Banned in Britain: Pastor Terry Jones

[EnglishLady]

CNN Jan 20

London (CNN) -- Britain has denied entry to the Florida pastor who said last year that he was "praying about" whether to burn Qurans to protest the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"The government opposes extremism in all its forms which is why we have excluded Pastor Terry Jones from the UK," a Home Office spokesperson said in a statement. "Numerous comments made by Pastor Jones are evidence of his unacceptable behaviour."

Jones vowed to take legal action to change the decision. "Just as a human being, I believe it is restrictive, against my right to travel, against my right to my opinion, to express my opinion, against basic principles of freedom of religion and freedom of speech," he said in a telephone interview.

He said he had planned to go to Britain February 9 and to spend a week to 10 days there with his church group. He has been invited to speak at several rallies in England and do book signings, he said

Jones, the pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, threatened last September to burn the Quran. "We have firmly made up our mind, but at the same time, we are definitely praying about it," Jones had told CNN.

But he changed his mind after his proposal drew sharp criticism from Muslims around the world and from U.S. officials. Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said the burning of Islam's holy books "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.

His book, "Islam Is of the Devil," is ranked at number 960,762 by Amazon.com.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

IOW, British officials aren't so much against what he said, but rather afraid of those he said it to.

Chickens.

 

[EnglishLady]

IOW, British officials aren't so much against what he said, but rather afraid of those he said it to.

Chickens.

LOL and how have you come to that conclusion from that report?


Does this not satisfy you?
"The government opposes extremism in all its forms which is why we have excluded Pastor Terry Jones from the UK," a Home Office spokesperson said in a statement. "Numerous comments made by Pastor Jones are evidence of his unacceptable behaviour."

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Of course, they have to kiss up to those they are afraid of, by saying those things.

But you have to remember... THEY are the ones who define extremism. Extremism to them is not the fact that Muslims make up a higher rate of rape. It's also no longer extremist to want Israel destroyed. I, for one, think the global warming hoax is extremism. But that would likely label me as an extremist to British officials, some time in the future. It's their way or the highway.

I don't know what this Jones guy expects tho. He's touting freedom of speech and all that, none of which is guaranteed in the UK. No wonder they're not letting him in... he's not a conformist.

 

[EnglishLady]

Of course, they have to kiss up to those they are afraid of, by saying those things.

But you have to remember... THEY are the ones who define extremism. Extremism to them is not the fact that Muslims make up a higher rate of rape. It's also no longer extremist to want Israel destroyed. I, for one, think the global warming hoax is extremism. But that would likely label me as an extremist to British officials, some time in the future. It's their way or the highway.

I don't know what this Jones guy expects tho. He's touting freedom of speech and all that, none of which is guaranteed in the UK. No wonder they're not letting him in... he's not a conformist.

If Jones was from another Country wanting to come to the US to spout off his extremist views, which in turn would undoubtedly cause trouble - would you let him in?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

If Jones was from another Country wanting to come to the US to spout off his extremist views, which in turn would undoubtedly cause trouble - would you let him in?

We did... their names were Ahmedinejad and Hugo Chavez. Both came and spouted their vitriol. One major difference tho... Jones is just stating his point of view. The two leaders want our country to fail.

 

[greg334]

Good!

If Jones was from another Country wanting to come to the US to spout off his extremist views, which in turn would undoubtedly cause trouble - would you let him in?

Well here is a good example of twisted logic.

We refused Yassir Arafat a request for a visa when he was asked by the UN to speak about the Palestinian problem back in the 80's but we allowed another terrorist in to do a fund raiser for a terrorist organization under the guise of peace - Nelson Mandela.

 

[Turtle]

They're not letting him in because he's a first class nutjob who is out of touch with reality.

 

[chefdennis]

He is in good company...the UK has banned Michael Savage also...

They are "ascared" of the muslums goin nuts and burning half the country down because of the opinions these guys have....but as was pointed out, the UK does not have the same "freedom of speech" that we have here...well that we "had"...don't ever use the word "crosshairs" or "targeted" again...well unless you are a lib democrat and are talking about Palin.....

 

[EnglishLady]

They're not letting him in because he's a first class nutjob who is out of touch with reality.

Thats a better explaination than mine - well done

 

[EnglishLady]

He is in good company...the UK has banned Michael Savage also...

They are "ascared" of the muslums goin nuts and burning half the country down because of the opinions these guys have....but as was pointed out, the UK does not have the same "freedom of speech" that we have here...well that we "had"...don't ever use the word "crosshairs" or "targeted" again...well unless you are a lib democrat and are talking about Palin.....

Out of interest on my part ..... does the US freedom of speech allow inciting racial hatred, condoning atrocities in the name of their god, etc along these lines or are there restrictions?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Out of interest on my part ..... does the US freedom of speech allow inciting racial hatred, condoning atrocities in the name of their god, etc along these lines or are there restrictions?

