast to what the polls are telling us. Could these be the same pollsters that told us Kerry was eleven points ahead at this point in time four years ago?
 

layoutshooter

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I don't think JFK handled the Cuban Missle Crisis all that well and then totally blew it during the "Bay of Pigs". He kinda had the right idea but played it badly on the missle thing and should have never promised help for that invasion if he was not going to back up his words. Never promise what you can't deliver. As for Obama, he will talk and talk and talk while Americans are killed. He wants us to go away. He thinks we are the cause of everything bad in the world. Layoutshooter
 

Pilgrim

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Here's a quote from Obama made during a speech in 2007 to an extremely liberal group called "Caucus for Priorities". I've posted this before, but I think it's appropriate to revisit this in context of the subject matter of this thread:

"As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus for Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington. First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning -- and as president, I will end it. Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals. You know where I stand."

Here's the YouTube clip - the GOP should be airing this everywhere at this point, and why they're not is beyond me. Check it out again - it only takes about 97 seconds.

YouTube - Obama-Caucus4Priorities
 

layoutshooter

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Yea, the words of a man who has his head up his, er, in the sand. I like nukes, they are what as kept us out of a really big shooting war with Russia. Just need to keep them out of the Middle East, no intellegent life there. Layoutshooter
 

arrbsthw

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I told my husband when Obama won over
Hillary that within 6 months after he is elected (if he is) that we would be bombed or victims of terrorism
again. Hmm.. guess I am not the only one
that thinks this way.
 

layoutshooter

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Not hardly, the guy 'taint got a clue about 'nutin!!!! Like my english? I am trying to lower my standards to be ready for the "New Order". Dumb is better for these goobers. Layoutshooter
 

hondaking38

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america has become lazy, they dont want to sacrifice anything,we have become used to our luxuries...and basically want everything handed to us.....hussein pretty much promises everything without anybody paying the price......and he is believed by at least 50% of the voters.....surely we have as a nation been dumbed down...
 

layoutshooter

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Man, you have that right. Lazy is the best description of a large percentage of the public although I prefere leeches. Layoutshooter
 

Tennesseahawk

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Well, when the doodoo hits the fan, and Obama needs a draft, the first ones to go should be the able-bodied government teet suckers.
 

layoutshooter

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Yea right. Teet suckers will be exempt. Only dumbies like me would serve again. When you do serve and are no longer needed this country just kicks you in the teeth, calls you names, tells you how bad you were and then throws you away. Layoutshooter
 

Turtle

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Is there anyone else besides me that thinks everyone, and I mean everyone, should have to do two years mandatory government service, preferably in the military, and then if not able-bodied or of sound mind or whatever the case may be, be assigned to other governmental duties? Like, two years immediately after graduating high school, or if you wanted to, you could defer that until you finish college. If you drop out of high school early, then you're dropping out of high school in order to serve early. And I mean everybody. If you can't cut it in combat military, you can type, or push a pencil in a government office, and if you can't do that, you can pick up trash in a National Park, or mop the floors of the Capital Building, or something in local government/community service, something, anything. Two years, mandatory. I think it would solve a whole lot of problems.

Just a thought.
 

layoutshooter

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I kind of do and kind of don't. I do feel everybody owes a debt to this country. No where else can you live as well as we do. Even our poorest have more than many rich in other countries. I would like to see it, but, what about freedom of choice? Tough one for me Turtle. I don't totally dis-agree. I just have mixed feelings. Layoutshooter
 

Turtle

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Freedom of choice? You mean like taxes and stuff? :D

Yeah, I know, a mandatory thing really does go directly against the whole notion of inalienable rights, with the biggest one being Liberty. But there should be some way to deal with that, same as dealing with the requirement that kids go to school. Kids don't have to go to public school, but they gotta go, either to private school or be home schooled. Same could be done with civil service. Doesn't have to be the military, or even within the government itself. Just like with private and home schooling, people could serve the government in the private sector that support the government. Incidentally, immigrants would also have the same requirements.

I think for no other reason it will give the people of this country a commonality and a sense of ownership of this country and a sense of focus. On more practical matters, it gives the government a better handle on future expenditures, not to mention a way large percentage of the population will be trained in case of a national emergency, everything from a Katrina all the way up to and including war.

I do think that this is the one fundamental change that will enable us to close out our first 200 years of democracy fame and start the next 200 year stint without having to tear down and rebuild the government to do it. Otherwise, as history shows, tearing it all down, or having someone else tear it down for us, is exactly what will happen.
 

layoutshooter

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Yea, I don't think your wrong but I still kinda have an itch on the back of my neck about it. I would have joined the army inspite of the draft at the time but I resented the draft. I resented being forced to join and resented the un-fairness of it. No women, college defferments etc etc. I enlisted anyway. Why? I thought is was my duty. layoutshooter
 

Pilgrim

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There's a lot of administrative and non-combat support jobs in the military that could be filled with this type of mandatory service. If these pampered, wasted high school graduates or dropouts were forced into this type of service it would certainly give them some discipline and direction that they won't get anywhere else. Of course this would have to be preceded by the usual military basic training.

I'm not sure what the requirement is now, but the time commitment for enlistment used to be a turn-off for a lot of kids coming out of high school or college. The Navy and Air Force used to be four or five years; however, if this was reduced to two or three like the Army it would probably be more attractive. At any rate, considering the benefits available now a requirement for service would seem to have more pluses than minuses.
 

layoutshooter

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Well, if I knew what I know now. How this country treats vets. How this country is now demonizing those of us who served and go as far as to blame us for what is going on today I would not serve again. Most of the people here are just not worth the sacrifice. To those who are normal I was proud to serve you. To you mal-contents and Obama-ites. You know what you can kiss. layoutshooter
 
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