On a gloomy day with GM's woes, a bit of hope as stocks surge.

DougTravels

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Since it is from CNN, I am sure some will bash this somewhat hopeful article. It seems the sky is still up there.

Stocks start June with a bang
Wall Street rallies on upbeat economic news. Unfazed by GM's bankruptcy, the Dow nearly erases 2009 losses.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks rallied Monday, sending the Dow Jones industrial average near the breakeven point for the year, as better-than-expected readings on manufacturing activity raised hopes that a global economic recovery is brewing.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) surged 221 points, or 2.6%, to close at 8,721.44 points. The bluechip average is within 55 points of breaking even for the year.

The broader S&P 500 (SPX) rose 24 points, or 2.6%, to about 943 points - its highest level of the year. The Nasdaq composite (COMP) jumped 54 points, or 3%.

The rally was broad based, with industrial and technology stocks leading the pack. Boeing (BA, Fortune 500) rose 6.5% and United Technologies Corp. (UTC) gained 5.3%. Shares of energy producers Exxon Mobil (XOM, Fortune 500) and Chevron (CVX, Fortune 500) rose as oil topped $68 a barrel.

As stocks advanced, demand for safe-haven assets evaporated. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note rose to 3.7% as its price fell sharply.

Stocks opened higher as investors looked past an official declaration of bankruptcy by General Motors, which had been widely expected. The rally gained steam after an industry report showed U.S. manufacturing activity shrank at a slower pace last month.

"Today's data were better than expected, both here and abroad," said Phil Orlando, chief equity market strategist at Federated Investors. The recession has "reached its nadir" and the improved economic outlook has helped "draw some cash off the sidelines," he said.

Wall Street rallied Friday, with the major indexes ending May in positive territory. That marked the third consecutive month that stocks have risen, though May's gains were smaller than those posted in the previous two months.

Looking ahead, automakers report monthly sales figures Tuesday. And investors are already bracing for the government's closely-watched jobs report due Friday.

Economy: The manufacturing sector contracted in May, but the pace of deterioration was slower than expected, according to an industry report.

The Institute for Supply Management said its index of national factory activity rose to 42.8 from 40.1 in April. Economists had expected the index to increase to 42, according to a survey by Briefing.com.

A reading below 50 in the index indicates the manufacturing sector is contracting. But May's gain puts the index over the tipping point that suggests expansion in the overall economy. A reading above 41.2%, over a period of time, is generally consistent with growth in gross domestic product.

Meanwhile, two separate reports showed manufacturing activity in China expanded last month. A measure of India's manufacturing sector rose to its highest level in eight months.

European manufacturing activity shrank at a slower pace in May, with a euro zone purchasing managers index marking its biggest monthly jump on record.

In the United States, construction spending unexpectedly rose 0.8% in April, its biggest increase in eight months, the Commerce Department reported. Analysts had forecast spending to fall 0.8%.

Separately, personal income rose 0.5% in April, the biggest increase in 11 months, the government reported Monday. But consumer spending dropped 0.1%.

Dow changes: Two Dow components, General Motors and Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), will be officially removed from the average June 8, Dow Jones announced Monday. Travelers Companies (TRV, Fortune 500) will take the place of Citi; Cisco Systems (CSCO, Fortune 500) will fill GM's slot on the Dow.

"I think getting some of the dogs out of the Dow is helping [to] feed the psychology," said Nick Kalivas, vice president of financial research at MF Global. But Monday's manufacturing reports were the main driver of the rally, he added.

Autos: GM (GM, Fortune 500) filed for bankruptcy protection Monday in a move aimed at helping the once-mighty automaker emerge with only its more profitable plants, brands, dealerships and contracts.

GM's stock rose 18% earlier in the session. Analysts said the rally was related to short selling, a strategy that allows investors to sell stock they don't yet own and then buy it later when the price falls. On Monday investors were buying back shares to cover their short positions, driving up the price. Shares closed 8% higher.

GM stock will begin trading on the "Pink Sheets" on Tuesday morning, said Cromwell Coulson, CEO of Pink OTC Markets Inc. Pink sheets allow for trading in certain stocks that are not listed on an exchange or the Nasdaq.

GM's bankruptcy filing occurred just hours after a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge in New York approved Chrysler's sale of most of its assets to Italian carmaker Fiat.

Bonds: Treasury prices fell, with the yield on the benchmark 10-year note rising to 3.71% from 3.46% Friday. Bond prices and yields move in opposite directions.

