Tagging penguins limits survival chances, study shows

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Guardian Jan 12

Survival rates for king penguins with flipper bands dropped by 16% and the birds produced 39% fewer chicks

Tagging the flippers of penguins for long-term scientific studies significantly limits their chances of survival and ability to raise chicks, according to a decade-long study in the Antarctic.


The researchers found that the survival rates for king penguins with flipper bands dropped by 16% and the birds produced 39% fewer chicks. The finding raises serious questions about the ethics of banding penguins for research and casts doubt on years of data produced by tagging the birds in this way.


Flipper banding, a technique that involves placing a band usually made of stainless steel under penguins' flippers to identify them, is used by some researchers to identify them and gather long-term information about their behaviour and ecology.


The latest available figures, from a study published in 2000, show that between 1988 and 1996, 36,000 penguins were flipper banded by scientists.


The study, published today by French researchers in Nature, followed 100 penguins over 10 years, half of them with the bands and half without.


"At the end of the study we had much higher numbers of non-banded than banded birds," said Claire Saraux, at the University of Strasbourg who co-authored the study.



Bands also heavily impacted the birds' breeding success. "Banded birds would arrive later at the colony to breed and so they would begin breeding later. Our idea is because of the drag effect, they spend more time at sea and it takes them longer to swim back to the colony, so they are at a disadvantage," said Saraux.


The drag effect of the bands means the penguins swim slower and expend more energy than they otherwise would. In 1994, Prof Rory Wilson of Swansea University conducted a study which found that penguins with flipper bands used 24% more energy to swim.


The authors of the report say that while tracking penguins is essential to understanding changes in their population and the effects of various factors including rises in sea temperatures, flipper banding is problematic because it may distort the results.


"As we show in our paper there is a drop in breeding success and it is known in sea birds that when this fails it induces immigration to other colonies so then there is a problem if you use flipper banding to study immigration. It will skew the numbers," said Yvon Le Maho, the report's lead author.


To track the non-banded birds in their study, Le Maho and Saraux used tiny electronic chips with radio transmissions. Le Maho says this is a possible alternative to flipper bands but that it presents other challenges.


"The only difficulty is that once a bird is only with an electronic tag you need an antenna for identification – so to study immigration you need antennas in different colonies – you cannot do it simply by observation as you do with flipper bands but again [flipper bands] skew the data," he said.


Wilson, who has been studying penguins for three decades, said: "The big question is does what you get from the study justify the cost – and the costs are increased mortality without a shadow of a doubt and decreased reproductive success."


"It is going to be very difficult as a scientist to come back and defend flipper banding and the hope is that if people don't stop flipper banding they're at least cognisant of what it implicates," he said.


Wilson says although the practice has been in decline in recent years, there is no comprehensive ban or policy against it internationally
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
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For all animals, whether it is a tag, band or radio collar, I believe it becomes a social stigma. "Hey, Ralph has got a radio collar. Do you really want to mate with him while some human listens in?" Or Tawanda has a stainless steel band, she has to fly at the back of the flock.

Wearing a band, tag or collar is not natural and others of the same species will notice. Animals are not as "blind" to differences as us humans. Arf!
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
For all animals, whether it is a tag, band or radio collar, I believe it becomes a social stigma. "Hey, Ralph has got a radio collar. Do you really want to mate with him while some human listens in?" Or Tawanda has a stainless steel band, she has to fly at the back of the flock.

Wearing a band, tag or collar is not natural and others of the same species will notice. Animals are not as "blind" to differences as us humans. Arf!



Funny :p but good points all the same :D
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
For all animals, whether it is a tag, band or radio collar, I believe it becomes a social stigma. "Hey, Ralph has got a radio collar. Do you really want to mate with him while some human listens in?" Or Tawanda has a stainless steel band, she has to fly at the back of the flock.

Wearing a band, tag or collar is not natural and others of the same species will notice. Animals are not as "blind" to differences as us humans. Arf!


They band ducks and geese all the time. It does not seem to make a difference. They use large plastic neck collars on geese as well. They do ok. They have some really neat GPS systems they tag waterfowl with.

What we REALLY need is a "tag" that would cut down the rate of teen age pregnancies!!
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I have read summaries of studies involving the Minnesota timber wolf population. No, not the basketball team. Real timber wolves, canis lupus. Much of the data collected came from wolves wearing radio collars.

Wolves are pack dwelling animals that have a social hierarchy. What if one day Rocky, the alpha male, shows up wearing a radio collar. The other wolves could perceive this as a weakness. Rocky got tranquilized, poked, prodded and collared. What a wus! Now Rocky is considered the pack geek and is shunned until another wolf needs his computer fixed. Rocky is the last to eat after a group kill and never gets his fill. He eventually loses weight, gets sickly and dies.

Same pack but instead of Rocky getting tranqed it is Hubert that is the victim. Hubert's social status falls somewhere in the middle of the pack's hierarchy. He's not the strongest, but he is clever. After his encounter with the human scientists Hubert returns to the pack wearing a radio collar, beret and spouting French phrases. He claims to be Loup Garou, the reincarnated grand daddy of all werewolves. The pack falls for this line of crap and Rocky relinquishes the title of alpha male to the beret wearing Hubert.

