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wellarmed

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I hope you don't mind if I ask a question. Isn't a biased opinion an educated opinion? And a nonbias opinion an uneducated opinion? And wouldn't that make all of your opinions bias. You would have to go to the middle of a jungle somewhere and present the two sides and get the answer and then you would have a nonbias opinion, because all that native has on his mind is wether or not to cook you in coconut oil or just roast you over an open fire or serve you up like sushi.:rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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No really. I can look at raw data and just read it. It get's biased when someone tells me what it means.
 

Turtle

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I hope you don't mind if I ask a question. Isn't a biased opinion an educated opinion? And a nonbias opinion an uneducated opinion? And wouldn't that make all of your opinions bias.
Not at all. Bias doesn't define educated or uneducated, it defines a tendency or preference towards a particular ideology or perspective. The term is used to describe a conclusion, an action or judgment that is influenced by a pre-judged perspective. Bias is inherently unjust, because it favors one side or another, educated or not.

There are many types of bias, including:

Media: where real or perceived bias of journalists and news outlets in the mass media shows up in the selection of which events will be reported and how they are covered. The Obama/McCain bias during the presidential campaign was a particularly blatant example of this.

Cultural: interpreting and judging phenomena in terms particular to one's own culture. One culture cuts off your hands, another culture slaps your wrist, for committing the same crime.

Linguistic: favoring certain languages (see Quebec, French. Also see, Tejas, Spanish)

Ethnic, Nationalistic, Racial and Regional: Where events and judgments are slanted to benefit a particular ethnic or regional group of people. (See Canada, speed limiters)

Sociological: a bias in favor of a society's ideals. Bias for groups needs/wants over that of the individual (See Guns, Duck).

Personal: bias for personal gain (See Load Offer, Refused).

Gender: Such as sexism, where things are skewed to favor one sex or another (See Ballpark, restrooms. Also see Workplace, pay scales.)

Political: in favor of, or against, a particular political party, philosophy, policy or candidate.

Religious: bias for or against religion, faith or beliefs. (See Gay Marriage, Gay Agenda).

Sensationalist: favoring the exceptional over the ordinary. This includes emphasizing, distorting, or fabricating exceptional news to boost commercial ratings. (Where everything, including stuff that happened yesterday, is BREAKING NEWS. CNN and The Weather Channel are particularly guilty of this.)

Scientific: where a particular scientist or prevalent scientific opinion or theory is favored for non-scientific reasons rather than with a scientific neutrality (See Global Warming, Climate Change).


A cognitive bias is a person's tendency to make errors in judgment based on cognitive (the thought process) factors. It is studied in cognitive science and social psychology and falls under the blanket of human nature. Forms of cognitive bias include errors in statistical judgment and memory that are common to all people. Such biases drastically skew the reliability of anecdotal and legal evidence. These are based upon heuristics, or rules of thumb (mental shortcuts to the answers), which people use mainly out of habit.

One of the most common types of bias, and one that is quite prevent here on EO is the confirmation bias, which is the tendency to interpret new information in such a way that confirms one's prior beliefs, even to the extreme of actual denial in ignoring information that conflicts with one's prior beliefs.

Most biases affect decision-making where the desirability of the options has to be considered (see the "Sunk Costs" fallacy, one that Phil, for example, is likely to be familiar with). Others affect judgment, like the Illusory Corollary, which affects the judgment of how likely something is, or whether one thing has anything to do with another.

Someone might be able to recognize the more common and most studied biases in the following list. Like, for example, someone who spent most of their adult life working in the paranoid industry of all things "spooks" might have a particular skewed bias based on some of the following:

Anchoring on a past reference.

Framing by using a too narrow approach and description of the situation or issue.

Hindsight Bias, "I-knew-it-all-along" effect, is the inclination to see past events as being predictable. See, I told you so! (even if you didn't)

Fundamental Attribution Error
is the tendency for people to over-emphasize personality-based explanations for behaviors observed in others while under-emphasizing the role and power of situational influences on the same behavior. This is an error that gets compounded when Political Bias is introduced into the equation.

Conformation Bias is the tendency to search for or interpret information and events in such a way that confirms one's preconceptions.

Self-serving Bias is the tendency to claim more responsibility for successes than failures. It may also manifest itself as a tendency for people to evaluate ambiguous information in a way beneficial to their interests.


So education is far from the sole criteria for bias. Indeed, education itself is often biased, in that what interests a person is what gets studied the most, to the exclusion of things of no interest, and that in itself will skew the education.
 

LDB

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As usual, Turtle has employed his significant patience to craft an excellent response. My basic response is no, bias doesn't equal education. I was going to say bias = prejudice but dictionary.com says it for me.

bias -noun 2. a particular tendency or inclination, esp. one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice.
 

chefdennis

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doug if you would, please do a little research for me, maybe you and factchek can find it , i seem to be missing in looking on my end..so if you could provide the data on a "lower" court" reversing a "Higher Courts" decisions.....i can't seem to find it...or maybe i should be looking for cases that have been "APPEALED" to a "LOWER" court....hmmmm yea maybe thats it...i guess i am wrong when i thought if you were going to question a courts opinion, you would go to a higher court...

As has been said, no one thinks everyone of her cases has been reviewed, of those that have been, 5 of them, 3 of them have been over turned or reversed, anyway you cut it, its 60%.

And lawyers debate laws, the justices look at the Constitutionality of the law and how it is being appalied, well i should say that is their job, but as we all know, activist judges are writing law from the bench and thats not their job...so this judge will fit right in...


