Tea Party a Success !

Poorboy

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Yesterdays Tea Party Appears to be a Big Success with More and More People Attending, Both Republicans and Democrats! And More and More Tea Parties all over the Nation, 1486 To Be Exact.. It also Appears that There are a Whole Lot of People Getting Real Tired Real Quick Of Obumma and His Little Band of Thieves and Miscreants Infamous Frivilous Spending Habits and The Sneakiness of Sneaking Bills in at the Last Minute with All of the Pork, and Getting them Passed by The Morons in The Senate and Congress!!!!
Now He's on his way to Russia, Makes me wonder as to what he is going to Apologize for this time!!

The Old Saying is that if you give Someone enough Rope then they will Eventually Hang Themselves and Hopefully That will Happen Soon, Because He Sure is on The Right Track!! :D
 

OntarioVanMan

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I;ve seen more and more comments on news articles and such with remarks like....My Gawd what have we done....or This isn;t what I thought I voted for....
 

LDB

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I;ve seen more and more comments on news articles and such with remarks like....My Gawd what have we done....or This isn;t what I thought I voted for....

No, but it's exactly what the clear visioned warned they'd be voting for.
 

dabluzman1

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Yesterdays Tea Party Appears to be a Big Success with More and More People Attending, Both Republicans and Democrats! And More and More Tea Parties all over the Nation, 1486 To Be Exact.. It also Appears that There are a Whole Lot of People Getting Real Tired Real Quick Of Obumma and His Little Band of Thieves and Miscreants Infamous Frivilous Spending Habits and The Sneakiness of Sneaking Bills in at the Last Minute with All of the Pork, and Getting them Passed by The Morons in The Senate and Congress!!

I understand someone being dissatisfied with the current environment we have in the USA.
The Prez has the position that takes the heat.
But, you are short minded to think that his impact as of this date has had 1/1000 of the devastation that Bush and his cronies did to this country.
Look it up, 7 of 8 years Geo was in charge this country went in debt 500 billion dollars.
That is a national debt of over 3.5 trillion dollars we are saddled with, no matter who won this last election, and is the mill stone around our necks that is drowning this country.
Is the Prez on the right or wrong track, time will tell.
Geos' legacy is the national debt, one that your great great grand children will still be trying to get out from under.
 

OntarioVanMan

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But 3.5 trillion was overcomeable....now its at approx 11 trillion in less then a year and they are projecting another 2 trillion already for next fiscal year. i am all for giving anyone a chance but thats a whack of money...
 

LDB

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Bush was a mediocre president. He did not do what he should to close and protect our borders and our sovereignty. He signed off on too much earmarking and spending. Even so, Obama has at the very least doubled the amount of debt left by Bush in 8 years in office and Obama has doubled it in less than 8 months! At the current rate we will be talking quadrillion dollar debt if fools put Obama in for another four years.
 

RLENT

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No, but it's exactly what the clear visioned warned they'd be voting for.
Yes .... and some with reeaally clear vision warned that failure to put aside the derogatory labeling, the constant partisan bickering, the name-calling, the false left/right paradigm, and a failure to organize around a third party candidate ...... would deliver the presidency right into the hands of Obama ...... because the brand (Republican) was (and still is) tainted, and the offered product (McCain) defective .....

Reasonably intelligent people aren't gonna buy the same old crap - the guys that while they know the right words to say, can't sing the tune, can't deliver, can't get the ball across the goal line. Ain't gonna happen.

In fact, you could say that due to the failure to support a viable 3rd party candidate, those at the grassroots level on the Right - the ones with "clear vision" - literally drove folks into the arms of Obama. Almost too funny ...... if it weren't so sad ........

Voters, ever hopeful that a new face will bring the change they seek, united around someone - likely foolishly, considering who it was - who they thought might deliver that change.

Just in case you hadn't noticed, the folks that most people want to seem listen to and want to support are those that offer some known path or activity that actually leads towards accomplishing something (politically) that produces real change in the conditions that they see as needing changing.

They tend not to support (or listen to) those folks that go around ranting about the Left (or the Right), liberals (or conservatives), Democrats (or Republicans) etc., etc. .... because they tend to view such folks as extremists ..... wackos .... Far Right, or Far Left.

I'm sure that's it's quite alot of fun, and I'm also quite sure that there is immense satisfaction with being able to pat oneself on the back while saying: "See - I told you so" .... but you really are only preaching to the choir anyways, and they are already with you ..... so why bother ?

