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[layoutshooter]

I can agree the feds should not over step their boundaries. However the feds are already involved with the retirees of the country. In being involved from that angle this is a small step towards change where the feds have figured that things should be better by making insurance mandatory. Should they have done it through the states instead? Who can make a law like this which affects the entire country? This may not be the way to go about it but it is the way they have chosen and quite possibly one of the court challenges will make a change, but until such happens we have to see what develops.

You already buy this product or a form of it by your own choice as it is really something you need to have. Yes the prudent person will have this coverage by choice or by working where it is available and some even go and get more coverage, but that is becoming more expensive every year and for some companies it is becoming a problem to keep a decent health benefit in place.

The government will pass laws we don't like and whether or not within their area of jurisdiction and the people will object and oppose and fight such laws but unfortunately some form of change is coming to a lot of areas where we shall see more boundary breaking. The immigration question in southern states is an example and more to come.

I certainly agree being forced is not my first option nor my second but as time goes on the affordability of health care is being reduced. What does the future hold not only for those not insured but for those whose rates are increasing way beyond wages ability to keep up with a growing living expense level?

How many private citizens should the American government kill to make sure that health insurance is force on us? As many as other leftist governments in the world have? Like Russia? Is one OK? Ten? Maybe 30 MILLION??? They will use force, even deadly force. It IS the way of the extreme left or right. Always has been, always will. It is a matter of numbers.

By the way, correct me if I am wrong. Canada does not have federal health insurance. Yours is a province by province basis since your constitution does not allow for a "national" system.

Please tell me which article in the US Constitution allows for a national health system OR the use of force to insure Americans.

 

[layoutshooter]

Actually it was a good movie because it brought up a few issues about the truth in the WH, primarily the arrogance of the staff or maybe you missed that part. If you go into it with a slant on it being liberal, you will see the things you want to see but it does make a good statement about the WH.

By the way, think about this for a moment, if we had a president who took seriously jobs and the budget, then would we have these problems with the idiots we have had in the past?

I have the DVD and have seen it MANY times. It is a so-so romantic comedy with a political twist. They push socialist ideas through out the movie as per normal for Hollywood.

"TOMORROW TOMORROW"!!

 

[greg334]

OK I guess, I do like it, and I am not a liberal-conservative person.

 

[layoutshooter]

OK I guess, I do like it, and I am not a liberal-conservative person.

I guess you can like it if you want too. It's not bad, decent relief from reality for a bit. Nothing more. I kinda prefer "My Fellow American's" even though it tends to be a bit left wings as well. I LOVE the "Dikes on Bikes" scene.

 

[FIS53]

Correct there is no federal mandate as a national health care system but they do fund a lot of it in all the provinces. Hence every province has a form of state health care co-funded by the feds and the provinces. So an idea for the US to look at.

While the laws do not really allow the feds to do this they have none the less done so. Now we wait for the courts to decide (which should be a no brainer). But governments have always at one time or another gone beyond their mandated areas of regulation.

Now back to the question of do any of the candidates have the will or desire to change things not only in the case of Obama care but the whole host of problems facing the country. I haven't heard one that wants to increase American mfg to the point of taking back such from overseas and making the US a net exporter rather than a net importer. Just think if this happened lower unemployment and governments would reap a nice tax income and reduced payouts. They would still have to cut government waste but that is hard to do with the system that's currently in place.
Rob

 

[layoutshooter]

Government cannot increase jobs, they can only impede their creation. Our problems with jobs are BECAUSE of government interference. They could do far more by just going away. Do the job they are allowed under our Constitution and get OUR OF OUR LIVES for the most part.

 

[RLENT]

Boobala,

Cute.

Of all the candidates is there even one among them that will stop this kind of wastefull spending of tax payer dollars???????

Whether the spending of taxpayer dollars is wasteful is, of course, in the eye of each individual taxpayer. Just because you say something is wasteful doesn't make it so ... for others ....

I might consider certain funding certain things utterly retarded, and you might consider them vital. Different strokes for different folks.

As a congressional representative, the way to act to stop wasteful spending is to do the duties of the job one was elected to do - which is to vote against bills appropriating the funds for wasteful spending .....

There is only one candidate in the field that has an exemplary and proven record of routinely voting against wasteful and unconstitutional spending. There's a reason why he is referred to as "Dr. No".

Your implied premise is some what analogous to a commenter at the site below, who notes the following about the question posed to Dr. Paul on earmarks:

"It is sort of like saying "I am shocked that I caught you filling out your income tax form, I thought that you opposed income tax."

Ron Paul on Earmarks

Nice try tho' .....

 

[LDB]

If the Canadian system were all that great we'd be seeing Americans trying to go there for healthcare instead of the many many Canadians coming to America because they can't get decent healthcare under a government healthcare system. It doesn't work in Britain or anywhere else either. It's foolishness but then it's named for a fool so it fits.

 

[tbubster]

I have said befor IMHO when one has his hand out while putting earmarks in a bill then they are just as bad as the guy voteing yes.I know I know the money is gonna be spent anyway.Well if none of them are allowed to put earmarks in bills this year then all that money is left over at the end of the year.Then next year when its time to work out the budget guess what.They see that they dont need as big a budget as they thought.So when it comes time to borrow from china they dont need as much.So that money that is going to be spent anyway, in fact does not get spent because there would have been no need to put it in the budget in the first place.

As far as DR NO GOES he has said more then once he puts the earmarks in then votes no because he knows they will pass anyway.He knows he is going to get the money he wants so he can vote no and look like the smart guy in the crowd.Yet by his own words his no votes dont matter anyway.So I find it funny that so many people put so much stock in those no votes.His no votes do not mean the same to me as they do you.And thats ok.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

If the Canadian system were all that great we'd be seeing Americans trying to go there for healthcare instead of the many many Canadians coming to America because they can't get decent healthcare under a government healthcare system. It doesn't work in Britain or anywhere else either. It's foolishness but then it's named for a fool so it fits.

