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RLENT said:
Incorrect.

First off, you can't compare year to year figures - Administrations don't start on the first of the year. Inaguration Day is on the 20th of January.

So don't even try to go there.



Clearly, you don't got it.

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Were there any major shortages of vaccines available for people to take while Biden was in office ?

The answer is initially vaccines were in short supply and their allocation was prioritized to at-risk individuals.

Not much Biden could have done to ramp up production beyond what he did as near as I can tell.

And he had the vaccine shortage problem pretty well handled within 5 or 6 months of taking office.

That's Warp Speed baby !

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The vaccines arrived at least several months earlier than critics said.
Trump didn’t have the vaccines for most of the of the remaining of his Presidency, Biden did. He also had the monoclonals that were for month’s underutilized due to a irresponsible tunnel vision with vaccines.
 
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It was an audio clip.
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Ok.

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So it seems you are mistaken.
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Nope - I was referring to a different clip (video) from around the same time period and the comments were similar.

As I stated before, I suspected that you mischaracterized his comments - and that suspicion on my part turned out to be correct (based on the clip you provided)

He was asked by Catsimatidis whether people (in the US) should be scared and Fauci replied that they shouldn't be worried or frightened (by a virus which was largely, at that point, over in China) ... and in the next breath states that public health officials need to take it very, very seriously.

So it's pretty clear he has serious concerns.

Seems like a responsible statement on the part of a public health official to me ... which was probably based on the limited information that was known at that time.
 
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Regarding the travel ban:
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Peter Navarro is largely a gadfly crank "economist", well outside the mainstream in his chosen profession and isn't a credible source.

He's the cheerleader that brought Donnie the "bright idea" of tariffs ... that have helped to fuel inflation.

In addition to all that, he probably has his own personal motivations for wanting to deflect, given his own potential criminal exposure.

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RLENT said:
Ok.



Nope - I was referring to a different clip (video) from around the same time period and the comments were similar.

As I stated before, I suspected that you mischaracterized his comments - and that suspicion on my part turned out to be correct (based on the clip you provided)

He was asked by Catsimatidis whether people (in the US) should be scared and Fauci replied that they shouldn't be worried or frightened (by a virus which was largely, at that point, over in China) ... and in the next breath states that public health officials need to take it very, very seriously.

So it's pretty clear he has serious concerns.

Seems like a responsible statement on the part of a public health official to me ... which was probably based on the limited information that was known at that time.
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RLENT said:
Ok.



Nope - I was referring to a different clip (video) from around the same time period and the comments were similar.

As I stated before, I suspected that you mischaracterized his comments - and that suspicion on my part turned out to be correct (based on the clip you provided)

He was asked by Catsimatidis whether people (in the US) should be scared and Fauci replied that they shouldn't be worried or frightened (by a virus which was largely, at that point, over in China) ... and in the next breath states that public health officials need to take it very, very seriously.

So it's pretty clear he has serious concerns.

Seems like a responsible statement on the part of a public health official to me ... which was probably based on the limited information that was known at that time.
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You forgot the part in there where he said it’s a very, very low risk to the U.S.
Newsflash: It was already in the U.S., at least many weeks already, prior to his interview.
 
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The vaccines arrived at least several months earlier than critics said.
Trump didn’t have the vaccines for most of the of the remaining of his Presidency, Biden did. He also had the monoclonals that were for month’s underutilized due to a irresponsible tunnel vision with vaccines.
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Additional info. The much less deadlier omnicron variant has been around for a few months now ( during Biden’s presidency) and has taken the place of the much more deadlier Delta, which is about non existent now.
 
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You forgot the part in there where he said it’s a very, very low risk to the U.S.
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No, I didn't.

The statement was correct ... at that time.

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Newsflash: It was already in the U.S., at least many weeks already, prior to his interview.
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LOL ... NO ...wrong again.

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Dr. Fauci's interview with Catsimatidis was on 1-26-20.

The first case presented on 1-19-20, after returning from China on 1-15-20 and was initially diagnosed as a potential COVID-19 case.

On 1-20-20, that diagnosis was confirmed to be COVID-19 via testing.

So basically that case was - at most - 11 days prior.

11 days is not "many weeks".

On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider.
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Brief Report: First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States
 
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No, I didn't.

The statement was correct ... at that time.



LOL ... NO ...wrong again.

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Dr. Fauci's interview with Catsimatidis was on 1-26-20.

The first case presented on 1-19-20, after returning from China on 1-15-20 and was initially diagnosed as a potential COVID-19 case.

On 1-20-20, that diagnosis was confirmed to be COVID-19 via testing.

So basically that case was - at most - 11 days prior.

11 days is not "many weeks".



Brief Report: First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States
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No, it was here earlier than that.
www.npr.org

Coronavirus Was In U.S. Weeks Earlier Than Previously Known, Study Says

The discovery, uncovered after analyzing blood donations from nine states, strengthens evidence that the coronavirus was quietly spreading around the world before health officials were aware.
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No, it was here earlier than that.
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Was hoping you'd go there.

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The headline on that article is actually incorrect as a definitive statement, based on the evidence presented in the article itself.

You have to learn to read past the headlines and actually read the article itself:

"SARS-CoV-2 infections may have been present in the U.S. in December 2019, earlier than previously recognized," the authors said.
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The words in bold are key.

Contrast the NPR article headline with this one:

First US COVID cases may date back to mid-December 2019

Or even the study that both the NPR article and CIDRAP article reference:

Serologic Testing of US Blood Donations to Identify Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)–Reactive Antibodies: December 2019–January 2020

They tested blood samples and found antibodies.

Let me know if an explanation of the difference between a virus and antibodies to a virus is needed.

So the NPR headline itself is actually speculative.

It may be correct ... but it isn't certain.

And we may never know one way or another.
 
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Edit: Moved this one to the other thread, since it seems more appropriate there.
 
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Regarding the travel ban:
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nypost.com

Trump aide Peter Navarro exposes the dangerous Dr. Fauci: Devine

Anthony Fauci is in for a shellacking Tuesday when a bombshell new book “In Trump Time, A Journal of America’s Plague Year” by former Trump economic adviser Peter Navarro lands.
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Speaking of travel, let's travel back in time to the early 1980's when a Dr. Anthony Fauci was in charge of managing the outbreak of AIDS and the disaster that his recommended AZT treatment turned out to be. In spite of his record of failure, Fauci remained an obscure bureaucrat until Covid-19 appeared from China and was touted as the world's foremost medical expert in everything viral. In retrospect, Trump should have fired him on day one.

"During the HIV crisis in the early 1980s, Dr. Fauci created a similar panic regarding transmission. Fauci speculated that the virus could spread through regular household contact based on detecting the infection in an infant. The media immediately seized on this assertion and created panic and a stigma for those infected."

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Why Was Dr. Fauci Put in Charge of the COVID-19 Pandemic After His Disastrous HIV Epidemic Performance?

Obviously, I am a Dr. Fauci skeptic. I often agree with his nemesis, Sen. Rand Paul. Fauci recently
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I see Biden had a couple diplomats go over to Saudi Arabia with hat in hand and asked them to increase oil production. They told them to pound sand. #Bidensenergypolicy
 
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I see Biden had a couple diplomats go over to Saudi Arabia with hat in hand and asked them to increase oil production. They told them to pound sand. #Bidensenergypolicy
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Why would they increase production, when Covid hit and the price dropped they didnt slow down so they could flood the market with cheap oil so that some of the smaller American oil companies would go out of business, which is exactly what happened. Their plan worked, oil is up and they are turning a heck of a profit, why would they do something that would hurt themselves???
 
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