US car sales confirm auto industry recovery

EnglishLady

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BBC News Jan 5

US carmakers have reported strong sales for December, confirming the auto industry's steady recovery during 2010.

Chrysler said sales for the month rose by 16% against a year earlier, while General Motors posted sales growth of 7.5%. Ford said sales rose by 7%.

Japan's Nissan fared even better, reporting US sales growth of 28%.

Most major carmakers reporting sales figures on Tuesday also posted strong rises in sales for the full year 2010 compared with the previous year.

Ford reported a jump of 19%, Chrysler an increase of 16%, while GM posted a rise of 6%.

The figures confirm a remarkable turnaround for the so-called Detroit three carmakers, two of which - Chrysler and GM - went into bankruptcy protection in 2009.

Other carmakers were equally upbeat.

"I think people are a lot more confident in making big purchases now. That's the story of the fourth quarter," said Ali Castignetti, head of Nissan sales in the US.

"I think we're going to see slow, steady growth."

Bail-out

Despite strong gains from Ford and Chrysler, GM retained its position as the US's top-selling carmaker, with sales of 2.2 million cars in 2010.

"Our sales this year reflect the impact of GM's new business model," said GM's vice-president of US sales Don Johnson.

"The consistency of results that we achieved demonstrates the focus on our brands, dealers and customers, and how we compete aggressively for every sale, every day."

In the summer of 2009, the company needed $50bn in government assistance as it went through bankruptcy protection. Following the bail-out, the government owned 61% of the company.

Comprehensive restructuring, including selling off a number of brands, has helped the carmaker to return to profitability.

It posted a net profit of $2bn (£1.2bn) in the three months to the end of September, its third consecutive quarter of profitability.

In November, GM raised $20.1bn through a public share offering - the largest share sale in the US to date.

This will allow the government to reduce its stake to as low as 33%.

Improving fortunes

Chrysler also went into bankruptcy protection in the summer of 2009 after being bailed out the by the government following a sales slump during the downturn, but it has struggled to return to profitability since.

In the third quarter of last year, the carmaker lost $84m, following a $172m loss in the previous three months. It has, however, forecast a profit for the full year 2010 of $700m.

Ford, which did not enter bankruptcy protection or take financial assistance from the government, made a profit of $1.7bn between July and September, its sixth consecutive quarterly profit
 

xiggi

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Car sales are still way down from a few years ago. It all depends on how you want numbers to look as to what numbers you compare them against.
 

greg334

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Sue,
It is great to hear the news but when you know it is coming from the sales staff and not the guys who actually know what the numbers mean, it is pretty much meaningless.

Sales isn't as important as many make it out as, market share is and GM is leading the way of handing out the BS about market share.

The funny thing is that a lot of sales are short term leases and sub-prime loan based sales which was one of the biggest problems they had in the first place. Just today I could have gotten into a Dodge product for little down and only $187 a month - with my crappy credit rating. I could have leased the thing for $2000 down and $127 a month for 24 months.
 

layoutshooter

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All kinds of sub-prime housing stuff going on again. Pete and Re Pete. Heading down the same lousy road.
 

EnglishLady

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Sue,
It is great to hear the news but when you know it is coming from the sales staff and not the guys who actually know what the numbers mean, it is pretty much meaningless.

Sales isn't as important as many make it out as, market share is and GM is leading the way of handing out the BS about market share.

The funny thing is that a lot of sales are short term leases and sub-prime loan based sales which was one of the biggest problems they had in the first place. Just today I could have gotten into a Dodge product for little down and only $187 a month - with my crappy credit rating. I could have leased the thing for $2000 down and $127 a month for 24 months.



Thanks Greg :D

How do you interpret the posted profit figures in comparison (to what they are saying lol) to last year?
 

greg334

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They are meaningless because these companies were coming out of bankruptcy with a large amount of cash reserves on hand and no debt last year so there is no comparison that can be made and stand on their own.

The twist is, especially with GM, that a lot of it is a numbers game, and until they actually gain market share after the incentives and special tax breaks are gone, they are floating along on our dime.

By the way, GM paid out money to the pension fund but failed to pay the tax payers.
 

Oilerman1957

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They are meaningless because these companies were coming out of bankruptcy with a large amount of cash reserves on hand and no debt last year so there is no comparison that can be made and stand on their own.

