Well Worth The Money!

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
My initial thoughts were that if you were having difficulty paying for advertising you must not be very well funded. I was annoyed by seeing constant plugs for your company on the open forum. And was amazed that you had signed on according to your posts five trucks. Not only in the fact that people would go with someone without knowing of you at all, but that you seemed to be on a tight budget. If you were/are unable to pay the carriers that you did business with how in the world did you intend to pay the drivers.

Also because of being marginally funded, did you pay for the credit rating book so that you could for-see of the lack of payment?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
For the new folks
This is why you don't attempt this when you have very limited experience and are severely undercapitalized.
I do feel for any potential drivers as they got totally shafted if they signed on.
Word of advice. Don't sign on with a company that doesn't have years of a track record in this business.
In this case, McClain has no business advertising for drivers right now.
Especially here on EO. This outfit you pretended to merge with is a full load/LTL tractor trailer carrier. They do very little with regards to expedited freight.
 
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Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
Good word, DaveKC,

I don't necessarily think a person needs to have years in his company, but he does need to have years of experience in his field, previous to his own endeavor. More experience than say, a failed brokerage and getting fired by a fleet owner and holding their truck hostage until they reported it stolen......:eek:
 

dean07

Seasoned Expediter
well i read this whole thread, i got 1 thing to say to you greg, good luck, hope all goes well for you!!!
 
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mcclain

Guest
Ok, let me see if EO will allow me one FINAL POST as I am done wasting my time on this issue.

As I tried to explain in a post that was pulled, it did not become a merger, as many said, I had little to offer the company other than sales and management experience.

Thus, I have opted to become an agent, where I hire owner-operators, load thier trucks etc.

ALL THE PAYROLL OF THE OWNER-OPERATOS AND ALL THE BILLING AND COLLECTING TO THE SHIPPERS IS HANDLED BY THE COMPANY ITSELF. I HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PAY OR COLLECTIONS.

Now for all of you who seem to think you need this vast amount of experience to make it in this business I will SOMEWHAT disagree. While it would be hugely beneficial I do believe you can make it if you listen, study and learn under the wings of a mentor.

What I would say, as many here have said, is that if you don't have a large sum of money or access to loans etc - you will find making it very tough, let alone when someone stiffs you, as I learned the hard way.

That is why now - I will learn, under the wing of another company, without the financial risk, with them paying ALL THE BILLS AND PAYROLL.

Now, for all you, who have came on hear accusing me of being dishonest, a thief, a crook, etc etc - YOU DONT KNOW JACK

There have been some bad - very bad decisions on MY PART, to get into this business with little or no money or financial backing or like some, I didn't have mommie's money.

But, bad decisions, even repeated serveral times, even failing in business - DOES NOT MAKE YOU DISHONEST, A THIEF OR A CROOK.

What is makes you is hard headed, somewhat ignorant at times, but it does not make you a bad person, like you are trying to portray me.

As far as the carriers I owe money to. Some will get paid by what is on the bond. Others will have to settle with me directly or if we can not reach an agreement, let the courts do it for us.

But - everyone will get paid.

That is one of many reasons, I have opted to become an independent agent. To learn, to gain this experience you all speak of, to learn this business inside and out, without risk financial risk to myself and to insure the financial safety to the owner-operators signing on.

Now, I have tried to address this issue, to the best of my ability, and by EO actually allowing me this time. Hopefull, for everyone this post will stay on the thread or everything else is pointless. But, if this does not satisfy the questions, and those of you who have convicted me of being an immoral person, uneithical person, a crook etc - that is now your problem and you can continue to be the judge of the human race.

And yes, I do have pending action against the shippers and a borker.
 
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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Just calling it like I see it.
You said "everyone would get paid"
I am sure that is comforting to the guy that is making a truck payment.
Secondly, what about all the people prior to Friday? This company isn't paying for something that happened a month ago.
They are handling your stuff now supposedly.....but it sounds like everyone ((if there was anyone), got burned prior to that.

