Occupy Wall Street?

[tbubster]

All of these protesters want exactly the same thing - liberty.

If you call communism, anarchism and socialism liberty then OKThe only problem with you saying they want liberty is a big part of liberty is take responsibility for your actions.When a person racks up 40-50 thousand in debt then wants that debt to be wiped out with out haveing to pay it back.That is not taking responsibility for his/her actions.When people are chanting take the bridge and get arrested for sitting in the middle of a bridge while blocking the road then blame the police for being arrested that is not taking responsibility for their actions.

The fact that almost all of the protesters are blaming the banks and wall street for the problems we face as a nation shows me they are not taking responsibility for their actions As of yet no one has made anyone buy a house they could not afford.No one has forced anyone to get a 80 thousand dollar college degree.

The fact that they seem to be embrassing the unions tell us they dont really know what they want.You know the unions that spend to the tune of 400 million dollars a year getting who they want elected.most call them lobbyist some call them unions.They protest the bank bail outs yet most seem to not understand that the bail outs were a loan with a large part of those loans already paid back.These people dont want a loan they want a bail out.

They protest capitalism.they think there should be caps on what people should be able in earn.Ok so lets say tonight at 10 PM capitalism cease to exist.When at 10:01 there are almost 300 million people out of work.Then what? Everyone in the country has to depend on the government to provide for them.Does this sound like liberty to you????Oh wait there will no longer be a government because there will be no taxes to pay for government there for no money to pay for the services that will provide for us all.

You say they all want liberty yet they way they want it takes away the liberty of others.

 

[Turtle]

Yes, people should take responsibility for their actions, but your view seems to want to hold the banks and the government utterly blameless, despite the fact that the banking industry has been for decades, with the help of the government, orchestrating things so as to suck people in and make the borrower slave to the lender, both directly and indirectly. In such a world even those who take responsibility for their actions are taking responsibility within the rules of banking and government, whether they realize it or not, and any real responsibility is an illusion. You see the small picture of communism, anarchism and socialism, but the bigger picture is freedom from the slavery of being told what to do by The Fed, the World Bank, Wall Street, and the government, who affects every aspect of our lives. These people want freedom from that, liberty from that, and they'll take it any way they can get it. Meanwhile you and I and others go about our workaday lives thinking we're above all that and that we're taking responsibility for our actions, but the reality is we're good little people doing exactly as they want us to according to their rules, living the illusion of having liberty.

 

[tbubster]

nope no illusion here.

 

[clcooper]

If you call communism, anarchism and socialism liberty then OKThe only problem with you saying they want liberty is a big part of liberty is take responsibility for your actions.When a person racks up 40-50 thousand in debt then wants that debt to be wiped out with out haveing to pay it back.That is not taking responsibility for his/her actions.When people are chanting take the bridge and get arrested for sitting in the middle of a bridge while blocking the road then blame the police for being arrested that is not taking responsibility for their actions.
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As of yet no one has made anyone buy a house they could not afford. No one has forced anyone to get a 80 thousand dollar college degree.
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nobody didn't buy a house they could not afford at the time they bought it . but they were forced out of a job . it is called unemployment .

aren't you one of the ones *****ing. people should have and learn more skills . now you are *****ing that nobody forced them to get the degree . now which way do you want it .. so every child right out of high school has 80 thousand dollars in their pockets .so they don't need to get a loan to pay for their college. Now which way do you want it

The fact that they seem to be embrassing the unions tell us they dont really know what they want.You know the unions that spend to the tune of 400 million dollars a year getting who they want elected.most call them lobbyist some call them unions.They protest the bank bail outs yet most seem to not understand that the bail outs were a loan with a large part of those loans already paid back.These people dont want a loan they want a bail out.
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do you really know what you want . did a cartoon tell you large part of the bank bail out has been paid back already .

how many tax write offs do you get /take every year . you don't think anybody else should get a bail out but you take yours before you pay any in

They protest capitalism.they think there should be caps on what people should be able in earn.Ok so lets say tonight at 10 PM capitalism cease to exist.When at 10:01 there are almost 300 million people out of work.Then what? Everyone in the country has to depend on the government to provide for them.Does this sound like liberty to you????Oh wait there will no longer be a government because there will be no taxes to pay for government there for no money to pay for the services that will provide for us all.

