Why Assange deserves a medal

Turtle

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I don't think Assange is a coward. He's a weasel, but not a coward. Calling him a coward because he won't come out from behind that tree so you can get a good shot at him is like calling a deer a coward for hiding in the woods over Thanksgiving weekend. Not coming out from behind the tree is smart. He'd be butt stoopid to come out in the open.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
I don't think Assange is a coward. He's a weasel, but not a coward. Calling him a coward because he won't come out from behind that tree so you can get a good shot at him is like calling a deer a coward for hiding in the woods over Thanksgiving weekend. Not coming out from behind the tree is smart. He'd be butt stoopid to come out in the open.
Kudos on a relatively fair and, I think, honest, assessment .... (although you and I might disagree on the "weasel" part :D)

If one were to extrapolate the sheer idiocy contained the premise that because he's keeping his head down and not offering himself up as a easy target, he is therefore a coward, one would have to extrapolate that assessment to the conduct of the US military, in some instances, as well.

Obviously, the US military is not composed of cowards .... although it may well harbor a few here and there ....
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Well .... greg ... since you really don't know me ..... please don't make any assumptions about what I might or might have the nerve to do ....

Yes Greg. There's only one qualified to make assumptions about people he doesn't know. How silly of you to think yourself remotely as omniscient as the all knowing one. :rolleyes:
 

greg334

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I think that possibly one of the worst forms of cowardice that there is, is to compromise and sacrifice one's beliefs - stuff like belief in the rule of law, the belief in the right to trial by jury of ones peers, presumption of innocence ...... all in the name of (supposed) security ....



Yep that is true but DO NOT mistake my form of hypocrisy as a compromise of my principles as you make it out as or equate that to the press's or the government's or people who mistake a need to expose those for what they are out of hatred and contempt.



If you really really want to talk about compromise and sacrifices of beliefs, examine the world press and how they are always compromising the truth for money and power.



NO WHERE in the world do they operate freely except here and here is where they target most of their effort. I can't figure out why any one organization could rip apart the very freedom that they operate under but surmise that they have a real deep seated purpose to gain more power and more control over those who are equal to them under our laws and constitution – the citizens.



TO lie, steal and than demand to be above the law and the citizens who grant them permission to exist in the form they do while ignoring their purpose which is to provide a protection or balance in our country … isn't that single form of hypocrisy the worst form of cowardice in existence?



Already you missed the point, or may you got it but don't want to respond because I am right when in my post in that other thread I said;



We do not have a ****ing free press anywhere in the world.



EVERY media outlet in the entire world except here operates under the permission of the state - not one of them is afforded any protection like a First Amendment and most fall under human rights laws that have been created to give permission, not limit government.



But alas ... we surely wish we had a free press here.



There is not one freedom, repeat one freedom that is allowing any of the press to operate without the responsibility and the accountability of those who call themselves Journalist.



THIS IMPORTANT POINT IS FORGOTTEN by all.



IF responsibility and accountability was the concern, then media organizations like the New York Times, Time and other US based companies would not have an open political driven agenda and would actually report the news without their political point of view or filter it to fit some style book that was written to fit their agenda.



The only way it would work, IF your statement is anywhere near the truth there would be with a clear and open agenda throughout the media to tell the truth all the time uninhibited by money, power or both.



That red lettered section is a very serious comment, one that has been proven time and time – we need a neutral press willing to also sacrifice the power and money they gain in order to be true to the First Amendment.



WE do not need one that selects what is published and for what purpose the publish news by spinning it to make us think one way or another.



Isn't what the citizens demand as the truth not any compromise on the belief behind the First Amendment?



The bigger issue is about the unethical behavior, immoral criminals in the government that you so rightly pointed out in this information from Assange. BUT isn't the press as guilty as any government for the same type of immoral or unethical behavior including participating in the same crimes that Assange is accusing our country of doing?



Clearly, there are many who have no such qualms, perhaps you among them ....



Think again.



If I am, then you are infatuated with and worship the state ..... (something that has become abundantly clear to not only myself, but others on here as well)

Personally, I'll take Assange any day ..... I think it's way better odds .....



Better odds of what?



Operating under a given right?



Try living under that rule of law?



