Break up of the USA and civil upheavals

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
What the Russians see ahead for the US with barry and his ideas.... I guess this is the new found respect that the others of the world have for our country and the current admin and his minions....

Personally Ihope the guy is right, I'd love to see it......

Break up of the USA and civil upheavals

By Don Koenig
Break up of the USA and civil upheavals - Pravda.Ru

Possible cause - The United States of America is really 50 sovereign states in a union and that union can dissolve just like the Soviet Union did. This article will give some possibilities how that break up can occur but there certainly could be other scenarios for this to happen.

The major possibility is that after national elections socialist/liberal/progressive forces take control of the executive and legislative branches of government and soon thereafter the Supreme Court. They then would proceed to pass and uphold every sort of socialist legislation such as: hate speech laws, gun laws, immigration laws, socialized medicine, social activism and secular humanism agendas in schools and places of work, outlawing of home schooling, expanding social give-away programs, passing tax laws that burden the middle-class, implementing carbon restrictions and fees, increasing big brother/nanny state police powers and many other laws and regulations that subvert individual freedoms given under the Constitution of the United States for what they will claim to be the greater good of society.

They will increase efforts to redefine the Constitution through activist judges. The courts will also rule that some rights under the Constitution are superseded by international treaties and law.

They will muzzle politically incorrect speech and Christian proselytizing, subvert and brainwash our children with state approved text books and school programs and use national media for political and social propaganda. They will establish unfair tax burdens on the middle class in order to redistribute wealth to the lower class -- specifically to those on welfare programs, poor foreign nations and those people who arrived in this nation illegally. They will irresponsibly expand the money supply to pay increasing budget shortfalls, causing the dollar to lose much of its value. Their socialistic polices will create stagflation or hyper-inflation that will effectively wipe out much of the savings of ten's of millions of people.

At some point in the not too distant future I surmise that a significant segment of the population will rebel against this government and start a secession scenario similar to what I suggest later in this article.

U.S. Vulnerability - Liberals make up the majority populations living in large population states in big cities along both coasts. Those that will oppose this move to communistic fascist-like socialism will be those who make up the majority populations living in the conservative Christian rural heartland of America.

A schism becomes likely between the two worldviews when it becomes obvious to the heartland people that the liberal coastal states will continue to control the American government and that this government will continue to pass and enforce despised amoral laws throughout the United States, regardless of state and local laws. It will especially irk those who believe in biblical moral standards and those who are strict constitutionalists. The heartland people will see national laws and regulations passed and enforced that will ever increase in scope to oppress the rights of freedom loving Bible believing people, corrupt their children, and rob them through unfair federal taxes and irresponsible federal monetary policy.

Some in the heartland of America will not endure these things for long after they realize that the liberal controlled political, educational and media propaganda systems have stacked the deck so that the heartland people will not be able to have a major voice in the policies of this nation through any kind of civil democratic system.

The likelihood that this break up of the union will happen before 2025 A.D.

The likelihood of some kind of breakup of the union is about an eight on a scale of one to ten. The likelihood that the U.S. will fragment into many new nation states, in my opinion, is about fifty-fifty.

The counter-revolution from the heartland may start as a rebirth of the anti federal Government American Patriot Movement and the Libertarians that all but died out after 9/11. The leaders of the movement will address government circumvention of U.S. constitutional rights and it will gain an increasingly large following when muzzled Christian conservatives also identify with their message and some support the movement.

The federal government will obviously oppose these constitutional militias or whatever they decide to call themselves and overreact against them with Homeland Security directed raids that will dwarf Waco. This will only help enlighten more people in the Heartland to the creeping government fascism that is taking control of government and it will spark secession movements in conservative states.

As with prior federal agendas, they will threaten to withhold federal funds and use other coercion techniques against states that will not fully comply with locally unpopular federal laws. That will only alienate state representatives and legislators who will be under much pressure by the local people and cause them to threaten to cut off sending federal taxes to Washington. At some point one northern mountain state will put secession from the union to a emergency state referendum and it will pass. They will declare themselves a free state (like Kosovo) and invite international recognition. Other northern mountain states and some mid-western farming states might soon join with them and create a new union of states.

The federal government will use every means possible to outlaw all this but any federal police-state like actions will only bring violence from both sides and bring international scrutiny. The U.S. government will not be able to use the military to resolve the split because the military will also be totally split on these issues.