You say they all want liberty yet they way they want it takes away the liberty of others.

sort of sounds like a few in EO . people need to work the minimum wage jobs instead of getting unemployment . but they are also the same ones that ***** when their company calls them with a load offer lower then they would haul it for . that is ok for them to turn that low pay down but nobody else is aloud too .

help people can just walk to the nearest field and plant any type of food they want . can just open their back door and kill a cow so they can feed their family .

now think even . how many people that own land will let you plant on their land . or raise animal on their land . now times that by thousands of people doing that .

 

[clcooper]

nope no illusion here.

arent there a few that believe what a cartoon tells them . isnt there a few that talk about a NWO.

I see few in EO that dont know what they want or know what they do believe in .

 

[RLENT]

nope no illusion here.

That's correct - when you willingly do it to yourself, it's called (self) delusion ...

 

[cheri1122]

I've said it for years now: banks and insurance companies rule America.
Don't think so? Would you have a job driving if the insurance companies refuse to cover you?
Would you have any money if the banks refuse to turn your paper [check] into cash?
Unless you decide to live 'off the grid' [work for cash or barter, barter for goods & services], you work and live as the banks and insurance companies dictate.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose - but we still have a few things left to lose.....

 

[Moot]

Yup. I think the protests are largely just an indication ..... that some folks have made the observation that all is not well in Amerika ....

They may not even know or understand all of what's wrong .... and they may have absolutely no real clue about what to do to effectively handle the situation .....

I agree that many people realize all is not well in America and that they have no real clue about what to do. The problem I have with the protest and occupation of Wall Street is that it has turned into or maybe was designed from the beginning to be a ***** session about everything wrong with this country and is not specifically aimed at the banking and investment industry. I'm sure somewhere in that mob is a crazed trucker complaining about hours of service.

I realize that some of the video links posted here were edited and the interviewees were chosen because of their ignorance and outlandish ideas, but for me, one woman's comments pretty much some up the collective ideals of these protesters: "That's a complicated question. I would like to see personally, um I'm not really sure...I'd like to see a system that emphasizes social equality and economic equality. You know, like I have a background in anarchism and I would like to see some type of anarchist society."

Wow man, um, like how cool is that!

 

[RLENT]

I realize that some of the video links posted here were edited and the interviewees were chosen because of their ignorance and outlandish ideas [Rlent Editorial Comment: ya think ? ], but for me, one woman's comments pretty much some up the collective ideals of these protesters:

I'd be really leery of making the case that there is anything that approaches a monolithic "collective ideal" in something so disparate as this.

As an example:

PROPOSED LIST OF DEMANDS

.... not quite so crazy methinks ....

Please keep in mind you are watching/listening to what the MSM decides you should see and hear .... it's their call on what gets covered and what doesn't ....

And there is no shortage of agendas ....

 

[cheri1122]

I'd be really leery of making the case that there is anything that approaches a monolithic "collective ideal" in something so disparate as this.

As an example:

PROPOSED LIST OF DEMANDS

.... not quite so crazy methinks ....

Please keep in mind you are watching/listening to what the MSM decides you should see and hear .... it's their call on what gets covered and what doesn't ....

Therein lies a great deal of the anger: MSM is corporate owned, so how much are they going to spill?
Somehow, a master corporation owning/running everything [named 'Wesayso'] doesn't seem as farfetched as it did on tv years ago.....

And there is no shortage of agendas ....

Or grievances - oh wait, is that a cuss word now that the unions are the problem?

 

[tbubster]

It seems many have forgot the NATO and G-8 summits in Seattle in 1999.And what happend to those protest.Much like todays protesters they really did and do lack a cohesive message.

Here is what Naomi Klein who was a founding force in that movement had to say about these protesters.

"It is a fact of the information age that too many movements spring up like beautiful flowers but quickly die off," she said. "It's because they don't have roots. And they don't have long-term plans for how they are going to sustain themselves. So when storms come, they get washed away."

clcooper

Plenty of people bought houses that should not of.Many of them played keeping up with the jones's.Agreat deal of people bought houses they could not afford.A great deal many people took out 2nd 3rd mortgages to get cought up on the bills.Here is a hint that everyone should beable to understand if you have to borrow money to pay off your bills then maybe you are living beyond your means.