I don't worship the state as you put it, I do not trust my government at any level and I have good reason for that. Maybe those reasons are beyond your thinking but they are valid, documented and the outcome has been what I have been living with 10 years.



I know from experience that the outcome of this type of disclosure which has a reaction that is nothing short of providing a means to survive. I know that changes don't come from big whistle blowing but small stuff, and pretty much mundane, repeated stuff – be it a corporate issue or a government issue that is wrong.



Either way, the coward's way is not the right way.

LOL .... well .... apparently so have alot of others.



Yeah and a lot of people think Charles Manson is a good guy too.


You define cowardice as squarely placing oneself, and one's mortal life, directly in the crosshairs of many (if not most) of the nations of the world ?

How odd .... :confused:

You sure have some funny ideas (but then we already knew that, didn't we ? ;))



Well I can call him a coward for a lot of reasons, reasons that you may not understand or believe. Isn't he hiding?



It is easy to be a hero when people redefine it to cover a person, it is easy to setup a website and say to the world here is some information that matters to you, but it is not easy to go into that burning building or fight for what is right while taking abuse – both are actually putting everything on the line for others.



This is just like the idea that a citizen does not have to carry the burden of guilt of its government's actions because they didn't know. Just because you can claim you had no idea, does not excuse you to have that same burden as every one else who are citizens has.



Assange's fight is not being waged with information that he had first hand or understood for that matter, his fight lacks any valid reason outside of his direct hatred for this country and our freedoms. He publishes information that he has no right to nor understands or sees the danger in publishing. He doesn't deserve what others are giving him by twisting the truth and making him out as someone he isn't, his decision to play games with big stakes means little to anyone other than knowing that my country can be damaged and those freedoms that he and his supporters claim to be in danger don't exist anywhere else like here and it is they who are endangering them.



See one thing that many miss is that anonymous whistleblowers are idiots. Their credibility is sh*t because they refuse to stand by their disclosure. They take a safe way of reporting a problem or an issue but without coming forward, it means little.


Well .... greg ... since you really don't know me ..... please don't make any assumptions about what I might or might have the nerve to do ....



I completely understand and may not used the right words but your rhetoric says a lot about who you are as mine says a lot about me.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Now here's an interesting proposition from an article in the Washington Times (that's probably being discussed by more than one country right now), which addresses the harsh realities and consequences of Assange's actions:

"...Officials in autocratic and Islamist states often risk their lives to cooperate with Washington, usually by providing vital information or advice. They now face a further disincentive to help us: The U.S. government can no longer guarantee the privacy and secrecy of their discussions.
...Mr. Assange is not a journalist or publisher; rather, he is an enemy combatant - and should be treated as such."

KUHNER: Assassinate Assange - Washington Times
How about, "They now face a further disincentive...: They now know that Washington seeks to betray even those they call their friends, because the US government are the ones violating their privacy for their own ulterior motives."

Assange didn't create that, he just exposed it.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I don't think Assange is a coward. He's a weasel, but not a coward. Calling him a coward because he won't come out from behind that tree so you can get a good shot at him is like calling a deer a coward for hiding in the woods over Thanksgiving weekend. Not coming out from behind the tree is smart. He'd be butt stoopid to come out in the open.

Don't put down weasels by comparing them to this "slime devil". Weasels have a valid purpose in nature. Assange does not. He is just wasting oxygen and adding to the C02 level. He is lower on the life form ladder than sewer scum. Other than that he just sucks.
 

greg334

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I call him a coward for the sole reason that he has threaten everyone with release of more info if something happens to him. This is just a typical behavior as you say of a hacker - how dare they do that to me, I will show them.

Weasel is another way I can put it but with the threat, it puts him a different light in my eyes.
 

layoutshooter

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I call him a coward for the sole reason that he has threaten everyone with release of more info if something happens to him. This is just a typical behavior as you say of a hacker - how dare they do that to me, I will show them.

Weasel is another way I can put it but with the threat, it puts him a different light in my eyes.

A MAN of character would NOT hide. He would NOT fear for his life IF he believed what he was doing was right. A MAN of character and principle would GLADLY risk HIS life to do what HE BELIEVED was RIGHT. A coward on the other hand hides. Does NOT have the guts to face those he accuses or attacks. He FEARS for his life. A coward is NOT a MAN.
 
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