Baby butchers admitting prenatal infantacide kills a baby

Turtle · Apr 15, 2013

layoutshooter said:
Using that argument negates just about anything then.

Not that it really matters anymore. The Constitution is all but been killed. We are going to be told and controlled from here on out.

True dat.

LDB · Apr 15, 2013

Piercing ears is an individual issue. Tattoos are an individual issue. Implants are an individual issue. Abortion isn't an individual issue. It affects two (at minimum) lives. An individual issue affects only one. So no, it isn't individual and I am not wrong.

Turtle · Apr 15, 2013

LDB said:
Piercing ears is an individual issue. Tattoos are an individual issue. Implants are an individual issue. Abortion isn't an individual issue. It affects two (at minimum) lives. An individual issue affects only one. So no, it isn't individual and I am not wrong.

When I say an individual issue, by that I mean the father and the mother, as a unit. The only people who should have a say in this is the one who is pregnant, and the one who got her pregnant. It's nobody else's business, since nobody has anything to do with it or them. To state otherwise is simply out of the need to mind someone else's business and tell them what to do and how to live. You wouldn't stand for someone else telling you how to live your life or raise your kids. Shoe, foot, other.

LDB · Apr 15, 2013

You are correct, until the point where my choice for my life affects another innocent life. At that point it ceases being strictly my business.

Turtle · Apr 15, 2013

LDB said:
You are correct, until the point where my choice for my life affects another innocent life. At that point it ceases being strictly my business.

Every choice you've ever made concerning your daughter fits that bill. I'm sure you'd happily accept me telling you what to do in that regard.

LDB · Apr 15, 2013

I'm open to input although with no guarantees of acceptance. But again, I'm pointing out the difference between tattoos, piercings, implants, waxings, reductions, liposuction etc. and abortions. The former are individual matters. The latter is not. The former affects only the individual choosing them. The latter does not.

ScottInBama · Apr 15, 2013

As a Christian I'm against abortion. It seems to me that everyone who supports or believes in abortion has already been born. I respect differing opinions and will not debate the issue.

RLENT · Apr 16, 2013

ScottInBama said:
It seems to me that everyone who supports or believes in abortion has already been born.

If you hold this premise precisely as stated you may wish to revisit that conclusion ... just in light of past history ...

Turtle · Apr 16, 2013

LDB said:
I'm open to input although with no guarantees of acceptance. But again, I'm pointing out the difference between tattoos, piercings, implants, waxings, reductions, liposuction etc. and abortions. The former are individual matters. The latter is not. The former affects only the individual choosing them. The latter does not.

You want to take on the role of speaking for the unborn, but it's not your unborn to be speaking for. You have no standing in the matter. It's not yours, you have nothing to do with it, it's none of your business. To think that it is your business is abject arrogance.

AMonger · Apr 16, 2013

Turtle said:
You want to take on the role of speaking for the unborn, but it's not your unborn to be speaking for. You have no standing in the matter. It's not yours, you have nothing to do with it, it's none of your business. To think that it is your business is abject arrogance.

Seems to me the ones speaking for the unborn are the ones murdering them. It's wrong to deprive them of their lives while they have no chance to testify in their own defense, no earlier than their 18th birthday.

Turtle · Apr 16, 2013

Well, if you think it's wrong, then don't have an abortion.

AMonger · Apr 16, 2013

Turtle said:
Well, if you think it's wrong, then don't have an abortion.

If you think premeditated murder is wrong, don't commit one, but leave murderers alone to do their thing. Yeah, makes sense.

Turtle · Apr 16, 2013

AMonger said:
If you think premeditated murder is wrong, don't commit one, but leave murderers alone to do their thing. Yeah, makes sense.

No, it doesn't make sense. The only way that can make sense is if you redefine what murder means.

Steady Eddie · Apr 16, 2013

Well, I guess it all comes down to one thing.

All of your Mama's was pro life

Turtle · Apr 16, 2013

There are a lot of pro choice women who have kids. My mother was adamantly pro choice. She just never chose to have an abortion, is all, and instead chose to have her babies, including my youngest brother who was definitely a surprise.

Steady Eddie · Apr 16, 2013

Looks like life to me.

Turtle · Apr 16, 2013

Steady Eddie said:
Looks like life to me. View attachment 6611

Me, too. I don't think anybody said it wasn't. Life begins at conception, I don't think there is very much debate on that.

Steady Eddie · Apr 16, 2013

Turtle said:
Me, too. I don't think anybody said it wasn't. Life begins at conception, I don't think there is very much debate on that.

Much debate on this. Pro Choice- say that that little bitty is not Life. For if they did say it is life, the admit to murder. Also, if a Mother is Pro-Choice and has her baby...well, she is Pro-Life.

I thought it looked like a baby Turtle without the shell.....

LDB · Apr 16, 2013

Pro life, pro death. Any other claim or argument is merely fecal encephalopathy, sadly a condition affecting even some of our own.

davekc · Apr 16, 2013

Turtle said:
There are a lot of pro choice women who have kids. My mother was adamantly pro choice. She just never chose to have an abortion, is all, and instead chose to have her babies, including my youngest brother who was definitely a surprise.

You mean there is a mini Turtle running around out there somewhere?