COLLEGE is not free.It is that simple.If one is willing to borrow money to pay for college in order to do something they want to in life they should not decide after they get their degree that the people that lent them the money to pay for college dont need to be payed back.

I take as many tax breaks/write offs as my CPA can find for me, and why not?I pay in plenty.

I almost never turn down a load.Anyone can go kill a cow for the meat if they own the cow.If they dont just dont get caught by the farmer.

As far as you NWO post you can read over all of my post i have ever posted.I have never said I am for this if anything I have said I am against it.nice try though.


Weather you like it or not CAPTIALISM is here to stay it is what makes the world go around.

 

[Moot]

I'd be really leery of making the case that there is anything that approaches a monolithic "collective ideal" in something so disparate as this.

Me, I'm leery of a movement that ostensibly starts off with a list of specific demands PROPOSED LIST OF DEMANDS concerning investment and banking reforms and morphs into a save the whales campaign.

.... not quite so crazy methinks ....

I agree. The list of demands has merit and should be brought to the attention of the American people. Where it does get a bit crazy is all the special and not so special interest groups that have joined the occupation. As this "Occupying Wall Street" movement spreads across the country, the original message is becoming diluted by the lunatic fringe and their demands.

Please keep in mind you are watching/listening to what the MSM decides you should see and hear .... it's their call on what gets covered and what doesn't ....

I thought I pointed out in post 28 that I realized the videos were edited and the "proper" interviewees selected. My quote of the woman with the uh,um anarchist background was used because, well to quote someone else: "It was just too good not to use."

And there is no shortage of agendas ....

Agreed! But that applies not only to the MSM, but to the protesters as well. Too many agendas spoil the broth!

 

[RLENT]

Me, I'm leery of a movement that ostensibly starts off with a list of specific demands PROPOSED LIST OF DEMANDS concerning investment and banking reforms and morphs into a save the whales campaign.

Understandably so - typically, very little good comes from a mob.

Nevertheless, as you point out below, the list that I referred to (which may only be a single individual's idea, and not "official) is worthy of consideration.

The list of demands has merit and should be brought to the attention of the American people. Where it does get a bit crazy is all the special and not so special interest groups that have joined the occupation.

Yup.

Really, it's somewhat similar to the Tea Party in that respect.

As this "Occupying Wall Street" movement spreads across the country, the original message is becoming diluted by the lunatic fringe and their demands.

Everybody's lookin' for their 15 minutes ...

I thought I pointed out in post 28 that I realized the videos were edited and the "proper" interviewees selected.

You did indeed.

My quote of the woman with the uh,um anarchist background was used because, well to quote someone else: "It was just too good not to use."

People like that give anarchy a bad name ....

Agreed! But that applies not only to the MSM, but to the protesters as well. Too many agendas spoil the broth!

Certainly

 

[clcooper]

clcooper

Plenty of people bought houses that should not of.Many of them played keeping up with the jones's.Agreat deal of people bought houses they could not afford.A great deal many people took out 2nd 3rd mortgages to get cought up on the bills.Here is a hint that everyone should beable to understand if you have to borrow money to pay off your bills then maybe you are living beyond your means..

so the banks didnt look at these peoples pay stubs . to make sure they were able to afford the payments . i went to banks looking for large loans and they all looked at my pay stubs . some said i made enough for the loan that size some said no . SO HOW DID THEY BUY A HOUSE THEY COULDNT AFFORD . sounds like the banks left them . and for the time frame you are talking about what else has happened in the same time . the gas prices went up 1 dollar a gallon . so that means the cost for everything else went up also . did the peoples pay go up and how many are unemployed

YES people need to be responsible and from what you say only the poor people need to be responsible. the rich and the business owners dont have to be responsible.

COLLEGE is not free.It is that simple.If one is willing to borrow money to pay for college in order to do something they want to in life they should not decide after they get their degree that the people that lent them the money to pay for college dont need to be payed back...

but werent you just *****ing about people getting a loan to pay for their college now you say they have to . so which way is it .
have you ever thought the people arent able to pay the college loans because they were told get a college degree and you will have a job . and GUESS what there is no body hiring . so how can the people pay a on a loan when they have no job .

