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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
It is a result of the dumbed down education that is one of the main culprets Greg. Add to that most people are just too plain lazy to learn anything about government on thier own. Shoot, most people believe our government is a democracy, not a republic and if they have a vague idea that we are a republic they have no idea in the world what that means. They also have no idea what the difference is between the two. Expecting them to understand the seperation powers and where the real power resides. Layoutshooter
 

OntarioVanMan

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Teachers Unions...are they typically Democrats? What else would they teach? There is no partiality...the kids are learning the Democrat bend to things...
 

layoutshooter

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You got that right OVM. It was a constant battle with the schools when my kids were at that age. What bull they were taught and some teacher had the audacity to tell my kids that the morals my wife and I were teaching were outdated and wrong!! Un-Real!!! I once was forced to remind the school district superintendand that he was my employee, and that it was in his best interest to remember just who he worked for and who payed his wages. Can you believe that he got upset of that? LOL. Layoutshooter
 

OntarioVanMan

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Every conservative...No every American should inspect the teaching criteria...and demand it is impartial.....that both sides of the coin are fairly represented....
 

greg334

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Letzrock,
I wouldn't say that, it happens a lot. My sister used to teach, she went back to it last year and got fed up with the BS she had to tell the kids, the last straw was the global warming propganda that an administrator forced on the kids which she knew is BS, it was so far removed from a realistic findings of even the UN.
 

layoutshooter

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REALLY Rocket? Ask Mrs. Layoutshooter. That kind of stuff has been going on in the schools for YEARS. Remember, my YOUNGEST is 31 and it was going on then. I had teachers teaching that the Constitution was written to spell out the "Rights" of the govenment. That the amendments in the Bill of Rights were only meant for those days and no longer applied. I had teachers tell my kids that abstinace was silly, did not work and only condoms did the job. Now That was a direct contridiction to what I taught my kids and NO ONE, let alone my employee has any business teaching that to my kids. Period. Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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Every conservative...No every American should inspect the teaching criteria...and demand it is impartial.....that both sides of the coin are fairly represented....

The people do not have the right to demand anything, they have ZERO control over their school system thanks to an inept government. The union is in control, no one else.

I am a "product" of public schools, I do not want this form of child abuse to continue but there is no stopping it.

Support the teachers union, keep abusing Children.
 

layoutshooter

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We have lost control over every government function. They just "stick in our ear" and we just smile and say "yes sir yes sir, three bags full" and vote them in again. Then when we do, and they screw up and us just as the last bunch did we are told to "give them a chance". Bull Feathers, vote the scum out, ALL OF THEM!!! layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Let's see, my one son was told that the 2nd Amendment does not give us the right to keep and bare arms that the 2nd Amendment is was what allowed the government to rasie an army. I here this repeated often my anti-gun people. The Bill of rights was written for one purpose, to insure the RIGHTS of the People. You see the results of this kind of teaching, which started way back in the '60's in this forum every day. Soo very few have a clue and fall for the clap trap every day. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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I would have liked to do that but I was one of those very high paid government employees and could barely afford to provide the basics in those days. It still kind of amazes me just how much responsibility we had and just how little we were paid AND we had to pay for health care, contrary to what many in here spout off about. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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Number one, you would be VERY surprised what my son's were taught and exposed to while growing up. Both of my son's thank me often for teaching them to think for themselfs and NOT dictating do them. Number two, they were taught certain things that ALL children should be taught, like self-sufficenccy, responsibility, common curtisy, respect for thier elders, and a work ethic.

I guess I don't understand what, Shall not be infringed means.

The purpose of the the Second Amendment was to insure that the People retain the power, NOT, the government.

I protect that Right, mine will NEVER be infringed upon. The Federal Government has grossly overstepped thier bounds. Like the curtailment of my 5th Amendment right to the belief that I am innocent until proven guilty. Like the implied guilt that requires a back round check to buy a gun, which is my RIGHT as well. Or the implied guilt that requires a DOT random drug text, there is NO resonable cause, just implied guilt. Wake up, they are killing ALL of our RIGHTS. The Bill of Rights is a joke to them. Layoutshooter
 

DougTravels

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Let's see, my one son was told that the 2nd Amendment does not give us the right to keep and bare arms that the 2nd Amendment is was what allowed the government to rasie an army. I here this repeated often my anti-gun people. The Bill of rights was written for one purpose, to insure the RIGHTS of the People. You see the results of this kind of teaching, which started way back in the '60's in this forum every day. Soo very few have a clue and fall for the clap trap every day. Layoutshooter

Does the 2nd amendment have something to do with short sleeves?
:rolleyes:
 

Tennesseahawk

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There are many more, but in nearly all commentary on second amendment issues, he equated the right to bear arms with national security issues.

