They seen barry and his ilk coming in 1950

[chefdennis]

Yeap people knew back in 1950 what our government was capable of..well the founders were aware and wrote about it , but they didn't have film to record it..but this group did.....and to think barry wasn't even born yet and they knew he would be here.....

Eerily prophetic 1950 short film that is not too far off the mark relating to recent Governmental take-overs of our top financial institutions, Socialism has just been shoved down our throats America!

Part #1 - YouTube - 1950- In Our Hands 3 (part 1)
Part #2 - YouTube - 1950 In Our Hands 3 (part 2)

 

[greg334]

You know what really bothers me is that all of this information has been there for years and years and no one ever discovered it until something happened. When it impacts people or precieves to, they act, how lazy is that?

They have been talking about this specfic subject for 125 years, yes since 1884. It was then that the entire financial system was a mess and all knids of ideas were being tried in the back ground but not much worked. The years following, there were fights about standards and even about how big the paper money was to be. We knew this was all coming and did in 1913 because of the mess of 1907.

Outside of that, we have been warned about the government take over of everything because of Wilson (who also had his Fishy reporting system) and FDR. We had to deal with communist in congress and in the White House and had to deal with all kinds of ambiguity in our lives.

The funny thing is if you look at Wilson, READ Wilson's articles and writings, you will learn about a tyrant, a true dictator, a rightous bigot and most of all the elite ideals that drive the present day people in power. It is so clear, so obvious that it isn't funny when you think about the ramifications of their actions then or today - Obama's White House snitch line is far worst than Wilson's snitch line and along the lines of HItler's use of children to fnid desent among the population. Take what Wilson did in during the war, just the restrictions on freedom of speech, the courts who were forced to side with them and the desenters who were jailed. It wasn't a few hundred war protesters but a few thousand citizens. Let's not forget the foreigners who were deported for any and every infraction.

We have had domestic terrorism in this country in the form of real terrorism, not re-defined civil rights crimes. We took crime seriously until the 1960's and now we accept the fact that we have terrorist advising our sitting president - how far backward have we really traveled?

ALL OF this information is there for anyone to read if they want, all they have to do is look for it.

 

[chefdennis]

greg you are absolutely right, we are a nation of "Reactionaries"...we are great at responding when we feel the tug that will mess with us, but not to the point that we will stay vigilant to what might lay ahead...yes we are lazy....but then you will have those that will tell you its all "tin foil" stuff...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

you guys can take this nicely or badly...

But when I was younger I can remember conversations within family members reading the news and commenting on that very ideal Greg mentioned....Americans won't do squat unless it takes a buck out of their pocket or interferes with their lifestyle. Only when it effects them directly will they do something...

 

[chefdennis]

ovm, there is only one way to look at what you said...its a fact....

 

[layoutshooter]

Oh I don't know if that is as much fact as people think. We are VERY charitable as a nation. We do millions of hours of volunteer work every year. From the volunteer firefighters and ambulance crews to soup kitchens, to nursing home visitors and on and on. It is EASY to ONLY look at our failings, it is much harder to see what good we do. It is NOT as "sexy" a story as the "Money Hungry American" is.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I am not saying Canadians aren't the same way...but many, many times the voters have swept out almost entire parties because of an unpopular move/deal....They have taken the ruling party down to 4th party status sometimes...

There was a Federal election can't pinpoint it but well the ruling party had the popular polls and leading if an election were held....they were only 3 years into their mandate....They LOST nearly every seat...Canadians weren't impressed on having to vote for no good reason and wasting taxpayers money...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Oh I don't know if that is as much fact as people think. We are VERY charitable as a nation. We do millions of hours of volunteer work every year. From the volunteer firefighters and ambulance crews to soup kitchens, to nursing home visitors and on and on. It is EASY to ONLY look at our failings, it is much harder to see what good we do. It is NOT as "sexy" a story as the "Money Hungry American" is.

No debate there Joe....Americans can very very benevilent...

 

[layoutshooter]

Your political system works FAR different than ours. It would take a LOT more to do that here. That is ONE of the reasons that 3rd parties don't do well.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Your political system works FAR different than ours. It would take a LOT more to do that here. That is ONE of the reasons that 3rd parties don't do well.

My point was Joe...Canadians will toss out the bad guys quicker then you guys do...if not tossed, then taken from a power position...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Your political system works FAR different than ours. It would take a LOT more to do that here. That is ONE of the reasons that 3rd parties don't do well.

Why? Because the 2 partys now are so deeply entrenched?

 

[chefdennis]

Joe on that and as a nation yes we are a giving nation...but most are also too trusting of our government, even with the warnings out there that are to be found....

 

[layoutshooter]

I was too Dennis until I went into intell and learned what governments world wide were REALLY like. I then took a look at our own, saw that same leftward swing. That is when I entered my "dis-illusioned" peroid.

Sort of OVM, but we can't have EARLY elections as in Canada or England. We tend to vote for individuals more. Our elections are staggared. We can also put in a President of ONE party and the congress another.

If I understand the Canadian system it appears to be much more closely related to the English system than the US.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I was too Dennis until I went into intell and learned what governments world wide were REALLY like. I then took a look at our own, saw that same leftward swing. That is when I entered my "dis-illusioned" peroid.

Sort of OVM, but we can't have EARLY elections as in Canada or England. We tend to vote for individuals more. Our elections are staggared. We can also put in a President of ONE party and the congress another.

If I understand the Canadian system it appears to be much more closely related to the English system than the US.

much different...and Canada does not vote in Senators they are appointed by ruling party not good.

In Canada that would be called a minority government...with 2/3 parties having more MP's then the winning party....thats where the fun comes in....it humbles the ruling party...makes them behave. More deals.

 

[greg334]

OVM,
it used to be that a senator was either appointed by the state government or voted on within the laws of the state - sometime directly by the people sometimes by the legislator.

In 1913 we passed the 17th amendment which forced the states to give up the right to select their senators, pretty much making it an impossible task to move a senator out of office. Until that time, the state was represented, their interests were taken care of by the senators and that was one reason why they ended up with 6 year terms. When the state changed political parties, the senator at the end of his term was either kept or changed to reflect the make up of the state.

The repeal of the 17th amendment would help the states and ourselves a lot but so would removing representation of DC in congress.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yeah Greg, that amendment HAS to go!! We need to start by finding a Constitutional was to OUTLAW ANY money from OUTSIDE of the State to be used for electing our State/Federal officials. Michigan money for Michigan candidates, ONLY!!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

who picks the federal senator for any given state now?

 

[layoutshooter]

Popular vote within the State. LOTS of OUTSIDE money. IN fact in Michigan the VAST amount of money going to MY Congressmen, and BOTH Senators, ALL Dumb-O-Crats comes from out of state sorces. Taking away much if not all, of the polititical power from the People of Michigan.

 

[greg334]

Popular vote within the State. LOTS of OUTSIDE money. IN fact in Michigan the VAST amount of money going to MY Congressmen, and BOTH Senators, ALL Dumb-O-Crats comes from out of state sorces. Taking away much if not all, of the polititical power from the People of Michigan.

See this is the problem, outside influences help the incumbent more than the opponent.

The representative in the house represents the people, they have a two year stretch where if the people are not happy with them, they can vote someone else in.

The Senator used to represent the state but now they represent no one because 6 years is too long to be effective for the people.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

How and what were the reasons for the 17th Amendment? It flies in the face of the constitution....