I take as many tax breaks/write offs as my CPA can find for me, and why not?I pay in plenty..

so you are no better then anybody else you ***** about . you are just takeing the money before it gets in to the system . most all other people have paid in plenty . and guess what most dont get the tax breaks like you .

I almost never turn down a load.Anyone can go kill a cow for the meat if they own the cow.If they dont just dont get caught by the farmer..

so then you would be happy to get only 40 cents a mile for all your loads from now on .
any body can kill a cow . anybody can eat a cow for a few day before it spoils. only a few can make that cow last for months before the meat spoils ..

how many cows do you see in New York City .

so people that get welfare are thieves but if they kill some farmers cow that is ok .

As far as you NWO post you can read over all of my post i have ever posted.I have never said I am for this if anything I have said I am against it.nice try though..

and if you were able to think you would see what i was saying . why are you against a NWO . what is a NWO .
like i said which way do you want it . or is it you just want it your way

Weather you like it or not CAPTIALISM is here to stay it is what makes the world go around.

is this part of CAPTIALISM Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work.

are you saying Extortion ,loan shark ,corruption etc. are all part of CAPTIALISM also

this isnt 1700, 1800 any more . alot of things has changed since that time . a person going out and finding a peice of land and calling it his cant happen now more . unless you are the government or a bic business with the government in your pocket.

and so the Boston Tea Party was only about one thing . TEA ??

the Constitution of the United States was about only one thing .

 

[skyraider]

It seems many have forgot the NATO and G-8 summits in Seattle in 1999.And what happend to those protest.Much like todays protesters they really did and do lack a cohesive message.

Here is what Naomi Klein who was a founding force in that movement had to say about these protesters.

"It is a fact of the information age that too many movements spring up like beautiful flowers but quickly die off," she said. "It's because they don't have roots. And they don't have long-term plans for how they are going to sustain themselves. So when storms come, they get washed away."

clcooper


Plenty of people bought houses that should not of.Many of them played keeping up with the jones's.Agreat deal of people bought houses they could not afford.A great deal many people took out 2nd 3rd mortgages to get cought up on the bills.Here is a hint that everyone should beable to understand if you have to borrow money to pay off your bills then maybe you are living beyond your means.

COLLEGE is not free.It is that simple.If one is willing to borrow money to pay for college in order to do something they want to in life they should not decide after they get their degree that the people that lent them the money to pay for college dont need to be payed back.

I take as many tax breaks/write offs as my CPA can find for me, and why not?I pay in plenty.

I almost never turn down a load.Anyone can go kill a cow for the meat if they own the cow.If they dont just dont get caught by the farmer.

As far as you NWO post you can read over all of my post i have ever posted.I have never said I am for this if anything I have said I am against it.nice try though.


Weather you like it or not CAPTIALISM is here to stay it is what makes the world go around.

Note , u can go to college free to a point, I used the GI Bill, but took a 4 year summer trip from 66-70 USN lol. U can still use ROTC and get Army bucks, and so on........my 10 cents.

 

[tbubster]

so the banks didnt look at these peoples pay stubs . to make sure they were able to afford the payments . i went to banks looking for large loans and they all looked at my pay stubs . some said i made enough for the loan that size some said no . SO HOW DID THEY BUY A HOUSE THEY COULDNT AFFORD . sounds like the banks left them . and for the time frame you are talking about what else has happened in the same time . the gas prices went up 1 dollar a gallon . so that means the cost for everything else went up also . did the peoples pay go up and how many are unemployed

YES people need to be responsible and from what you say only the poor people need to be responsible. the rich and the business owners dont have to be responsible.



but werent you just *****ing about people getting a loan to pay for their college now you say they have to . so which way is it .
have you ever thought the people arent able to pay the college loans because they were told get a college degree and you will have a job . and GUESS what there is no body hiring . so how can the people pay a on a loan when they have no job . not what I said I said if you take a loan you have to pay it back.I Never said no one should take a loan I said dont take it is you can not afford it.

so you are no better then anybody else you ***** about . you are just takeing the money before it gets in to the system . most all other people have paid in plenty . and guess what most dont get the tax breaks like you . Again with the things I have going on I pay plenty into the system.I have never said one should not.I have said if you pay no taxes you should not get a couple thousand in my tax dollars just because you have kids.