He also said several quotes about the citizenry being able to overthrow a tyrannical government. He believed there should be a revolution every 20 years, as a way to 'clean house'.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

"Every generation needs a new revolution."

Thought I'd throw this in for good measure - "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

Proof the Dems don't want a happy country - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
 

DougTravels

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He also said several quotes about the citizenry being able to overthrow a tyrannical government. He believed there should be a revolution every 20 years, as a way to 'clean house'.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

"Every generation needs a new revolution."

The problem I see with ideas like these is that they are taken to heart by Timothy McVeigh types. :(
 

OntarioVanMan

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The problem I see with ideas like these is that they are taken to heart by Timothy McVeigh types. :(


Maybe McVeigh did the abhorrant thing and did what EVERY American should be doing.......spilling blood and revolting?

As much as the very thought of going to war with your own country is appalling to most in these times....
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Over the last 60 years or so our government has been usurping almost every right we have and we, as a people, have been allowing this to happen. It has to be stopped soon. I would much prefere to see that done at the ballot box, I fear that it will not happen there. Many who post in here are not only content to accept this control over thier lives but actively vote to isure this control over them selfs and others. The idea that some are willing to give up freedom is mind numbing.

The same people who are shocked by McVieghs actions have no problem what so ever if our Government guns down an un-armed women at Ruby Ridge or when thousands of homes of US citizens are searched, without benefit of a warrent, for so-called illegal firearms during the Clinton years.

I do have a RIGHT to Keep and Bare Arms, ANY firearm is choose to own. They are just tools, nothing more. Just objects. They cannot hurt anyone or anything on thier own, just like a hammer. The RIGHT to own arms is just like any other right, it is there for a very real reason, that is as valid today as the day the Bill of Rights was written, and it comes with very REAL responsibilites.

That right is there for the following reasons. Defense of the Nation, defense of family and propertey AND as the final, and most powerful, check and balance to insure that We the People can control our Government. All those reasons are as valid today as any other time in history.

I, as an individual who chooses to exercise my Constitutional Rights have a responsibility to use that right in a legal mannor. Where I choose to carry a loaded firearm is frankly no persons nor governments legal business. I have the right to carry. I have no right to murder, rob, threaten etc. I DO have the RIGHT to defend myself from mugging, murder and robbery. When a person or government stops me from protecting myself from those things, THEY assume that responsibility. They have proven that they are NOT able to insure my safety from ANY of the following: murder, robbery, mugging and attacks from forgien powers. I choose not to ceed my RIGHT to defend my family and self from these dangers and no man nor government has the legal authority to take that from me, and I won't allow it.

Finally, as we see many of our other rights being curtailed it may soon come time, unless we stop the government at the ballot box as we are susposed to do, be forced to fight again to retain our liberty. If that offends you than maybe you had better learn history a bit better. This Nation was founded by revolution and it's freedoms defended with the blood of many. Our freedom and liberty are under threats today like we have not seen in years, both internal and external. We have the RIGHT to live free. Remember Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Those are the very things that are at great risk today.

Our government is now under the impression that they are in charge and we are subject to thier rule.This very idea is contrary to our way of life and Constitution. WE, the People, are susposed to control and rule the government. I, for one, am not willing to give up that control, are you?

Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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OVM,
Jefferson was speaking of a different time when we didn't have a near dictatorship in government. If we have what is considered a hard revolution, we will be on the losing end - all of us. It shows right now with the DHS and the lackluster leader of that department. It was setup to fight terrorism but has branched out into a lot of other things in a short time. The FBI is another group which is going into foreign affiars, something that it was not supposed to do.

If you want to know what I am saying, go read about Wilson and his efforts to stamp out dissent and his opposition during his first term, he was a tyrant but we the people didn't quite get it until he was out of office and (don't laugh) the republicans gave back a lot of our freedoms.
 
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