Shortly thereafter the Southwest states with large Latino populations will see this as their opportunity for their own nation. Even most of the Anglos living in the Southwest will not oppose the movement because most of them will be totally fed up with the way things are going.


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cheri1122

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That's what jumped out at me too - and anyone who would wish the destruction of the USA, merely for the pleasure of saying 'told you so!' is guilty of treason in their heart.
 

SWTexas1

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If I responded to that in the manner that my gut tells me to, I'd fly right past "warning" and go directly to "permanent ban".

Turtle I know what you mean But, I feel like the hand writing is on the wall. As a Smaller and smaller group tells us what we are going to do there will come a time that there will be a Sudden stop to it by some. Just ask yourself as you listen to the News day in and day out, Who are these people talking about, I dont want that. I dont want money spent on this or giving to that, I dont belive in this or never asked anybody to protect me from that, they just keep on doing what ever they want and tell us some Poll say thats what we wanted. It will all come to and end someday, it might be in as little as 20 years or more, no one knows for sure but History shows us that all great Country, Once they start down the road that we have been on for the last 20+ years fall.
 

chefdennis

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Thats ok, I guess Jefferson was guilty of treason also. By his words:

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny.

The concentrating [of powers] in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government. It will be no alleviation that these powers will be exercised by a plurality of hands, and not by a single one.

No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Iam pretty certain that you can see that he was in frame of mond that sooner or later we the people would need to use force to take backour government.

The 1st time when the people took our country from the english king, over 60% wouldn't fight,but close to 35% did, and that is why we have this republic today...The same thing is going to happen, sooner or later...you can wish it away and i can wish it happened tomorrow, but the chances are it won't happen anytime soon because the same 60% won't foght for their freedoms today, they'd rather sit and condemn those that want to gve our government back to the peopleand take it from those tyrannts in office now....but as i said, those that find fault in the fact that there are people that want to do as our founders said we would need to are the same that just go along to get along...vote as sheeple and are happy with their entitlement programs and the government taking care of them and those the they "feel" need help....

Thesequotes arejust from jefferson, i can pile more from the rest of the founders, but there is no reason to, the point is,to take back our tyrannical government is as jefferson said, "as natural as manure..."

If you can't see the need, i guess you haven'treach the point of that of more and more people each day...one day it may be too late...but as i said, i am sure you will have your way as nothing will change in the near future......
 

Turtle

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Yeah, I agree, eventually someone is gonna say enough is enough, but when that happens there will likely be a cascade, not a fragmented divide. There are already rumblings in State Houses all over the country that could easily push things. There won't be any emergency session because there will be enough people around the country who feel the same way. At that point the people will begin to take back their government, rather than break it up piecemeal.

For someone to be reading Pravda, agree with it and they state publicly that they hope it comes to fruition, and posts it all in public for the express purpose of getting the message out there (which is what he has stated on several occasions as his reasons for posting things here), that's not treason in your heart, that's recruiting, and if by reading this someone's morale is destroyed or depressed to the point where they think there is no way out, that things are hopeless, then that's the first step of "destruction from within", so the posting of his hopes and wishes and means of destruction is nothing more than "adhering to their [the United States] enemies", which is the definition of treason as so defined by the Constitution of the United States of America.


"Iam pretty certain that you can see that he was in frame of mond that sooner or later we the people would need to use force to take backour government. "

Save the CYA patriotic quote mongering. The article foretells the absolute breakup of these United States into separate countries, not the people taking it back. And it's the break up that you hope comes true. Either you're a traitor, or just butt stupid.
 

layoutshooter

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Jane Fonda comitted treason. So did William Ayres. Both Bill AND Hillary Clinton SHOULD be investigated for treasonous activities as should Sandy Berger.

I don't believe that what was said in here rises to the point of treason. I think frustration and disgust might be more accurate. Many feel that way.

I do believe we are headed that way, most likely a civil war. I will be on the Beer and Bar-B-Q side, NOT the "thinkers" side.
 

chefdennis

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Turtle you can think you know what iam thinking all day, but unless you are a mind reader, you won't get it right. i know what i want and that is the removal of the tyrants in our government that we have and have had for long enough. We were given a government for the people by the people and of the people...we have gotten lazy and given our government over to the elite that no longer is of the people. They have stepped all over the states rights aswell as the peoples....we as the people need to get back what we gave away...a representative government that governs by the Constitution, the bill of rights and the Declaration of Independence....i have no desire to destroy our country just as i have no desire to see it be destroyed by the elite in office that don'tgave a crap what the people want....take it back as was stated by the founders and turn it back to the people...