Just remember, you were the one that came on here with this grand merger scheme, when in fact the story was much different than originally portrayed.
Dishonest, misleading, omission of facts, or.....well never mind.
I'm not really sure what I would call this mess.
But good luck with your new adventure.
Hopefully you learned something of value from your experiences.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
There have been some bad - very bad decisions on MY PART, to get into this business with little or no money or financial backing or like some, I didn't have mommie's money.

But, bad decisions, even repeated serveral times, even failing in business - DOES NOT MAKE YOU DISHONEST, A THIEF OR A CROOK....

That is one of many reasons, I have opted to become an independent agent. To learn, to gain this experience you all speak of, to learn this business inside and out, without risk financial risk to myself and to insure the financial safety to the owner-operators signing on.

Now, I have tried to address this issue, to the best of my ability, and by EO actually allowing me this time. Hopefull, for everyone this post will stay on the thread or everything else is pointless. But, if this does not satisfy the questions, and those of you who have convicted me of being an immoral person, uneithical person, a crook etc - that is now your problem and you can continue to be the judge of the human race.

And yes, I do have pending action against the shippers and a borker.

No, bad decisions does not make you a bad person, in and of itself. However, it does make you a BAD BUSINESSMAN. And if you are willing to subject O/Os to that track record, without LEARNING the industry, and KNOWING how not to make those mistakes, I would call THAT unethical.

Personally, it appears to be a "rob Peter to pay Paul" kind of deal. But only you knows what is going on inside that impatient soul of yours. I say impatient because you are no longer out of one idea or venture, than you are thinking up your next, before learning from your last.

You obviously have some brains, as most would not would venture into areas you have. But it's obvious to most here that you don't have the wherewithal to complete what you start; or put it to bed the proper way.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I don't know, something is still missing from all of this.

I want to know when did a merger mean employment?

Is it something like the newly defined patriotism where it makes people feel good for being... well dumb?
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
I don't think there is any shame in failing in a business, after all some very large companys' have failed. It's more important how you handled it and what caused the failure. And of course what you do after that.

Be upfront from the start, and possibly you will get more advice than you will from trying to hide very important details from potential business partners (O/O's)
 

csands007

Seasoned Expediter
The old saying burn me once shame on him burn me twice shame on me. I try only not to get burned but if once do not go back for second
CSANDS007,

I'm certainly not trying to rain on your parade, but if you're going to do business with him, you really need to do a background check first.
 
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mcclain

Guest
Well, it seems like no matter what I say or do, no matter how I work to pay these people, I can not change the past.

But, no matter, if I get on here, like my last post and admit mistake after mistake and am now willing to enroll in THE EXPERTS COLLEGE OF TRUCK OWNERS, you critics seem to not be willing to lay off the attacks of my moral and ethical values, continue to accuse me of ripping people off, being a liar and a crook!

Well, if you ever come to Fort Wayne - call me. Meet me, talk directly to me, face to face, and then maybe you can judge my honesty, rather than hiding behind a computer and judging me from only internet chatter and my own admitted mistakes.

Has Panther, Tri-State, Bolt and the others ever had the balls to come on here and admit they lied to a driver and owner-operator?
(aka - yes we will pay you for dead head and detention if you take this load, then they don't)

Has any of those carriers ever 'held' an owner-operators escrow till they got their equipment back?
(aka- bring us the Qualcom system, decals etc and you can have your escrow money.)

The difference here is that I have not made it big here, I have failed in my self-employment of being a broker, while using my own money, getting ripped of myself by shippers.

The other carriers however, have made it, they will lie, hold monies, not pay operators what they say - but somehow they continue to prosper.

YET NO ONE QUESTIONS THEIR MORAL AND BUSINESS ETHICS!
HELL AND WHEN SOMEONE DOES IT GETS PULLED OF THE SITE!

So, the next time you want to rip me a new hole - come meet me first and then judge me like you are Jesus Christ, don't do it without knowing me and meeting me.