Yes... it's called Sharia. Last time I checked, Europe allowed it too... out of fear.

 

[EnglishLady]

Yes... it's called Sharia. Last time I checked, Europe allowed it too... out of fear.

We have Sharia Courts in Britain, but that is not what I was asking in my last post

This from the British Newspaper The Daily Mail ...

"In Britain, sharia courts are permitted to rule only in civil cases, such as divorce and financial disputes. Until last year, these rulings depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims. But now, due to a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996, they are enforceable by county and high courts.
Sharia courts are classified in the same way as arbitration tribunals - with rulings binding in law provided both parties in the dispute agree to give them the power to rule on their case.
However, a Muslim couple must still be divorced in the British courts for it to recognised under British law. The same provision in the Arbitration Act applies to Jewish Beth Din courts, which resolve similar civil cases....."


Read more: Sharia law UK... How Islam is dispensing its own justice side-by-side with British courts | Mail Online

 

[greg334]

... Jewish Beth Din courts ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ustice-side-British-courts.html#ixzz1BanPzB5O

You also have a form of a Catholic court that follows the Catholic judicial doctrine and in the case of a cross over case, say Muslim/English, the Muslim judges act as advisors to the English court but their advice is not binding.

 

[EnglishLady]

You also have a form of a Catholic court that follows the Catholic judicial doctrine and in the case of a cross over case, say Muslim/English, the Muslim judges act as advisors to the English court but their advice is not binding.

Thanks Greg, but I am still interested in a reply to the question I posed earlier ....


"Out of interest on my part ... does the US freedom of speech allow inciting racial hatred, condoning atrocities in the name of their god, etc along these lines or are there restrictions? "

 

[chefdennis]

English lady wrote:

Out of interest on my part ..... does the US freedom of speech allow inciting racial hatred, condoning atrocities in the name of their god, etc along these lines or are there restrictions?

You'd have to "prove" that the spoke word incited racial hatred and caused damage...just saying things that offend is not illegal, be they racial in content or not... and yea one can condone atrocites in whatever name they feel...it is not against the law to speak opinion that either condones or condems.....well just less you are a republican or right leaning and using terms such as "targeted" or "crosshairs"...certain dems and or left leaning politicians are trying to make laws that will make using that type of speech and or words illegal... Then you have the weak kneed that are starting to bow to the bs from cair because they don't want to offend.....

 

[Turtle]

Condoning atrocities in the name of God is the bread and butter of US foreign policy, the US government, the military, and largely that of the American people, whether any of them will admit it or not.

 

[EnglishLady]

......but as was pointed out, the UK does not have the same "freedom of speech" that we have here...

Just a little note on Britains freedom of speech (I would like to compare the US & UK, so I do hope someone will reply to my previous post LOL)

Contrary to what some believe we do have freedom of speech in the UK .... we are not Russia y'know

Basically anything can be said, discussed, debated as long as it does not incite violence.
We actually have "Corners" when public speaking can be conducted from, although free speech is allowed anywhere in the UK not just from these "corners".



"Freedom of speech could not be limited to the inoffensive but extended also to "the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome, and the provocative, as long as such speech did not tend to provoke violence", and that the right to free speech accorded by Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights also accorded the right to be offensive."
Lord Justice Sedley


Hope this helps

 

[chefdennis]

Contrary to what some believe we do have freedom of speech in the UK .... we are not Russia y'know

Basically anything can be said, discussed, debated as long as it does not incite violence.

We actually have "Corners" when public speaking can be conducted from, although free speech is allowed anywhere in the UK not just from these "corners".



"Freedom of speech could not be limited to the inoffensive but extended also to "the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome, and the provocative, as long as such speech did not tend to provoke violence", and that the right to free speech accorded by Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights also accorded the right to be offensive."
Lord Justice Sedley

"The government opposes extremism in all its forms which is why we have excluded Pastor Terry Jones from the UK," a Home Office spokesperson said in a statement. "Numerous comments made by Pastor Jones are evidence of his unacceptable behaviour."

Ok, so then what was so "extreme" that Jones did or said?? If what was written in above is still held to be true, Jones should be allowed in the UK....Yea the guy is a wack job, but from what was written , he would seem to have the right to say it..as he does here in the US...well, unless they are worried about the muslums burning half the country down in protest...

 

[EnglishLady]

Contrary to what some believe we do have freedom of speech in the UK .... we are not Russia y'know

Basically anything can be said, discussed, debated as long as it does not incite violence.





Ok, so then what was so "extreme" that Jones did or said?? If what was written in above is still held to be true, Jones should be allowed in the UK....Yea the guy is a wack job, but from what was written , he would seem to have the right to say it..as he does here in the US...well, unless they are worried about the muslums burning half the country down in protest...

The Government obviously believes that this visit would lead to violence.