The Individual Mandate is Not a Tax, no wait it is a Tax....

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Obama, angrily denounced during the health care debate. Most prominently, in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Obama argued that the mandate was "absolutely not a tax increase," and he dug into his view even after being confronted with a dictionary definition

Well barry argued it wasn't a Tax....you know it was covered under the "Commerce Clause" and with that they could make the people purchase something (insurance) from a private business.. Well it seems they might be thinking that that might not work out...So the DOJ is now telling the Court that the Court has no power to dismiss this forced mandate or to tell the barry Admin that "they over stepped their power on the people" because it is a now a TAX....just like SS..... and using the "Anti-Injunction Act" to do it...Can you say "grabbing at starws".......LOL...or maybe barry just Lied and was planning the biggest Tax increase he could on the Middle Class all along...oh wait, he is planning on doing that with "Cap and Tax".....LOL...

Couldn't screw the people legally, so they will try and do it illegally...wait it was illegal and unconstitutional to begin with......I think they are finally figuring that out and they are simply looking for ways to force their will on the people come H*ll or High water....

Hows that "Hope and Change" workin out for all you that said we "need to give him a chance"!?!?!? Maybe the "Transparency" that barry talked about is workin for you...or maybe the way he was "going to change the way things were done in Washington" to involve the people.....LOL....


Obama Admin. Argues in Court That Individual Mandate Is a Tax

By Philip Klein
6.17.10 @ 2:04PM
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Obama Admin. Argues in Court That Individual Mandate Is a Tax

In order to protect the new national health care law from legal challenges, the Obama administration has been forced to argue that the individual mandate represents a tax -- even though Obama himself argued the exact opposite while campaigning to pass the legislation.

Late last night, the Obama Department of Justice filed a motion to dismiss the Florida-based lawsuit against the health care law, arguing that the court lacks jurisdiction and that the State of Florida and fellow plaintiffs haven't presented a claim for which the court can grant relief. To bolster its case, the DOJ cited the Anti-Injunction Act, which restricts courts from interfering with the government's ability to collect taxes.

The Act, according to a DOJ memo supporting the motion to dismiss, says that "no suit for the purpose of restraining the assessment or collection of any tax shall be maintained in any court by any person, whether or not such person is the person against whom such tax was assessed." The memo goes on to say that it makes no difference whether the disputed payment it is called a "tax" or "penalty," because either way, it's "assessed and collected in the same manner" by the Internal Revenue Service.

But this is a characterization that Democrats, and specifically Obama, angrily denounced during the health care debate. Most prominently, in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Obama argued that the mandate was "absolutely not a tax increase," and he dug into his view even after being confronted with a dictionary definition:

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but...

OBAMA: ...what you're saying is...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

At the time Obama made that statement, the Senate Finance Committee had just released its own health care bill, which clearly referred to the mandate penalty as an "excise tax." But in later versions, the word "tax" was stripped, because it had become too much of a political liability for Democrats. The final version that Obama signed did not describe the mandate as a tax, and used the Commerce Clause -- not federal taxing power -- as the Constitutional justification for the mandate.

""This is an about face from what is laid out in the law," said Karen Harned of the National Federation of Independent Business, which joined the Florida lawsuit against ObamaCare. "In the text of the healthcare law, the findings for passing an individual mandate specifically rely on the effects of individuals on the national economy and interstate commerce. Nowhere in the findings is the mandate referred to as a tax. The Justice Department is now calling it a tax to try and convince the court not to rule on whether or not Congress exceeded their authority under the Commerce Clause by legislating that all citizens must purchase private health insurance or face a penalty."

Put another way, the administration is now arguing in federal court that Obama signed a massive middle-class tax increase, in violation of his campaign pledge.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
These people will not give up. The use of force is not out of the question if they lose in the courts. Not that our courts can be trusted to uphold the Constitution any longer.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
If the court rules with the DOJ in that it's a tax, then the mandate will be challenged in court on the basis that it violates the Interstate Commerce Clause, which a tax violates under the constitutional provision "no tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any State."

On a side note, I'd like to thank The American Spectator for giving Obama a new idea, in creating the Obama Department of Justice along side of the US Department of Justice.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I say YES let it happen, let the courts be forced not to hear cases on health care, let the people figure out what happened to their money and their health care and let them figure out how to vote to change things.

When he campaigned on change, he didn't say when so it may be after people get fed up with the sh*t and say enough of this democrat/republican crap to actually force changes.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
What else can you expect from a criminal regime? This batch is exponentially worse than any other administration in the history of the nation. The worst administration previously wasn't a regime. If this nation isn't destroyed by this regime it is irrepairably damaged and will never fully recover to what it was prior to this horrible untenable regime.
 
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