Oh and as for recuiting, hey if anyone reads what i post on this topic and feels the same way or is moved to think along the same lines, more power to them....id hope they would joint the growing number of groups that are forming everyday.....

You might want to read the next post by me on this thread....its pretty interesting but toolong to post in this post...
 

chefdennis

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Here ya go, enjoy...

July 4 version

by Larken Rose

Delivered to a crowd of July 4 celebrants before Philadelphia's Independence Hall

Two hundred and thirty-three years ago, in Philadelphia, a bunch of guys got together and wrote a letter to their king. The letter was very eloquent and well thought out, but it basically boiled down to this:

Dear King George,

You're not the boss of us!

Sincerely,

A Bunch of Troublemakers

That's essentially what the Declaration of Independence was: a bunch of radicals declaring that they would no longer recognize the right of their king to rule them, at all, ever again. They went on to create a new boss, which turned into a new oppressor, but we'll get to that in a moment. First, let's consider the essence of that attitude: "You're not the boss of me!"

This July 4, like every year, millions of Americans are celebrating Independence Day with various parades, picnics, fireworks, and so on. But how many of those people celebrating have ever actually considered what the Declaration was actually about and what the colonists actually did? The colonists did not merely beg the king to change his ways. In fact, the Declaration explains how they had tried that, to no avail. Instead, the colonists were doing something far more drastic.

In short, they committed treason. They broke the law. They disobeyed their government. They were traitors, criminals, and tax cheats. The Boston Tea Party was not merely a tax protest, but open lawlessness. Furthermore, truth be told, some of the colonists were even cop-killers. At Lexington, when King George's "law enforcers" told the colonists to lay down their guns, the colonists responded with, "No, you're not the boss of us!" (Well, that was the meaning, if not the exact verbiage.) And so we had "The Shot Heard 'Round the World," widely regarded as the beginning of the American Revolution.

Looking back now, we know the outcome. We know who eventually won, and we don't mind cheering for the rebels. But make no mistake: when you cheer for the founders of this country, you are cheering for law-breakers and traitors. As well you should. But, for all the flag-waving and celebrating that goes on every July 4, do Americans actually believe in what the colonists did? Do they really believe in the attitude expressed in the Declaration of Independence? Are they really still capable of supporting a mantra of "You're not the boss of me!"?

In, short, no. Imagine the equivalent of what the colonists did so many years ago being done today. Imagine a group of people writing a letter to the United States government, sending a letter to Congress and to the President, saying that they would no longer pay federal taxes, that they would no longer obey federal laws, and that they would resist -- by force, if necessary -- any attempt by federal agents to enforce those laws. How would a group that did such things be viewed today by most Americans?

They would be viewed as nut cases, scofflaws, and terrorists, despicable criminals and malcontents. They would be scorned as the scum of the earth, despised by just about everyone who today celebrates Independence Day.

How ironic.

So why the double standard? Why would the American public today condemn the very same attitudes and behaviors that they glorify and praise in the context of the American Revolution? Quite simply, it's because, for all the proud talk of "land of the free and home of the brave," the spirit of resistance -- the courage to say "You're not the boss of us!" -- has been trained out of the American people.

We have become a nation of wimps.

For years and years in the churches and schools, on the news, in the media, and from everywhere around us, we have been taught one thing above all else: that obedience to authority is the highest virtue, and that disobedience is the worst sin. As a result, even most of those who now claim to be zealous advocates for individual rights and personal liberty will almost always couch their "demands" with disclaimers that, of course, their efforts for justice will be done "within the system," and that they would never advocate anything "illegal." They claim to be devout proponents of freedom, and yet all they ever do is seek a political solution, whether through lobbying of politicians, elections, or other government-approved means.

Of course, government never approves of anything that might actually endanger government power. As the bumper sticker says, "If voting made a difference, it would be illegal." And why should civilized people assume that change must be done "legally" and "within the system"? That is obviously not what the Declaration of Independence was about. In fact, the Declaration states quite plainly that when a government ceases to be a protector of individual liberty, it is not only the right, but the duty of the people to alter or abolish that form of government. In other words, when the government becomes an oppressor, instead of a protector -- as is obviously the case today -- the people are morally obligated to adopt an attitude of, "You're not the boss of us!"