You ain't gonna convince anyone that ain't already there yet - because the exact technique you are employing is guaranteed to drive them away. At the end of the day (or week, or month, or year) what have you accomplished ? .... nada ..... zip.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, elections are won, on the margin, thru appeal to the broad middle of the political spectrum - coming into the Soap Box on a regular basis and posting things which simply alienate those with which you might form a coalition to accomplish real change, probably isn't a real smart tactic, and certainly isn't a very bright strategy. But hey, it's a free country ... go ahead .... keep on doing the same ol', same ol' (.... what is it that they say about continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result ?)

You (and others) had the opportunity to support a candidate that had a fairly broad appeal across partisan lines - which is where you really need to be: building a wide coalition, around a alternative candidate that isn't a bought and paid for part of either party's machine.

Continued adherence to the fixed idea that the deck is stacked and that no 3rd party candidate is viable will get you exactly the same thing that that operating principle got you the last time you used it: no results

Now after that debacle ('08 elections), what are the so-called "clear-visioned" folks gonna offer up for 2012 .... Sarah Palin ? ..... maybe Mitt Romney ? ........ Mike Huckabee ? ..... or, if you want a real gut-buster, how's about this one ...... Jeb Bush ?

If the above are the best ya can muster, well then, you really don't need to worry much about wresting control from the Dems and Obama ..... it likely ain't gonna happen for a long, long time ....

Get comfy, and settle in .... cause it's gonna be a long, cold winter for ya, in terms of the political season.
 
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greg334

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Well First the national debt has been at or around $9 trillion, excluding the unfunded obligations - Social Security.

What Obama has handed us is a true debt of $54 trillion dollars between the loses we incurred, the loss of value of the dollar and the interest on the debt we now owe. All of this rush to throw money at the problems virtually eliminated our ability to borrow in the future.

Rlent, you make a very good point but I think that the Dems have control only for so long and that maybe 2010 that they may lose the house and some in the senate. With the "recorded" unemployment, people struggling to make ends meet and so on, people, even hardcore Obama fans may have to change their attitude about their senator/congressman. This has happened before, nothing is guarenteed in life to remain the same, especailly in congress.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Greg..Ya ole fuddy duddy...the point is Dems or GOP it ain't going to matter, to vote the same crap in will not shake things up and make things right...Its quality of candidate that should be voted in...

It is time to shake and rock the house up!
 

greg334

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Well OVM, it starts with getting rid of the incumbent. It doesn't matter who is running against the incumbent, getting the door open is the first step.

Take Dingell, after 75 years of the same family being in office in the same seat that should have had 35 different people in it. If they elect anyone other than Dingell, then the next election will give the chance for someone of quality to get in.
 

layoutshooter

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Well OVM, it starts with getting rid of the incumbent. It doesn't matter who is running against the incumbent, getting the door open is the first step.

Take Dingell, after 75 years of the same family being in office in the same seat that should have had 35 different people in it. If they elect anyone other than Dingell, then the next election will give the chance for someone of quality to get in.

A quality candidate? In SouthEast Michigan? Not a snowballs chance in heck. The UAW will dictate who gets elected around here. You will get left or lefter for the most part. The Dingell family needs to go. We need a SOLID, non-socialist candidate, just for a change.

As for the direction of the Country, try something other than marxism or socialism. We have been headed down that road for over 60 years and all it has done was cost us a fortune and most people are worse off because of it. How about trying a NEW direction? Just a thought.
 

greg334

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I used him as an example of stupidity of people to reelect someone who has taken jobs from the state.

But for the people who think Michigan is not an example of what is going to happen, take a close look at the Detroit Police chief and his departure.

The "new" Temporary Mayor with a eight month tenure contract (Dave Bing) fired the chief of police (James Barren) on Friday without a valid reason, to be exact he hasn't really given one. The "Old" Temporary Mayor (Ken Cokrel) hired the Chief (James Barren) after the resignation of the last Chief (Ella Bully-Cummings) who needed to leave for her work in covering up and destroying evidence from the text scandal that "rocked" the nation and caused the elected Mayor to resign in Shame (Kwame Kilpatrick) and get a job at Compuware. That all was supposed to be investigated by the Wayne County Sheriff (Warren Evans)to find out if she needs to also get a job with compuware but the quick handed trick was used with this issue because it seems that the Wayne Country Sheriff (Warren Evans) is actually the former husband of the former Chief of Police (Ella Bully-Cummings) so of course they prayed and nothing ever happened.

