On a positive note

Bob and Hooligan

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Tomorrow is the big day. Soon, we will have either a black man or a veteran in the White House
Can someone give me some reasons why you will be voting for your candidate? Please only positive reasons for your vote. What does he stand for that you like?

I look forward to your response

Road Hooligan
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
The best reason I can give is to keep our Country from becoming another Socialist Country.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I voted for McCain because in spite of serious shortcomings he has plans that are not socialist in nature and stand at least a somewhat greater chance of succeeding without destroying the Constitution and one segment of society to do so.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I mailed my absentee ballot last week. As a small business person, a property owner and a believer in capitalism and free enterprise I filled in the oval in front of McCain/Palin.

This country has been headed down the road to socialism/Marxism since the 1930's. We picked up some speed in the 1960's and there is no turning back. While I don't believe that McCain or anybody else for that matter can reverse the course we are on, I find him to be the lesser of two evils.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I voted a couple of weeks ago. It took the better part of a 5th of Jim Beam Black to get me through the ordeal. I did vote McCain/Palin. Why? They were the only ticket that had ANY experience of any kind based on the President's job as outlined in the Constitution. They are SLIGHLY less socialist than the other ticket. There was less evidence of criminal backround on the McCain/Palin ticket as well. I mainly voted to retain the right to complain. The only real positive thing I see coming out of this election is the end to the barage of really sickening political adds. There is a possiblity of starting a new business if Obama is elected. I will exploring that idea if the worst happens. I will have to do something since I truley believe that the economy will do a "Carter" if Obama is elected. I see a 15-16 YEAR recovery with massive inflation. I am looking to start something that would by-pass some of those problems. Good luck to us all, we are going to need it.
Layoutshoter
 

drivingmecrazy

Seasoned Expediter
I voted for Obama/Biden. My reasons are because I believe in his policies. I could not vote for a republican after this administration. They outed a CIA opperative, torture, economy down the tubes, and SO out of touch with the average family.
I like the health care plan, tax plan, education plan... and all and all I believe America is good, and we can do better.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I voted absentee, as well. The reason I voted for my candidate is because I feel he has the most realistic view of the country and its problems, and understands the consequences of any actions to correct those problems, and that there are no quick fixes to correct decades of problems.

For example, my candidate understands that 30% of the American people don't pay any federal income taxes currently (according to IRS records), either because their income is so low that they don't have to pay anything, or because they have enough deductions to reduce their liability to zero, leaving the remaining 70 percent of Americans to shoulder the majority of the federal budgetary burden for all Americans.

My candidate knows that it's both a logical and mathematical impossibility to give 95% of Americans a tax cut when only 70% of them actually pay taxes, unless you actually start paying those non-tax payers money out of the federal budget, and then label that gift as their portion of the tax cut.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Below is the reason I voted the way I did, it is the job description of the President. Funny but I heard almost NOTHING from Obama about his qualifications based on what his job will be. NOT ONE WORD!

Article. II. - The Executive Branch
Section 1 - The President

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


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I see nothing about the economy, health care or much of anything that He ran on. I guess I don't understand. Layoutshooter
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
"I see nothing about the economy, health care or much of anything that He ran on. I guess I don't understand."

You don't see anything in there about having to have any executive experience, either. :)

The Constitution, contrary to popular belief, isn't a job description, it's a job definition. Rather than try and describe the scope of all of the duties that the president must perform, it is rather the statement of powers and qualifications, and the methods of his election and removal.

The powers granted the president are broad in nature and fall under the "executive" label, as it says right up front that the, "executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." The Constitution gives the president power, but qualifies the power 'type' as being executive power. The constitution grants the president the Power of the executive, which means, quite simply, that he has the executive management authority to give and enforce orders, and ensure they are carried out, same as any executive anywhere.

While such a statement is broad, some of his duties are quite specific within the Constitution in that he is the commander in chief, and must report periodically on the state of the union, and therefor is responsible for both the military and the state of the union, as well as appointing ambassadors and cabinet members.

Anything that affects the state of the union, unless so specifically appointed to others or expressly limited to the executive branch by the Constitution, fall under the executive power. The economy, health care, lots of issues have a direct bearing on the state of the union, and thus are his responsibility. But his power is limited. Some of those issues he can address directly, others he must work with the other two branches of government, primarily the legislative branch, as well as the states, in order to address them. (In all cases whatever gets done by the Executive and Legislative branches should be by the will of the people, but that's something that everyone inside the Beltway seems to have forgotten.)

People love to point to the Oath of Office as the job description as a way of arguing that the president should be doing this or that, or shouldn't be doing something else, stating that his only job is to preserve and protect the Constitution. And they often do so without bothering to figure out exactly what that means. It's ironic that the Oath of Office actually does a very good job at giving us his job description, since the purpose of the Constitution is for the Defense of our Nation and for the Welfare of the People.

So with the powers granted to the president by the Constitution, and the president taking an Oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America, his job description, quite literally, is to executively manage the defense and security of the nation, and the health and well-being of the people.

So when people say the Constitution doesn't say anything about managing the economy or health care or this or that, well, actually, yeah, it does.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You are correct but that is what I vote on, nothing else. If the turkey running is NOT qualified to handle the REQUIRED duties that turkey should NOT be in office. That is just ONE of the reasons we have had such turkeys in office of late. You cannot be qualified WITHOUT experience. At least not in my world. Layoutshooter
 
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