So how many Americans are doing that? Almost none. Instead, even the most vocal critics of corruption and injustice usually do little more than bang their heads against a brick wall, begging, in half a dozen different ways, for the tyrants to please be nicer to us. Meanwhile, they go to great lengths to distance themselves from people like me, for fear of what the general public might think of them. As a result, I believe the general public and those in government view them pretty much as I view them: as harmless and irrelevant conformists, destined to forever beg for freedom and never achieve it.

Make no mistake, begging and whining is not what the Declaration of Independence was about. It was about breaking the law when the law is unjust. It was about committing treason when the rulers became oppressive. It was about disobedience -- civil disobedience when effective, and not-so-civil disobedience when necessary. It was about open resistance, including violent resistance when called for.

So where is that attitude today? Where is the candidate advocating such a thing? Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams -- where are the modern equivalents? For all the whining about extremists, where are those willing to openly resist injustice? Not only don't most Americans believe in resisting tyranny, they feel extremely uncomfortable just hearing others talk about it, even in abstract terms -- like this.

Maybe it's just that we're not quite at the level of oppression to justify resistance. Is that it? Hardly. If two or three percent taxation justified rebellion in 1776, why doesn't 50 percent taxation justify it now? If a few puny excise taxes on tea and pieces of paper justified it then, why don't the myriad of unavoidable, crushing taxes at all levels, and the hordes of callous, vindictive tax collectors justify it now? If the relatively unusual cases of Redcoats abusing colonists justified it then, why doesn't it justify it when American police see no problem with randomly stopping, detaining, interrogating, and searching anyone they want, whenever they want, for any reason or no reason at all?

Does anyone think Thomas Jefferson, if he were alive today, would quietly allow himself to be strip-searched, and allow his belongings to be rummaged through, by some brain-dead TSA thug? Read the Fourth Amendment. They had a revolution over that sort of thing.

Does anyone think that Patrick Henry would take kindly to being robbed blind to pay for whatever war-mongering the politicians wanted to engage in this week? Read what the Founders said about standing armies. They had a revolution over that sort of thing.

Do you think James Madison would go along with being disarmed by the various state and federal control freaks? Read the Second Amendment. They had a revolution over that sort of thing.

Do you think George Washington would be happy to have both his earnings and savings constantly looted by a parasite class, to pay for all manner of wealth redistribution, political handouts, and other socialist garbage? Do you think Thomas Paine would gladly be extorted to give all his money to some giant, failed corporation or some huge international bank? Do you think the founders would have quietly gone along with what this country has become today? Do you think they would have done nothing more than vote or whine?

Well, the founders are dead. And, unfortunately, so is their spirit of resistance. In short, just about all of the flag-waving and celebrating that happens every July 4 is nothing but empty hypocrisy. How many Americans today can say, loudly and proudly, like they mean it, "Give me liberty or give me death!"? Or, at least, in the modern vernacular, "You're not the boss of me!"?

Anyone?

In this nation that imagines itself to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, where are those who dare to resist or even dare to talk about it? And I don't mean voting, or whining to your congressman, or begging your masters to not whip you so hard. I'm talking about resisting, refusing to obey.

America, where is your Independence Day pride now? Exactly what are you proud of?

I have a message for you, from a guy named Sam -- Samuel Adams, that is. Yeah, the beer guy. But he did a little more for this country than make beer. Here is his message:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

When's the last time you heard a modern so-called "statesman" say something like that?

So what happened? When did Americans lose their ability to say, "You're not the boss of me," and why? Yes, most people are scared, and for good reason. With the capacity for violence of the current police state, and the willingness of the politicians and their thugs to crush anyone who threatens their power, everyone has to choose his battles carefully and decide for himself what he's willing to risk, what is worth fighting for and what isn't.

That makes sense, but there is more to it than just fear. Because not only won't most Americans resist, but they will condemn anyone who does. If you do what the founders did, most people in this country would call you a tax cheat, a malcontent, a criminal, a traitor, even a terrorist. Why? Why do Americans now vehemently condemn those who say and do exactly what the Founders did a couple hundred years ago? When did our priorities and view of the world change so drastically, and why?

