Wonder why?

layoutshooter · Oct 15, 2010

I wonder, why was this soldier ORDERED to destroy evidence? Are there more surprises coming? It would NOT surprise me it there are.

I wonder, IF, they are going to find a way to find this louse "insane" in order to avoid a trail. Why would they do that? Surely not to keep other "things" from coming out.

Soldier says ordered to delete Fort Hood videos

FORT HOOD, Texas – A soldier who recorded the terror of last year's deadly shooting rampage in Fort Hood using his cell phone was ordered by an officer to delete both videos, a military court heard Friday.

Under cross examination, Pfc. Lance Aviles told an Article 32 hearing that his noncommissioned officer ordered him to destroy the two videos on Nov. 5, the same day a gunman unleashed a volley of bullets inside a processing center at the Texas Army post.

The footage could have been used as evidence at the military hearing to decide if Maj. Nidal Hasan should stand trial in the shootings. The 40-year-old American-born Muslim has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.

Long story, click link for entire story.

RLENT · Oct 15, 2010

... nothing to click ......

You were apparently so overcome by spasms of frothiness ...... that you forgot to include a link ......

layoutshooter · Oct 15, 2010

Soldier says ordered to delete Fort Hood videos - Yahoo! News

Opps!! Sorry about that!!

Turtle · Oct 15, 2010

layoutshooter said:
I wonder, why was this soldier ORDERED to destroy evidence? Are there more surprises coming? It would NOT surprise me it there are.

Probably because it's illegal to photograph anything on most military bases, including Ft Hood, without expressed permission from the military, and the NCO made a bad snap call when he ordered the videos destroyed on the same day the videos were shot.

layoutshooter · Oct 15, 2010

Turtle said:
Probably because it's illegal to photograph anything on most military bases, including Ft Hood, without expressed permission from the military, and the NCO made a bad snap call when he ordered the videos destroyed on the same day the videos were shot.

Could be, except it is NOT illegal, all of the time, for SERVING members to photograph on bases. With or without permission. We took pics EVERYWHERE we were stationed EXCEPT basic training.

There were certain areas that cameras were not allowed, but for the most part, we could take pics anywhere we wanted.

Rule that apply to truck drivers and other civilians do NOT apply to serving members. Never have.

Turtle · Oct 15, 2010

Well there ya go. I've never been in the military, so I was just, ahem, shooting in the dark. I still think it was a bad snap decision by a some NCO that had a brain fart. If the videos were to be destroyed for some real reason, good or bad, then most likely a commissioned officer would have made the call and given the order. It could also have been as simple as the private was at a time or place that didn't allow him to have a cell phone with him. I know for a fact that cell phone use and carrying is restricted on base, depending on where you are and what your status is.

layoutshooter · Oct 15, 2010

Turtle said:
Well there ya go. I've never been in the military, so I was just, ahem, shooting in the dark. I still think it was a bad snap decision by a some NCO that had a brain fart. If the videos were to be destroyed for some real reason, good or bad, then most likely a commissioned officer would have made the call and given the order. It could also have been as simple as the private was at a time or place that didn't allow him to have a cell phone with him. I know for a fact that cell phone use and carrying is restricted on base, depending on where you are and what your status is.

There are certain "areas" that cells or cameras are NOT allowed. My son has his with him ALL the time. I would be MORE than willing to bet that the NCO was ORDERED by a commissioned officer to issue that order. NEVER, outside of basic, was I EVER issued an order from a NCO that did NOT come from a commissioned officer first. I did not see that happen even once in the 20 years that I was involved with the military.

Tennesseahawk · Oct 16, 2010

Even so, I would've declined said order on the belief that it wasn't a lawful order. Destroying evidence is an illegal act I wouldn't have been a party to.

FIS53 · Oct 16, 2010

Gee Layout I saw NCOs giving orders without an officer of any type being present or consulted. Now true most of these orders were related to an order given earlier by an officer but not all were directly related. NCOs run the outfits and in doing so must get things done without an officers input (they know what to do).
Rob

layoutshooter · Oct 16, 2010

FIS53 said:
Gee Layout I saw NCOs giving orders without an officer of any type being present or consulted. Now true most of these orders were related to an order given earlier by an officer but not all were directly related. NCOs run the outfits and in doing so must get things done without an officers input (they know what to do).
Rob

Yes, NCO's run the army, they do have a much better idea what is going on. They do not issue orders on their own. They pass on orders from officers. That officer need not be present but all orders start from on high. That order was wrong and should have be ignored. Every U.S. service member has the RIGHT to ignore/disobey illegal/immoral orders. I doubt that NCO did that on his own. No saying that it could not have happened that way, just don't seem likely.

Telling someone to destroy evidence in a MAJOR incedent sounds very fishy to me.

FIS53 · Oct 16, 2010

I agree with your point of destroying evidence. Should not have happened. Yes an order like that should have come from an officer.
Rob

layoutshooter · Oct 16, 2010

FIS53 said:
I agree with your point of destroying evidence. Should not have happened. Yes an order like that should have come from an officer.
Rob

I would be willing to bet that an officer told that NCO to issue that order. Just my feeling.

I was thinking about my time in the army. Other than orders to move from one duty station to another I hardly ever ordered to do anything after basic. The odd room inspection or formation was it. We just went to work, did our job, went home. We just did our job.

greg334 · Oct 16, 2010

I'm with T-hawk, I would have refused to destroy it.

layoutshooter · Oct 16, 2010

greg334 said:
I'm with T-hawk, I would have refused to destroy it.

He should have. Might have just been scared and upset and didn't think about what he was doing. I am more concerned that he was ordered to do it.

AMonger · Oct 16, 2010

FIS53 said:
Gee Layout I saw NCOs giving orders without an officer of any type being present or consulted. Now true most of these orders were related to an order given earlier by an officer but not all were directly related. NCOs run the outfits and in doing so must get things done without an officers input (they know what to do).
Rob

Heck, I had a senior NCO where I was stationed LOCK A NEW 2nd Lieutenant in a small room and hold her there for a good portion of the shift over her yelled demands to be let out. When he finally let her out, he explained to her that he did it to keep her from killing someone. He survived it, too.

When I was in, the vast majority of orders from NCOs didn't involve an officer. No way could we have functioned if we had to wait for things to come down from an officer. In fact, when the thinking was that the cold war might turn hot, it was said the way to defeat the Russkies was to kill the officers. They couldn't function without them. They'd stand around waiting to be told what to do by an officer.