Other markets: Asian stocks soared, with Japan's Nikkei adding 1.6%. European markets rallied, with shares gaining between 2% and 4%.

In currency trading, the dollar fell against the euro and the British pound. It rose against the Japanese yen.

NYMEX oil for July delivery rose by $2.27 a barrel to settle at $68.58.

COMEX gold for August delivery fell 30 cents to close at $980 an ounce
 

Poorboy

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Since it is from CNN, I am sure some will bash this somewhat hopeful article. It seems the sky is still up there.

Stocks start June with a bang
Wall Street rallies on upbeat economic news. Unfazed by GM's bankruptcy, the Dow nearly erases 2009 losses.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks rallied Monday, sending the Dow Jones industrial average near the breakeven point for the year, as better-than-expected readings on manufacturing activity raised hopes that a global economic recovery is brewing.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) surged 221 points, or 2.6%, to close at 8,721.44 points. The bluechip average is within 55 points of breaking even for the year.

The broader S&P 500 (SPX) rose 24 points, or 2.6%, to about 943 points - its highest level of the year. The Nasdaq composite (COMP) jumped 54 points, or 3%.

The rally was broad based, with industrial and technology stocks leading the pack. Boeing (BA, Fortune 500) rose 6.5% and United Technologies Corp. (UTC) gained 5.3%. Shares of energy producers Exxon Mobil (XOM, Fortune 500) and Chevron (CVX, Fortune 500) rose as oil topped $68 a barrel.

As stocks advanced, demand for safe-haven assets evaporated. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note rose to 3.7% as its price fell sharply.

Stocks opened higher as investors looked past an official declaration of bankruptcy by General Motors, which had been widely expected. The rally gained steam after an industry report showed U.S. manufacturing activity shrank at a slower pace last month.

"Today's data were better than expected, both here and abroad," said Phil Orlando, chief equity market strategist at Federated Investors. The recession has "reached its nadir" and the improved economic outlook has helped "draw some cash off the sidelines," he said.

Wall Street rallied Friday, with the major indexes ending May in positive territory. That marked the third consecutive month that stocks have risen, though May's gains were smaller than those posted in the previous two months.

Looking ahead, automakers report monthly sales figures Tuesday. And investors are already bracing for the government's closely-watched jobs report due Friday.

Economy: The manufacturing sector contracted in May, but the pace of deterioration was slower than expected, according to an industry report.

The Institute for Supply Management said its index of national factory activity rose to 42.8 from 40.1 in April. Economists had expected the index to increase to 42, according to a survey by Briefing.com.

A reading below 50 in the index indicates the manufacturing sector is contracting. But May's gain puts the index over the tipping point that suggests expansion in the overall economy. A reading above 41.2%, over a period of time, is generally consistent with growth in gross domestic product.

Meanwhile, two separate reports showed manufacturing activity in China expanded last month. A measure of India's manufacturing sector rose to its highest level in eight months.

European manufacturing activity shrank at a slower pace in May, with a euro zone purchasing managers index marking its biggest monthly jump on record.

In the United States, construction spending unexpectedly rose 0.8% in April, its biggest increase in eight months, the Commerce Department reported. Analysts had forecast spending to fall 0.8%.

Separately, personal income rose 0.5% in April, the biggest increase in 11 months, the government reported Monday. But consumer spending dropped 0.1%.

Dow changes: Two Dow components, General Motors and Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), will be officially removed from the average June 8, Dow Jones announced Monday. Travelers Companies (TRV, Fortune 500) will take the place of Citi; Cisco Systems (CSCO, Fortune 500) will fill GM's slot on the Dow.

"I think getting some of the dogs out of the Dow is helping [to] feed the psychology," said Nick Kalivas, vice president of financial research at MF Global. But Monday's manufacturing reports were the main driver of the rally, he added.

Autos: GM (GM, Fortune 500) filed for bankruptcy protection Monday in a move aimed at helping the once-mighty automaker emerge with only its more profitable plants, brands, dealerships and contracts.

GM's stock rose 18% earlier in the session. Analysts said the rally was related to short selling, a strategy that allows investors to sell stock they don't yet own and then buy it later when the price falls. On Monday investors were buying back shares to cover their short positions, driving up the price. Shares closed 8% higher.

GM stock will begin trading on the "Pink Sheets" on Tuesday morning, said Cromwell Coulson, CEO of Pink OTC Markets Inc. Pink sheets allow for trading in certain stocks that are not listed on an exchange or the Nasdaq.