The twist is, especially with GM, that a lot of it is a numbers game, and until they actually gain market share after the incentives and special tax breaks are gone, they are floating along on our dime.

By the way, GM paid out money to the pension fund but failed to pay the tax payers.

If I am correct the taxpayers owned a certain % of shares, so when GM issued the sale of stock this allowed the gov to sale a certain % of there shares, thus, taxpayers got some money back
 

greg334

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If I am correct the taxpayers owned a certain % of shares, so when GM issued the sale of stock this allowed the gov to sale a certain % of there shares, thus, taxpayers got some money back

NOT how it worked. The tax payer got ****ed in the deal.

Here is the problem....

The loan was made with the sell that the US tax payer, who is on the hook for 15% more than the loan amount by the way, was to make money on the stock sale and 'get paid back'. The IPO was rushed through, like the bankruptcy, the stock price was set 40% less than what it should have been for a simple payback and the IPO went through. In order for the US taxpayer to be paid back the stock should have been at or about $54 a share, not the $32 a share. In fact the stock price should have been set at $57 to ensure the taxpayer was paid a profit. BUT alas, the US taxpayer took a 65% loss on the money and interest on the money they borrowed to help poor little GM out.

The need to have a victory for the administration and congress, even a false one, push the IPO ahead by a few years. Instead of waiting for the company value to rise by good solid sales numbers, what ever market share they could gain and other factors, the stock value didn't matter but the IPO did.

I have to agree with a number of economists and others critics who said GM is an illustration of failure of the system of government and a archaic manufacturing system. By intervening into the bankruptcy process and by loaning money to a company in default, it would have been a thousand times better if GM would have gone through a proper bankruptcy and if need be sold off piece by piece - the same results of job losses would have happened but the UAW and the company execs would not have been "taken care of" like they have.

BUT as I was listening to some "black" professor talk about the failures of Obama, he criticized Obama for being influenced by the big corporations and it dawned on me that GM and the screwing of the US taxpayer is a perfect example of how he help his friends in big business more than any other president has done in the past. The bailouts of Goldman and other wall street firms also backs that thought up.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Lets share some blame..Bush started all this and Obama wrote the checks....both parties are at fault...
 

greg334

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NO actually it isn't even Obama's or Bush's fault,

It starts with the UAW and the company on labor issues. Seeing the Kia plant and another fully automated plant recently shows me we can get rid of this labor problem and become a manufacturing center again.

It is also the company's fault for their arrogance and failure to market products in their home market that sell - this is important because without the 'incentives' car sales would have not moved at all.

It is congress's fault because they didn't do their job to make sure others did theirs - like make banks and lenders play by the rules.

It is also congress's fault for the entire mess with the banks and lenders by not having the right regulations to prevent these problems in the first place.

It is our fault for voting the congress in and allowing them to do what they did.

So blame is all around but the thing is, under Obama's watch, we have seen record profits in the investment sector, broken promises to curb bad banking and mortgage practices and we as a nation are on the hook for trillions of dollars borrowed and billions of interest that we will never pay.
 

chefdennis

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One thing most people don't know is that when sales numbers are released by the factories, thise are sales of units to the dealers and rental companies...not to consumers...Yeap the numbers are up, but only because the number of sales to dealers the yr before was crap and also the fact that the gov made the auto makers force dealers out of buiness...sales were going to be in the bucket...they have no place to go but up....now when the dealers are sitting on 90-120 day supply of units and the consumer isn't buying because they aren't working, or the fact that those that are buying are buying used trucks and suv's not the new "Eletric" green cars that barry is pushing then you will see more "incentives, rebates and sub-prime lending ...its the same circle that the suto industry has been in for too many yrs....its all an illusion...

Another point that the consumersdon't really know is that new car sales are not the major profit center for the dealer, they are the necessity to bring people to the dealership for other services and used cars....
 

skyraider

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US Navy
Did Sprinter sales increase by 28 pct, why right here in Sinsinatti oh, there are 40 new sprinters at the Walmart and the drivers are just so happy , I did notice IV,s in their arms though, they kept mumbling something about $ 1000 a month payments and sold their 1st born though, but they can stand up now to get dressed and thats important too. Its the important things that count like that. :rolleyes:
 
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