If the Samer Theory http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/general-expediter-forum/20398-samer-theory.html holds true then Hubert's brain is slowly being cooked by radio waves from the collar. Hubert is going stark raving mad and the pack is following his lead.

Even humans are being tagged and tracked; either by other humans or alien scientists. The other night at a delivery in Dubuque, the kid who signed my b.o.l. had a bar code tattooed on his neck. Someone or something is tracking his migration and mating habits.

The point of this post, if there is a point, could be that the very introduction of humans into an animal study flaws and skews the data.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
I have read summaries of studies involving the Minnesota timber wolf population. No, not the basketball team. Real timber wolves, canis lupus. Much of the data collected came from wolves wearing radio collars.

Wolves are pack dwelling animals that have a social hierarchy. What if one day Rocky, the alpha male, shows up wearing a radio collar. The other wolves could perceive this as a weakness. Rocky got tranquilized, poked, prodded and collared. What a wus! Now Rocky is considered the pack geek and is shunned until another wolf needs his computer fixed. Rocky is the last to eat after a group kill and never gets his fill. He eventually loses weight, gets sickly and dies.

Same pack but instead of Rocky getting tranqed it is Hubert that is the victim. Hubert's social status falls somewhere in the middle of the pack's hierarchy. He's not the strongest, but he is clever. After his encounter with the human scientists Hubert returns to the pack wearing a radio collar, beret and spouting French phrases. He claims to be Loup Garou, the reincarnated grand daddy of all werewolves. The pack falls for this line of crap and Rocky relinquishes the title of alpha male to the beret wearing Hubert.

If the Samer Theory http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/general-expediter-forum/20398-samer-theory.html holds true then Hubert's brain is slowly being cooked by radio waves from the collar. Hubert is going stark raving mad and the pack is following his lead.

Even humans are being tagged and tracked; either by other humans or alien scientists. The other night at a delivery in Dubuque, the kid who signed my b.o.l. had a bar code tattooed on his neck. Someone or something is tracking his migration and mating habits.

The point of this post, if there is a point, could be that the very introduction of humans into an animal study flaws and skews the data.



Too funny, but again great post :D

One thing though .......

HUBERT!! :p:p
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Guardian Jan 12

Survival rates for king penguins with flipper bands dropped by 16% and the birds produced 39% fewer chicks

Tagging the flippers of penguins for long-term scientific studies significantly limits their chances of survival and ability to raise chicks, according to a decade-long study in the Antarctic.


The researchers found that the survival rates for king penguins with flipper bands dropped by 16% and the birds produced 39% fewer chicks. The finding raises serious questions about the ethics of banding penguins for research and casts doubt on years of data produced by tagging the birds in this way.


Flipper banding, a technique that involves placing a band usually made of stainless steel under penguins' flippers to identify them, is used by some researchers to identify them and gather long-term information about their behaviour and ecology.


The latest available figures, from a study published in 2000, show that between 1988 and 1996, 36,000 penguins were flipper banded by scientists.


The study, published today by French researchers in Nature, followed 100 penguins over 10 years, half of them with the bands and half without.


"At the end of the study we had much higher numbers of non-banded than banded birds," said Claire Saraux, at the University of Strasbourg who co-authored the study.



Bands also heavily impacted the birds' breeding success. "Banded birds would arrive later at the colony to breed and so they would begin breeding later. Our idea is because of the drag effect, they spend more time at sea and it takes them longer to swim back to the colony, so they are at a disadvantage," said Saraux.


The drag effect of the bands means the penguins swim slower and expend more energy than they otherwise would. In 1994, Prof Rory Wilson of Swansea University conducted a study which found that penguins with flipper bands used 24% more energy to swim.


The authors of the report say that while tracking penguins is essential to understanding changes in their population and the effects of various factors including rises in sea temperatures, flipper banding is problematic because it may distort the results.


"As we show in our paper there is a drop in breeding success and it is known in sea birds that when this fails it induces immigration to other colonies so then there is a problem if you use flipper banding to study immigration. It will skew the numbers," said Yvon Le Maho, the report's lead author.


To track the non-banded birds in their study, Le Maho and Saraux used tiny electronic chips with radio transmissions. Le Maho says this is a possible alternative to flipper bands but that it presents other challenges.


"The only difficulty is that once a bird is only with an electronic tag you need an antenna for identification – so to study immigration you need antennas in different colonies – you cannot do it simply by observation as you do with flipper bands but again [flipper bands] skew the data," he said.


Wilson, who has been studying penguins for three decades, said: "The big question is does what you get from the study justify the cost – and the costs are increased mortality without a shadow of a doubt and decreased reproductive success."


"It is going to be very difficult as a scientist to come back and defend flipper banding and the hope is that if people don't stop flipper banding they're at least cognisant of what it implicates," he said.


Wilson says although the practice has been in decline in recent years, there is no comprehensive ban or policy against it internationally[/QUOTE

Well,,now,,,ugh,,,all I can say is ,,I would want my flipper banded,,,o my.:rolleyes:
 

Moot

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Bear as in Gentle Ben.

Collie as in Lassie.

Gerry Mathers as in the Beaver. Or should that read Beaver as in Jerry Mathers?

Bestest way that I can feelo as in out on the highway rollin' a wheelo.
 
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