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You mean the national guard that had to be called in because the former president tried to whip up his minions so that he could remain in power even though he lost the election?
Remember how Trump requested a National Guard presence at the Capitol for that day but the Nancy and the Capitol Police refused because it might be bad optics?
 

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I almost never cite media reports that rely on unnamed sources. I prefer instead reports in which the sources are known and can be confirmed. Worse are the media outlets that pick up and run with the story, citing "A Washington Post report" for example, while the report itself is based on nothing more than an unnamed and unverifiable source. This is not news. It is not fact. For all we know, it's a made-up story having no basis in fact whatsoever and is being published, not with objective news reporting in mind, but with the intent to sway readers/views toward a particular point of view.

I said I almost never cite such reports, not never. I'm making an exception here because I believe the report to be true. The report is:

New grand jury stated for next stage of Trump investigation

We know, factually from court records, that certain investigations regarding the Trump Organization have been underway. It's logical to expect a grand jury to be convened as part of that process, if sufficient evidence is found to support an indictment. Now that this grand jury development has been reported, and the report is reasonable to believe, it's also reasonable to believe indictments will follow.

The only reason prosecutors convene grand juries is to obtain indictments. According to this source, "the rate of indictment by a grand jury ranges from approximately 95% to approximately 99%." So it seems that the investigation has progressed from gathering evidence to presenting it.

We do not know who or what organization(s) will be indicted, or for what, but it is reasonable to expect indictments to come.
 
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Now that this grand jury development has been reported, and the report is reasonable to believe, it's also reasonable to believe indictments will follow.
Also be wary of reports in the news that are "a little too on the nose." If it's exactly what people are looking for...
The only reason prosecutors convene grand juries is to obtain indictments.
And subpoenas and documents.
"the rate of indictment by a grand jury ranges from approximately 95% to approximately 99%."
The phrase comes from Sol Wachtler, the former chief judge of the New York State Court of Appeals. In 1985 he argued in an interview with the New York Daily News that grand juries should be eliminated from most felony cases:

Wachtler said district attorneys have so much influence on grand juries that “by and large” they could get them to “indict a ham sandwich.”

The “ham sandwich” line was later immortalized when author Tom Wolfe quoted the judge in his novel The Bonfire of the Vanities. Wachtler, who is Jewish, subsequently said ”that he regrets that he didn’t say ‘pastrami’ sandwich.”
but it is reasonable to expect indictments to come.
They've been itching to get Trump, or someone close to him, for five years. You betcha there's gonna be indictments.
 

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You mean the national guard that had to be called in because the former president tried to whip up his minions so that he could remain in power even though he lost the election?

But im with you on the rioting, send in the guard and let them take care of the problem, when people are dying because they showed up to riot, maybe they will think twice.
The only person that was killed that day was a Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt.
 

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Remember how Trump requested a National Guard presence at the Capitol for that day but the Nancy and the Capitol Police refused because it might be bad optics?
Now she is for fortified fences with machine guns.
 

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Also be wary of reports in the news that are "a little too on the nose." If it's exactly what people are looking for...
Fair point
And subpoenas and documents.
Yes
The phrase comes from Sol Wachtler, the former chief judge of the New York State Court of Appeals. In 1985 he argued in an interview with the New York Daily News that grand juries should be eliminated from most felony cases:

Wachtler said district attorneys have so much influence on grand juries that “by and large” they could get them to “indict a ham sandwich.”

The “ham sandwich” line was later immortalized when author Tom Wolfe quoted the judge in his novel The Bonfire of the Vanities. Wachtler, who is Jewish, subsequently said ”that he regrets that he didn’t say ‘pastrami’ sandwich.”
I'm familiar with the quote. Prosecutors definately have an advantage in front of grand juries.

They've been itching to get Trump, or someone close to him, for five years. You betcha there's gonna be indictments.
Yep, and then we can finally see, in an objective court, what the facts may or may not be, and how they stand up. It could have happened sooner but Trump has fought and delayed these processes every step of the way. Things are moving faster now because Trump can no longer use the powers and priviliges of the presidency to slow things down.
 
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You mean the national guard that had to be called in because the former president tried to whip up his minions so that he could remain in power even though he lost the election?

But im with you on the rioting, send in the guard and let them take care of the problem, when people are dying because they showed up to riot, maybe they will think twice.
The National Guard would be there to control the crowd with tear gas and other non lethal means, if need be, that is all.
 

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Fair point

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I'm familiar with the quote. Prosecutors definately have an advantage in front of grand juries.


Yep, and then we can finally see, in an objective court, what the facts may or may not be, and how they stand up. It could have happened sooner but Trump has fought and delayed these processes every step of the way. Things are moving faster now because Trump can no longer use the powers and priviliges of the presidency to slow things down.
Where would be that objective court?
I'm waiting for the punchline.
 
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Remember how Trump requested a National Guard presence at the Capitol for that day but the Nancy and the Capitol Police refused because it might be bad optics?
Ahhh, so he knew what was going to happen, talk about leading his sheep to the slaughter.....

And people still believe his lies.....
 
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Ahhh, so he knew what was going to happen, talk about leading his sheep to the slaughter.....
Uhm, no. Nice mind-reading attempt, though.
But you don't have to do any mind reading or jump to any conclusions, we have the actual congressional House Oversight Committee testimony from the actual guy Trump talked with regarding the troops, former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller. Trump specifically wanted National Guard troops there to protect his supporters, not to protect the Capitol from his supporters. He had no reason to believe the Capitol was in any danger, because as we now know, also from congressional testimony, the Capitol Police and the FBI both failed to inform the White House of known plots to take over the Capitol that day.
 
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The jan 6th riot was not a insurrection and there was one murder.....a woman was shot by a capital police officer and we still do not know who that was.....but a Columbus, oh police officer is dox by lebron James it's all good.....
 
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