Even a GD child molester gets to face a jury of his own peers IN PERSON!

Ok - now that is it for me!

Please continue - I am 100% through discussing this issue and defending myself to you people who truely do not know me from the truck two rows away from you.

You talk about I should be honest, upfront and decent. You should practice that yourself. And how can you honestly judge me and make a decent decision if you are unwilling to give me the same chance a GD child molester is given?

I will close by saying, I don't want to come off bitter, I am just ****ed. ****ed that I am working to pay these carriers, working to get my money from the shippers, opted to play it safe and learn by getting out of the business on my own and learn from being an agent for a company.

****ed that even a GD child molester can be found innocent because their is some reasonable doubt in regards to the situation.

GOOD BYE!
DEFENSE HAS NO FURTHER COMMENTS - NO MORE POST!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Anybody else love good irony?

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jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Famous sayings that could apply at some points in this thread.

1. "And now the rest of the story."

Anybody want to take a stab at #2
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Meet me, talk directly to me, face to face, and then maybe you can judge my honesty, rather than hiding behind a computer and judging me from only internet chatter and my own admitted mistakes.

You are what you put yourself out there to be. Sure, the admitted mistakes are one thing, but even here with this lame attempt at trying to dress people down for judging your character, you plainly spell out "admitted mistakes" which gets you the sympathy you so desperately need, but then you casually cloak your blatant lies, misrepresentations, omissions of fact as merely "Internet chatter." It's not Internet chatter at all, it's bald faced lies, and you know it.

So, we'll all hide behind out computer, same as you, and judge you based on your own admitted mistakes, as well as the lies you got caught telling. No one has to meet you face to face to judge your character, as you are the one who put your character on display for the world to see. There is no reason to believe that you are a liar online but in person you are honest. Honest people don't hide behind a computer as a lier. The opposite is certainly true, however.

And how can you honestly judge me and make a decent decision if you are unwilling to give me the same chance a GD child molester is given?
A child molester isn't judged by his peers, face to face, if he has confessed to his crimes. No trial, or judgment, necessary. He has admitted his guilt and will pay the price. Same as you.

****ed that even a GD child molester can be found innocent because their is some reasonable doubt in regards to the situation.
Yes, but in your case there is no reasonable doubt. None. You lied, got caught, and confessed.

Now, take your beating like a man.

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csands007

Seasoned Expediter
Can't believe this site bashed so much, for those who hasn't walked in his steps shouldn't be so critical. Look at lots of people failed before they finally succeeded. What we should do is wish him luck in this venture. But maybe you all know more than me.
 
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Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
CSandS,

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with your last comment, but I am certainly not trying to bash someone who is simply out to better themselves with a new venture. Frequently, there are posts concerning a certain small carrier in the Chicago area that are asked. Several times there have been former owner-ops that surfaced with the response to "BEWARE"! All of them have stated that they were stiffed for their last check when they quit. There was always some silly excuse given as to why the check was held. These owner ops now state that they wished they had found this site sooner, so they could have researched this issue before they signed on. It might've saved them a lot of grief. Right now, there are some carriers that have already gotten stiffed for thousands of dollars in this matter of McClain Logistics, LLC. I'm not talking big corporations like Fedex. I'm talking 1 to 5 trucks companies, guys like you and I who became a carrier because they too wanted to better themselves. I'm not saying that it van't happen to any of the rest of us, it's just that at this point,the track record is not looking too good.

If you had signed a contract and later lost money, having seen the ad on here, would you not be angry that no one blew the whistle on this company?
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Can't believe this site bashed so much, for those who hasn't walked in his steps shouldn't be so critical. Look at lots of people failed before they finally succeeded. What we should do is wish him luck in this venture. But maybe you all know more than me.

Nobody is bashing anyone because they tried and failed. That can, and has, happened to all of us at one time or another. McClain is being bashed for gross misrepresentation and borderline, in not actual, fraud, both of himself and of his company. No amount of shoe-walking can mitigate that.
 
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