I'll tell you why. Gradually, and very systematically, we have been trained to measure our own worth, not by what we produce, not by how we treat other people, but by how well we obey authority. Consider the term "law-abiding taxpayer." How many people wear that label as a badge of honor? "I am a law-abiding taxpayer!" When they say that, they mean "I'm a good person." But is that what it really means?

Well, "law-abiding" just means that you do whatever the politicians tell you to do. We speak with great reverence of this thing called "the law," as if it is the decree of the gods, which no decent human being would dare to disobey. But what is it really? It's whatever the politicians decide to command you to do. Why on earth would anyone think that obedience to a bunch of liars and crooks is some profound moral obligation? Is there any reason for us to treat with reverence such commands and demands? No rational reason, no. The only reason we do it is because we have been trained to do it.

Some might point out that obeying the laws against theft and murder is a good thing to do. Well, yes and no. It is good to refrain from committing theft and murder, but it is not because "the law" says so. It is because theft and murder are inherently wrong, as they infringe upon the rights of others. And that was true before any politician passed a "law" about it, and will be true even if they "legalize" theft and murder (as every government has done, in the name of "taxation" and "war"). What is right and wrong does not at all depend upon what is "legal" or "illegal." And if you need politicians to tell you what is right and what is wrong, you need your head examined. Instead, you should judge the validity of so-called "laws" by whether they match what is inherently right and wrong. Thomas Jefferson put it this way:

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because the law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

So why should anyone be proud of being "law-abiding," when all it means is blindly obeying whatever arbitrary commands the parasite class spews out this week? And pride in being a "taxpayer" is no better, since all that phrase means is that you give the politicians lots of money. When, exactly, did obeying politicians and giving them money become the measure of whether you're a good person?

Consider Nazi Germany. Were the law-abiding taxpayers in Nazi Germany the good guys? No. By obeying the so-called "laws" of that time, the majority allowed, or even assisted in, a nearly incomprehensible level of evil. And by being "taxpayers," they provided the funding for it. No, the good people in Germany were the criminals and tax cheats, who refused to assist, even passively, in the oppressions done in the name of "government."

The same is true under the regimes of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro -- you can go right down the list (and it's a very long list). Under every nasty regime in history, the obedient subjects who quietly did as they were told, the law-abiding taxpayers, were not the good guys. The law-breakers and rebels, the so-called traitors and terrorists, those were the good guys. How about in this country, when slavery was legal? The cowards were the ones obeying the law, while the good guys broke it.

How about here, today? Is it good to fund what the government is doing? Do you have some moral obligation to give your "fair share" of however many thousands of dollars, so Obama can give it to his banker buddies? Is it noble to fund whatever war the politicians decide to engage in this week? Do you like paying for the detention and torture of people who haven't been convicted, or even charged with any crime? (By the way, instead of doing away with that, Obama just gave it a new name: preventative detention.) Is it some great virtue to have helped to finance the police state growing up all around you, on both the federal and state levels? In short, is being a "law-abiding taxpayer" really something you should be proud of, or is it something you should be ashamed of?

Over time we have forgotten a very important secret -- a secret the control freaks don't want you to know -- a secret some of the Founders hinted at, though even most of them didn't seem to fully grasp it. Ready for it?

You own yourself.

You are not the property of the politicians, or anyone else. I own me, and you own you. Each of you owns himself. Sounds simple enough, right? And most people respond with, "Well duh, of course. That's no secret. We knew that." But in reality most people don't know that.

If you own yourself, would anyone have the right to take, without your consent, the fruits of your labor -- what you earn, with your time and effort? Does anyone have the right to take that from you by force? Of course not, most will answer.

Really? And what if they call it "taxation"?

"Oh, well, that's different."

No, it isn't.

If you own yourself, would anyone have the right to force you to pay rent for a house you already paid for, under threat of taking your house away? Of course not.

What if they call it "property taxes"?

"Oh, that's different."

No, it isn't.

And you can go right down the list: if you truly own yourself, the vast majority of so-called "laws," at all levels, are absolutely illegitimate. As Jefferson put it, any so-called "law" that infringes upon individual liberty -- which is dang near all of them -- is inherently bogus.

But let's take it one step further. If you own yourself -- your life, liberty, and property -- doesn't that imply that you have the right to defend those things from any and all aggressors? Yes. What if the aggressors call themselves "government" and call their attacks and robberies "law" and "taxes"? You still have the right. Changing the name of an act cannot make something bad into something good. And if you have the right to defend your life, liberty, and property from all aggressors, it stands to reason that you have the right to equip yourself to do so. In other words, you have the right to be armed -- the right to possess the equipment to exert whatever force is necessary to repel any attempts to infringe upon your rights to life, liberty, and property.