The new Chief who is just appointed under the "new" Temporary Mayor (Dave Bing) is the Wayne Country Sheriff (Warren Evans) who also wants to be mayor of that pit of a city and who ran a hard campaign last year to remain the sheriff saying his work is not done yet. So the County executive/former Sheriff (Robert Ficano) and the county head prosecution (Kim "I will compromise" Worthy) is throwing out the name of another former police chief (Benny Napoleon) who actually did nothing for the city except speak about a skater's knee (Nancy "I don't want to go to Disney Land" Kerrigan) and his celebrity arrest of perpetrator who banged the knee (Tanya Harding).

I left out the three court orders that setup a monitoring system for the Detroit Police department which have to do with everything from the mess in the crime labs to the promotion system.

Oh yea Let me add that this is the change that Obama was talking about. If you have to fool the people, make the story hard enough to follow it so they give up trying to figure it all out and let you do what ever you want.
 
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dabluzman1

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So you are unhappy with what has been going on with the new Prez.
Please, tell me, what do you think your candidate, if he had won, could have done to off set the disaster facing him left from the previous administration.
Please, dont site his foriegn policy as a reason, let me know what ANYONE, who took the oval office after the fiasco called Bush left, could do to keep more homes , banks, and companies from going under without increasing the deficit.
Should he have just said, save yourselves and stood pat as the country imploded?
Understand, I am not an Obama lover, I just want to know what else should or could have been done without increasing the deficit?
 

OntarioVanMan

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I think anyone in charge had to help the banks...the country needs a sound financial base on which to grow.....the auto industry should have fended for itself....all we did was stall the enivitable..it would have been messy but it is messy now anyways...

as far as stimulus...would have been a far better investment to cut corporate tax rates to the bone to encourage the manufacturing base to invest or even return...more permanent jobs would have been created then what what created now....these construction jobs are a bandaid approach...
 
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Poorboy

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So you are unhappy with what has been going on with the new Prez.
Please, tell me, what do you think your candidate, if he had won, could have done to off set the disaster facing him left from the previous administration.
Please, dont site his foriegn policy as a reason, let me know what ANYONE, who took the oval office after the fiasco called Bush left, could do to keep more homes , banks, and companies from going under without increasing the deficit.
Should he have just said, save yourselves and stood pat as the country imploded?
Understand, I am not an Obama lover, I just want to know what else should or could have been done without increasing the deficit?

Well For One: Instead of "Giving" Away all That Money to all these Companies, He Could Have Taken those Billions of Dollars and Given it Back to the "Tax Payers"! Once the Tax Payers Got their Money then they Could/Would Have Paid Taxes On that Cash, Bought and Or Paid Off their Homes, Bought and or Paid Off Their New Cars which Would Have Created More Jobs and Kept More Jobs, and So On and So On! Now Correct me if I'm Wrong, But Doesn't that Sound Better Than Giving it to These Huge Corporations who Didn't do anything But Give their CEOs Bonus's and then Go Belly Up? :D
 

hdxpedx

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QUOTE BE INFORMED!! SIMPLE! FIRST THING NEVER BE GUIDED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA FOREHEAD paul mc-loon dnc HATE FAX MACHINE!! THEN Go after every congressperson barney/dodge who BLOCKED any inquires on FREDDIE/FANNIE- then FOCUSE on the RISK takers and guarantee security by tax cuts!! They will TAKE RISK and start BUSINESSES that HIRE!! Then businesses will produce their products and sometimes run out of supplies, then call you to deliver them!! OR do it this way 10% unemployment!! FINALLY grassroots will eat- while the top will drop!
 
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greg334

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The next president should have dismantled the entire system put in place in the last quarter of 2008. stopped the TARP funds and left things to fall on their own. Sure a lot of companies would have failed but less than one would think.

He/she should have lowered taxes to stimulate the economy. Amazing that Germany and other EU countries are doing just that instead of spending billions.

He/she should have returned the banking industry accounting policies back to the way they were in the 80's. This also includes fighting to repeal Sarbanes-Oxley and the other five or six banking regulations that actually cause more problems than they are worth.

He/she should put an end to variable rate (non-traditional) mortgages for at least 5 years.

He/she forced the interest rates to rise at least two points to shore up the dollar. Cut back on the currency on the market and tighten up on the budget.

He/she make serious changes to the FTC, SEC and the GAO in order to follow the anti-trust laws that were created to prevent massive meltdowns. They should also have bought to court under the anti-trust laws the banks, lending institutions and other companies that were 'too large to fail'.

He/she would have to bring to task the congress oversight committees who let all of this happen.
 
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