By the way, if any of you want to read a good book on our highest court and how it is taking our country down , pickup Mark Levins "Men In Black".....very interesting read.....you'd enjoy it doug, it shows the liberals at work, in one chapter Mark shows how the liberals are using Foreign Law to make decisions and not our Constitution as they are suppose to...

Oh and one other thing, my opinions are biased, you bet they are, conservative, right leaning, educated, uneducated, bigoted, racial and anything else that fits at the time they come from my point of view at the time, but as i have said, my opinions don't mean a thing in these situations...they are simply my opinions......
 
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tallcal101

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Layout,it's called multi tasking.I did delivery my children in a log cabin in Skylonda CA. They are named Ode and Autumn.I could not get birth certificates for a few years as home birthing was against the law at the time. My daughter is an open space lobbiest in California and has co authored several pieces of legislation that actually benefit bird and deer hunters in CA.
My son is a wild life biologist and is assists in protecting water foul along the Pacific fly way. His speciality are migratory bird spieces and the various contaminates that effect their ability reproduce in healthy numbers.He showed me how to draw blood from young birds without injurering them this winter.

I returned my draft card in 1967 and wrote a letter proposing I do work within the system to help end the war. I was arrested after refusing to turn myself over to the army after my last physical. I refused to get on the bus to Ft Ord.
I did time at a minimum security facility next to a federal lock up and was housed in a dormitry type setting with tax evaders for 12 months.I worked in the library and pushed a book cart in the lock up section. I was declared not fit for military service at the end of my sentence and my FBI record was later expunged. and my name cleared.

I have charted my own course my entire life and have worked and paid taxes in both the corporate world and my own business's.I spent 13 years in the entertainment businss as a night club owner,a production assistant, lighting director and a tour manager. I owned a fleet of expediter trucks for 6 years and have traveled the world as a relocation specialist consulting with multi nationals.Layout dude,you can marginalize my life, call me a dirty stinking lier if you please,but I have lived a life, up till this point, that has been profundly rewarding in many ways that you would not be able to understand.I'm quite sure of that as you are a talker (I seriously doubt your credentials as a intell guy as you talk too much) and you make very general ,sweeping statements that tend to show a pattern of emotional immaturity that lacks focus and are supported by personal inuendo and bitterness against a system that has been pretty good to you.
Rock on dude.
 

wellarmed

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As usual Turtle gives way more info than necessary rather than using common sense to understand what I was saying. All of his opinions are bias based on the fact that he is a follower and doesn't really take the time to form his own opinion or at least reflect it here on EO for fear he will not be accepted by a certain group.
 
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DougTravels

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As far as Sotomayor being the right person for the job, I really don't know. I haven't done any real research on her, because what we think about her won't make any difference.

It figures the "Limbaugh" types would go after any nominee Obama puts up, so she must not be too bad.

If the best they can come up with is an out of context remark and inflating %'s to make her look bad she must be pretty solid.

As to what Cal said, he makes some very valid observations, which by the way had me laughing pretty hard. It would seem that someone who came from the world of espionage, spying, intel reports, dastardly missions and such, would retire to a quiet life and not boast about it daily on an internet chat site. This same person constantly bashes most every politician with crude names and such, then warmly embraces Dick Cheney as a noble man. Dick Cheney??? isn't he the guy that took a 30 million dollar bonus from Haliburton then when into the vice presidency and was part of decisions to go to wars that would make haliburton billions by awarding no-bid contracts. My source on that is a comedian (Louis Black), I hope it is factual.

And finally to the Chef, we agree on most of the facts now. My point was a very simple one which seems to get drowned out in responses. My point was and still is that your blanket statment that Statomayor has had over 60% of her decisions overturned was misleading to say the least. Had you said "reviewed" cases it would have been almost truthfull. Whether you omitted "reviewed" and added "over" or simply restated what you read, the fact remains that that statment is untrue and misleading to the reader.
 

LDB

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The best I came up with was an in context speech I listened to the recording of and accurate numbers. What is that, the 30 gallon koolaid you're toting around?
 

DougTravels

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It doesn't matter Leo, she will be confirmed. Just strike it up as another loss for the GOP and another win for The Good Guys.

The Grand Old Party- more old than grand nowdays.:D
 

greg334

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Just strike it up as another loss for the GOP and another win for The Good Guys.

Doug, I don't mean to be an a** but what was that you just said?

There is no LOSS OMG, it is the balance which is the same as there was before but because you may not know how the court works, here is a little secret - if a republican gets into office at that white place and the congress shifts towards the right, they they have to do is add two more justices to the court and there goes any opposition that the dems could ever have. Don't forget they can impeace a judge for a lot of reasons too.....

The funny thing is Obama will replace ginsberg next, which is also another replacement.
 

Turtle

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As usual Turtle gives way more info than necessary rather than using common sense to understand what I was saying.
Would you rather have to much information, or too little?

In any case, you equated bias solely with education, and used a jungle native uneducated at the question at hand, but who was highly biased in favor of eating the questioner to do so.

All of his opinions are bias based on the fact that he is a follower and doesn't really take the time to form his own opinion or at least reflect it here on EO for fear he will not be accepted by a certain group.
Even though you referenced me in the first sentence of the paragraph, thereby connecting me with the rest of the comments in the paragraph, I can only hope, and assume, that by "his" and "he" you are referring to someone other than me. :cool:


You don't like me much, do you? :D
 
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