so then you would be happy to get only 40 cents a mile for all your loads from now on .
any body can kill a cow . anybody can eat a cow for a few day before it spoils. only a few can make that cow last for months before the meat spoils ..

how many cows do you see in New York City .

so people that get welfare are thieves but if they kill some farmers cow that is ok . you are the one that started talking about cows.I never said it was ok just said dont get caught.You get caught stealing you have no right to cry about the pushinment.Did not relize this was just about NY CITY


and if you were able to think you would see what i was saying . why are you against a NWO . what is a NWO .
like i said which way do you want it . or is it you just want it your way Because i dont want some guy in china deciding what I can and can not do.


is this part of CAPTIALISM Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work. If you think having to get up and go to work and earn a pay check you use to pay for the things that you buy that in turn lets other people EARN a pay check is Slavery wellthen you need to get a clue.

are you saying Extortion ,loan shark ,corruption etc. are all part of CAPTIALISM also nope never said anything close to that.

this isnt 1700, 1800 any more . alot of things has changed since that time . a person going out and finding a peice of land and calling it his cant happen now more . unless you are the government or a bic business with the government in your pocket.

and so the Boston Tea Party was only about one thing . TEA ??

the Constitution of the United States was about only one thing .

Note , u can go to college free to a point, I used the GI Bill, but took a 4 year summer trip from 66-70 USN lol. U can still use ROTC and get Army bucks, and so on........my 10 cents.

The GI BILL was not free to you though was it?You had to serve in order to get it.It was something you EARNED.

 

[layoutshooter]

The GI BILL was not free to you though was it?You had to serve in order to get it.It was something you EARNED.

EARN your way through life? Today's "Neo-LIbs" Leftists etc believe that they are OWED everything. No need to earn ANYTHING, the "government" will show love and take care of all. Talk about slavery.

 

[clcooper]

not what I said I said if you take a loan you have to pay it back.I Never said no one should take a loan I said dont take it is you can not afford it.

If you think having to get up and go to work and earn a pay check you use to pay for the things that you buy that in turn lets other people EARN a pay check is Slavery wellthen you need to get a clue

Because i dont want some guy in china deciding what I can and can not do.

what part dont you want to understand most that are losing their houses now . were able to make their payments untill they got laid off . (treated as property)

do you know what the word forced means ??

do you know what being treated as property means ??

as far as the cow arent you the one that says people can survie today on their own . .yep every where you go there is a cow . theres more cows then people and they are all free roaming cows to . nobody owns them .

yep people can mow a few yards and make a living today . just like they did in the 1700s and the 1800s


so where do you want the guy to be from that tells you what you can do or not do .?? or is it you want south park to tell you

I take as many tax breaks/write offs as my CPA can find for me, and why not?I pay in plenty..

Again with the things I have going on I pay plenty into the system.I have never said one should not.I have said if you pay no taxes you should not get a couple thousand in my tax dollars just because you have kids.

again you say it is ok for you but not ok for anybody else . maybe they think they paid enough in now it is time for them to get some back .

how do you think the GI Bills get paid . with money from the chinese taxpayers . or does congress pay for it out of their own pockets .
so they go to the service for 4 years get paid houseing and food . plus paid some cash every 2 weeks . and then get up to 80,000 to pay for their college . that is ok but not ok for somebody with flat feet cant get in the service they are not worth that . yep the service doesnt turn anybody away they take anybody and everybody .

yep with robots doing the jobs there is still millions of jobs for people to do . what do you think a million cargo van would do to your bottom line . how much sitting will you be doing then .

if people would think with their head not their bottoms . but just like the ones they ***** about they too lost their common sense and not able to think for them selfs any more .


keep wearing the mask . i will wear the condom .

 

[AMonger]

what part dont you want to understand most that are losing their houses now . were able to make their payments untill they got laid off . (treated as property)

Being laid off is being treated like property?

So if being laid off is being treated like property, and treating someone like property is wrong, then no one could ever be laid off, is that what you're saying? How does that not enslave the business owner? How does that not violate one's right of freedom of association?

And if no one can be laid off if business slows down, and the company can't control its expenses and they eventually have to close, sending 500 people to the unemployment line, that's much better, isn't it?

 

[skyraider]

The GI BILL was not free to you though was it?You had to serve in order to get it.It was something you EARNED.

Yes, I did earn it,,,u are correct.