I know it makes people uncomfortable (especially people who work for the government) when I say the following: I want every sane, adult American to have the ability to use force, including deadly force, against government agents. I don't want people randomly gunning down cops, but I do want the people to retain the ability to forcibly resist their own government. The very concept bothers a lot of people, but what is the alternative? The alternative is something a lot scarier: that the people should not have the means to resist their own government.

But, once again, even most people who claim to be vehemently pro-freedom, don't like to talk about what that really means. Many "gun rights" organizations, for example, go to great lengths to beg the politicians to let them remain armed. Why? At Lexington, when the British troops told the colonists to lay down their weapons, what was the response? Did the colonists say, "Aw, can't we keep them, pretty please?" No, they had a very different attitude, something along the lines of, "You're not the boss of us!"

If you own yourself -- and this is a big one -- it is not only your right but your most profound obligation as a human being to judge for yourself what is right and wrong and to act accordingly. But what if people claiming to be "authority" want to force you to do something contrary to what you deem to be right? Do you have an obligation to obey them and ignore your own conscience? No. What if their threats are called "legislation"? It makes no difference.

You are always, at all times, in every situation, obligated to do what you deem right, no matter what so-called "government" and "authority" and "law" have to say about it. And when the tyrants and control freaks, authoritarian thugs and megalomaniacs, try to tell you that you are an evil, nasty, despicable criminal and traitor for daring to think for yourself, you have a right and duty to stand firm and say with confidence, "You are not the boss of me!"
 

Turtle

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Turtle you can think you know what iam thinking all day, but unless you are a mind reader, you won't get it right.
I don't have to read your mind, all I have to do is read what you wrote. You posted an article that predicted the breakup and demise of the United States, and a very bloody one at that, and then you stated, "Personally Ihope the guy is right, I'd love to see it......"

You've also stated many times in the past that you hope Obama fails, even after having it pointed out that if Obama fails so does the country, yet you continue to state that you hope Obama fails.

There is no reading of the mind necessary, only the reading of the article you posted and what you have typed.

i know what i want and that is the removal of the tyrants in our government that we have and have had for long enough.
But that's not what the article predicts, and you hoped that the article's author was correct.

So, either (a) you didn't read the article, or (b) you read it but didn't comprehend it, or (c) you don't know the difference between the people taking their government back and the breakup of the Union, or (d) you're a traitor who is now backpeddling like crazy to CYA. Or, (e) you're just butt stupid.

You can copy and paste every single word every Founding Father has ever written, but it won't change one wit what you posted and what you said. I've now given you a better "out" with 5 choices. I highly recommend you take one of them and be done with it, otherwise you're strongly reinforcing the two original choices.


Oh and as for recuiting, hey if anyone reads what i post on this topic and feels the same way or is moved to think along the same lines, more power to them....id hope they would joint the growing number of groups that are forming everyday.....
Kinda proves my point, doesn't it?

You might want to read the next post by me on this thread....its pretty interesting but toolong to post in this post...
Then again I might not. I can't think of a single thing you can copy-n-paste that will allow you to crawl out from under the ton of bricks you just laid upon yourself. The Pravda article doesn't predict or advocate the taking back of the government, it advocated it's complete destruction, reassembled into a new fragmented unions of various states that form new countries. And you hope that happens.
 

chefdennis

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having 50 seperate and soverign states is an attractive thing, but it won't woork, we still need the power of the group in alot of ways...but to even get there we need the Civil upheaval that he states and more then a fe feel is coming and more then a few want including me that is where the author is right on...

our founders set this country up for the states to have the power over the fed government,not the other way around and that is what we have let happen, to reverse that the people need to take back that power from the fed,that is what i and the author talk mean when he spoke of civil upheaval, for me it is a civil war,one that will happen for me the sooner the better, but has i said, it won't be....not in the foreseeable future...too many sheeple and those that say it can't happen....