You're wrong. Spain has the greatest healthcare in the world! And it's socialized!

HAHA! They're BROKE!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I have said befor IMHO when one has his hand out while putting earmarks in a bill then they are just as bad as the guy voteing yes.I know I know the money is gonna be spent anyway.Well if none of them are allowed to put earmarks in bills this year then all that money is left over at the end of the year.Then next year when its time to work out the budget guess what.They see that they dont need as big a budget as they thought.So when it comes time to borrow from china they dont need as much.So that money that is going to be spent anyway, in fact does not get spent because there would have been no need to put it in the budget in the first place.

As far as DR NO GOES he has said more then once he puts the earmarks in then votes no because he knows they will pass anyway.He knows he is going to get the money he wants so he can vote no and look like the smart guy in the crowd.Yet by his own words his no votes dont matter anyway.So I find it funny that so many people put so much stock in those no votes.His no votes do not mean the same to me as they do you.And thats ok.

I agree with what you're saying, to a point. It may seem hypocritical for Ron Paul to put in earmarks he doesn't vote for. I'm sure he would gladly trade that for NO earmarks for ANYONE. But I look at it this way. He's still a member of Congress. Congressmen get reelected, for the most part, for bringing home the bacon. I'm sure the Democrats would love to be able to put a candidate up there who would say, "Ron Paul hasn't done a thing for Victoria!" Instead, they call him Dr No... which is a compliment.

Yep... I like him.

 

[Camper]

Of all the candidates is there even one among them that will stop this kind of wastefull spending of tax payer dollars???????

$1.96 million to replace buses in and around Victoria

$25,000 to install security cameras at Fox Run Apartments in Victoria

$10 million for Boston, Mass., “Reach Out and Read” national center

$26 million for Washington, D.C. “Reading is Fundamental” program


$8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp

$2.5 million requested “to redevelop historic downtown area and to purchase trash cans, bike racks and decorative street lighting

So with spending like this every year that turns into billions a year wasted.So again is there even one of the candidates that will even try and put a stop to this???

The only two that come close to earning my trust with the purse strings are Ron Paul and Herman Cain. The rest of them are closet Beltway liberals.

Also, if the final choice comes down to Obama or a Neocon, I'm going to have to hold my nose and go for Obama. Obama might be for domestic welfare but at least he's not for International welfare like the neocons are.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

The only two that come close to earning my trust with the purse strings are Ron Paul and Herman Cain. The rest of them are closet Beltway liberals.

Also, if the final choice comes down to Obama or a Neocon, I'm going to have to hold my nose and go for Obama. Obama might be for domestic welfare but at least he's not for International welfare like the neocons are.

I can't stand cancer, so I'm going to vote for AIDS. Good choice, buddy.

 

[tbubster]

The only two that come close to earning my trust with the purse strings are Ron Paul and Herman Cain. The rest of them are closet Beltway liberals.

Also, if the final choice comes down to Obama or a Neocon, I'm going to have to hold my nose and go for Obama. Obama might be for domestic welfare but at least he's not for International welfare like the neocons are.

Really?Obama is not spending billions helping other countrys??????

Obama to announce new foreign-aid policy

Obama's Foreign Aid Price Tag to Exceed $50 Billion

President Obama, On Foreign Aid: U.S. Must Be 'Big-Hearted And Hard-Headed' : The Two-Way : NPR

Nation & World | Obama faces obstacles in aid to Arab nations | Seattle Times Newspaper

These are just a few examples but you get the idea.Seems he has no problems borrowing money from china to give it to other countrys.

 

[Camper]

Really?Obama is not spending billions helping other countrys??????

Obama to announce new foreign-aid policy

Obama's Foreign Aid Price Tag to Exceed $50 Billion

President Obama, On Foreign Aid: U.S. Must Be 'Big-Hearted And Hard-Headed' : The Two-Way : NPR

Nation & World | Obama faces obstacles in aid to Arab nations | Seattle Times Newspaper

These are just a few examples but you get the idea.Seems he has no problems borrowing money from china to give it to other countrys.

I hear what you're saying. However, the Republicans have been every bit as bad with a few notable exceptions. Believe me, I don't want him getting 4 more years any more than you do but if the alternative is more of the same for 8 more years, as opposed to 4, I'd rather hold my nose for 4.

 

[Camper]

I can't stand cancer, so I'm going to vote for AIDS. Good choice, buddy.

My point, exactly, both choices are terminal.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

My point, exactly, both choices are terminal.

But you admit that you're willing to vote for the disease, and not the cure.

 

[layoutshooter]

"Also, if the final choice comes down to Obama or a Neocon, I'm going to have to hold my nose and go for Obama. Obama might be for domestic welfare but at least he's not for International welfare like the neocons are."


Really? What about Libya? Keep in mind, EVERY mess we are involved in now started when a "neo-lib" was in office. Going all the way back to Truman.

 

[Camper]

But you admit that you're willing to vote for the disease, and not the cure.

What cure? Explain to me how Romney or Perry(the two GOP front runners) are any different from Obama, fiscally speaking.


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[Camper]

"Also, if the final choice comes down to Obama or a Neocon, I'm going to have to hold my nose and go for Obama. Obama might be for domestic welfare but at least he's not for International welfare like the neocons are."


Really? What about Libya? Keep in mind, EVERY mess we are involved in now started when a "neo-lib" was in office. Going all the way back to Truman.

Joe,

You're proving my point about how both parties are one in the same. I agree with you about Libya, although it's small potatoes compared to the war on two fronts Bush initiated.





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