Ups and the silent bailout

fortwayne · Feb 3, 2010

This is not a political statement or post, but, I just can't take anymore of these huge corporations sucking us all dry of OUR MONEY.

Now it seems that UPS is at it again. Actually, they have been pushing this since mid-2009 at full steam pace, but little has been said, if anything in the main stream media.

Using their clout as the “biggest giver to U.S. lawmakers,” UPS hopes to slip this bailout in under the radar. UPS lobbyists have buried a short 230-word legislative bailout deep inside the FAA Reauthorization Act.

I believe while this could put a rope around the neck of FedEx Air Service, I also believe when ever a company tries to brings legislation that directly and adversely affects a competitor, that action should immediately be suspect, as a writer on Brown Bailout stated.

Go to Brown Bailout to learn more.......sure this has been quitely going on for awhile and we all know that it will take flight again in 2010!

IMHO - any bailout of any corporation creates a disturbance to the American free enterprise system. It may give one corporation a rescue line, but, it creates an unfair disadvantage to all the corporations that have played by the rules, developed solid business plans and made plans to adjust to the falling economic situations.

Poorboy · Feb 3, 2010

You would be Surprised as to How Much Sneakiness The Pant Load in Chief and His Minions are Doing! This is Just One of Many!

davekc · Feb 3, 2010

From the little I know on the subject, I believe they are trying to convert Fedex company drivers to unionize via the teamsters. The current Fedex company drivers are covered under the old railroad act. UPS is trying to push or influence legislation that would force the Fed to unionize.
A financial bailout is kinda of a mischaracterization as they aren't asking for taxpayer money.

OntarioVanMan · Feb 3, 2010

Being under the old railway act actually gives Fedex an advantage, I believe...which UPS is trying to change...

greg334 · Feb 3, 2010

This is not really coming from UPS but the teamsters and it is to expand their rank and file. If FedEx had such an advantage, then UPS would not be here today, so it is not really the issue.

As for free market, unions stifle that - apparently as one commentator now turned politician noted Unions like the teamsters may be as unAmerican to America as German National Socialism was to France in 1940.

Jack_Berry · Feb 3, 2010

Poorboy said:
You would be Surprised as to How Much Sneakiness The Pant Load in Chief and His Minions are Doing! This is Just One of Many!

......and this is different from any other administration, how?

care to elaborate on your statement? lets have facts and not conjecture and innuendo.

proceed to defend your statement.

Poorboy · Feb 3, 2010

Jack_Berry said:
......and this is different from any other administration, how?

care to elaborate on your statement? lets have facts and not conjecture and innuendo.

proceed to defend your statement.

I Never said that it was any Different from any Other Administration! I don't Really have to Defend my Statement Because that's exactly what I and Others Believe! Elaborate? Ok, How about the Back door Payoff's (Bribes and Threats) for the Votes for His Obumma Care? How about the "Closed Door" Meetings with his Cheer Leaders Regarding Obumma Care? And Ofcourse Lets Not Forget The Transparency Issue especially for the Health Care (That Never Happened)! How about The Pay Offs to the Unions? How About His Little ACORN Organization? I Think that That's enough for Right now!

RANDYnRONDA · Feb 3, 2010

Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POORBOY!! you hit it right on the nail.

Poorboy · Feb 3, 2010

RANDYnRONDA said:
Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POORBOY!! you hit it right on the nail.

Thank You

ConfusedMuse · Feb 3, 2010

Well, why we are on it... Let's not forget Pelosis's (sp) statement about what's touted during election campaigns doesn't have to be the truth. OR, the fact of the thousands of dollars she spends flying to and from her home in military jets. Ya know every politician in the world scams the honest joes,and janes.. but so blatantly?

hedgehog · Feb 3, 2010

greg334 said:
This is not really coming from UPS but the teamsters and it is to expand their rank and file. If FedEx had such an advantage, then UPS would not be here today, so it is not really the issue.

As for free market, unions stifle that - apparently as one commentator now turned politician noted Unions like the teamsters may be as unAmerican to America as German National Socialism was to France in 1940.

As the resident UPS-Emeritus Expert, I can tell you two (2) things for certain:

1: Greg who is the Emeritus Know-It-All could not be more wrong.

2: I have spoken to UPS Personnel who have been "asked" to mail requests to their Congressmen and Senators pleading for relief from the non-union Fed Ex Conglomerate. They are provided a "guideline" stating that there is unfair competition due to Fed Ex anti-union stance and demand relief from this "unfair situation".

Do not be confused, because if UPS could rid themselves of the Teamsters, it is my opinion they would do so in a hearbeat.

greg334 · Feb 3, 2010

OK... I don't think so and I'm not going to get into a p*ssing contest with you.

Hedgehog try this-

Call this number - 202-624-6800

There will be a nice lady who answers and ask for James Hoffa to see what he says. Now he may be busy and you may get one of his staffers but if you get the guy on the phone, ask him why they are specifically using their lobbying consultants to push for this to happen.

You do know that the Teamsters were part of the group that wrote the original bill?

Maybe he can tell you how much money they have spent so far lobbying the administration and the congress, it is far more than you may think.

If you can't talk to Jimmy, ask for Bret Caldwell or Lisa Kinard at that same number and ask them the reason why they are backing UPS and this legislation. It may surprise you that they may want to unionize FedEx and this is the only way they can.

The same BS argument was made by the post office over the issue of outside firm handling mail as it was unfair to the USPS and congress didn't do a thing about it as they should not do a thing about UPS. If UPS can't deal with competition, which they had for like 30 something years, then maybe they need to rethink their business and change. It isn't like they don't have overhead with teamster workforce - you know hedge, you are right UPS would get rid of them if they could so why in the h*ll don't they instead of tying to screw with another company unfairly?

fortwayne · Feb 4, 2010

I think we can all agree the Teamsters has their hand in this matter, however, it is still working as an unfair advantage for UPS if this would go through - and it would be a form of a 'bailout' or whatever you want to call it, it would amount to the same thing.....working the system to provide an unfair advantage to a preferred corporation.
Bailing out any company via taxpayer monies, or special legislation is a terrible plan. It is a bandaid that will only cover up a much larger 'cut' within the company.
We should not award companies for their failures, for their mismanagement and for their inability to create a solid business plan during a failing economy.
To stimulate the economy we do not create growth and recovery by spending taxpayer money on companies, or provide unfair regulations to companies that can not manage their own monies and/or their own business structure.
What we need here is for the government to lower the basic business taxes to all businesses and demand from those business they will not export any additional US jobs.
What we need here is for the government to get out of the way of private business and allow private business to do what they do best - and that is to run a business, to create a product or service and to create good paying jobs. And for those companies that can not handle competition because of their own inability - then that is their failure and not the problems of others.