So yea when i say the guy is right , take a lookat the growing number of states pulling away, montana,wyoming, texas to name a few....right now a few are just posturing,but more and more will be making it clear they are taking states rights back, several have passed laws to tell the fed no th their fed healthcare.....montana setupgun laws that has the fed out of luck...more and more will start to step up...so while you won't see 50 seperate states,you will see states exercising the rights that they in the past let loose....the people are fed up..its coming...there will be a civil war, the people against the fed, and as was said, it will be the BBQ and beer crowd,those doing the word search and saying it can't and to even speak of it is treason

And as i and several others here have pointed out, for barry to fail, does not meam the country fails, just his ideals and ideas and policies...i mean for a few here bush was a complete failure...the country is still here and it will be when barry fails too....
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
You've also stated many times in the past that you hope Obama fails, even after having it pointed out that if Obama fails so does the country.

That isn't true. Obama can fail miserably, and I wish he would, and the country do fine. If he fails to get the votes needed to push through all his fool's errands that is a win for the nation and a failure for him. Everyone right thinking should be praying for Obama to fail.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Here's one citizen who fervently hopes Obama's economic and social policies fail. More than that, I really, really hope he doesn't get re-elected. Obama's coming attempts at social engineering will be drastic. No, Obama's success and mine are not related, except to say they are inversely related.

The two major political parties are so polarized as to make reconciliation unlikely. The GOP is hopelessly in disarray. I, like many others, am tired of being jilted by the GOP.

Give me a truly conservative party and I will go there. Give Obama eight years in office, with a Democrat Congress, and America will be permanently FUBAR.

Don't for a minute think Obama's personal success and America's success are one and the same. The farther our nation moves away from the vision of the Founding Fathers, the closer we get to political implosion. We are approaching an era of soft tyranny. At some point, it becomes hard tyranny.
 

DougTravels

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A few people here really need to get a grip. There is no tyranny, just some idealistic plans. If they work it is a good thing, if they don't then you can say "told ya so all day long". To hope they fail is just wrong.

Healthcare for all, even the poorest of Americans, The working poor not losing what little they have because they fell ill, or worse yet to die and leave your children orphaned, because you could not afford a procedure or check-up. If that can be accomplished it will be a good thing. Why would anyone hope that fails? It seems cruel, and Un-American to me.

The carbon tax- I know fox and Rush and the like are preeching alot of doom and gloom. The idea is to keep this planet able to support human life for the next generations. Will it work? No one knows yet. Will it cost us all thousands each like Fox and Rush say? No one knows that either. For the sake of the human race I hope it works without drastically affecting our individual budgets, you guys can hope it don't.

You guys still deny Global Warming too, I bet.

Gun Control- haven't seen any yet.

You folks really sound like a bunch of spoiled brats to me who did not get their way and now just whine and ball. Since you are all acting liKe spoiled little children maybe you need Momma to correct you by saying "WHO LET W OUT AND MADE THIS MESS" "We let him out momma, but Frank and Clinton and Carter and Obama made the mess" Just go to your rooms you all need a good slap. (This last paragraph does not apply to all of you, but you know who you are)

Then again you were probably crying with a great economy and reducing the debt under Clintons watch too.



You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Doug... if you bother to look at what I actually wrote, I said we are "approaching an era of soft tyranny." Not quite there, yet. We are trending in that direction... government tells us what to do just about every waking moment of our lives. Even at that, government wants more control. Always seeking more control over peoples' lives. When is enough, enough?
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
Doug... if you bother to look at what I actually wrote, I said we are "approaching an era of soft tyranny." Not quite there, yet. We are trending in that direction... government tells us what to do just about every waking moment of our lives. Even at that, government wants more control. Always seeking more control over peoples' lives. When is enough, enough?

Gov't tells us what to do just about every waking moment????

What control are you referring to?

What rights have been taken from you?



You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
You guys still deny Global Warming too, I bet.

And you probably deny it is a natural thing that has been around as long as the earth has been here. It cools then warms and cools and warms again on and on, always has always will.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I know I'm a conspiracy theorists of sorts, but I think the government is trying and succeding in getting us to argue amongst ourselves so we aren't fully paying attention to what they are doing. Now we are to busy pointing fingers and talking about left and right and big brother is tightening the noose around our kneck all while lining their pockets with our money. We need to put our differences aside, take our country back, get it back on track, and then we can fuss a little from time to time.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Ark,

You're gettin' it ..... keep spreadin' the word:

We ain't the enemy, they is the enemy ....
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
chef,

An absolutely outstanding piece by Larken Rose - thanks much for posting it.
 
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