GM's bankruptcy filing occurred just hours after a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge in New York approved Chrysler's sale of most of its assets to Italian carmaker Fiat.

Bonds: Treasury prices fell, with the yield on the benchmark 10-year note rising to 3.71% from 3.46% Friday. Bond prices and yields move in opposite directions.

Other markets: Asian stocks soared, with Japan's Nikkei adding 1.6%. European markets rallied, with shares gaining between 2% and 4%.

In currency trading, the dollar fell against the euro and the British pound. It rose against the Japanese yen.

NYMEX oil for July delivery rose by $2.27 a barrel to settle at $68.58.

COMEX gold for August delivery fell 30 cents to close at $980 an ounce

CNN Huh?? That's a Joke In Itself! Just goes to show you that Figures Don't Lie, But Liars Can Figure! LOFL :D
 

chefdennis

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Hmmm Gee, golly, often when a major player files BK, the stock markets surges. The thought is that they are ridding themselves of bad debt and they will comeback with a reorganization that will be profitable...the thought crosses all sectors of the market not just the company that took a dump...it not a new idea or even a new action..it is pretty normal...it is also right now part of whats being called a "suckers rally"....i wouldn't take too much of my investment info from cnn........but you might try barrys US tresury finacial advisors....they seem to understand spending other peoples money and not knowing where alot of it went.........:rolleyes:
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Since I'm sure Obama is the reason for this magnificent rally and we must give him all the credit does that mean we also give him credit for 6 of the 20 largest point drops in history that occurred after he was elected and the world knew his administration was coming in? Oh, and that would be 30% of the 20 largest drops in history not 0.00317%. You don't count all the other days since the DJIA was kept, only those days that actually go before the supreme count, 20 in this case and 6 of 20 is 30%.
 

tallcal101

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This just in from the Spanish National Maritime Association . No ships have fallen of the edge of the earth this week as they passed through the Straights of Magilan.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Corporate America is too greedy Capitalism is still alive and well..doesn't matter if Howdy Doody were president...they'll work around with him..with him, use him, anything to make their millions/billions....
 

greg334

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I don't get you all who think the stock market is a place to see hope or improvements - it has zero to do with a recovery because the stock market, all markets for that matter are run on emotion.

My point is this;

GM shares' fluctuations add to stock market's big bounce

Soon to be worthless, price hits $1.01 before closing at 75 cents

Brian O'Connor / The Detroit News

Wall Street shrugged off the long-anticipated General Motors Corp. bankruptcy Monday, with the Dow Jones average soaring more than 200 points -- thanks in part to a bizarre temporary gain on shares of the bankrupt automaker.



The Dow closed up 211 points, despite the fact that one of the country's industrial icons will shutter another 14 plants and eliminate 21,000 more jobs in the midst of the bleakest recession in three decades.



Both the S&P 500 index -- which includes GM -- and the tech-laden Nasdaq posted their best closings for 2009.


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Despite the fact that shares of GM soon will be worthless, the stock took a wild ride Monday, dropping from Friday's close of 75 cents to open at 51 cents, then trading as low as 27 cents and as high as $1.01 before closing back at 75 cents a share.



"I don't know why anybody would be trading it today unless they had to," said Frank Arvai, a financial adviser with Mutual Fund Management Co. of Troy. "That is really bizarre."



GM stock could continue bouncing along that way -- but not for long. The Dow Jones Co. will drop GM from its venerable 30 industrials list by June 8, when the century-old carmaker will end 83 years in the index, replaced by Cisco, a manufacturer of computer networking equipment.

See many of you may think this is a good thing but because the government (oh I mean our messiah) has decided to pull a KMart with all of this and shove a national debt of more than a 100 Billion DOLLARS onto our great great grandchildren, there is no good news from the stock market at all just a money grab before something else happens... Can't wait until we see others fall.....
 

Tennesseahawk

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I guess FDR was credited with the stock market going up a few points during the worst of the depression. Ppl who talk just to hear themselves know nothing about everything. In this case, the stock market.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Chrysler is coming out of the bankruptcy it was announced all plants will start up by the end of the month....
 

tallcal101

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Existing home sales up ( 6.5% in April) for the third straight month. Corporate profits may to be boosted by lower inventories thus spurring production.Possible turn around on unemployment figures by fourth quarter.
Looks pretty bad,but it can always get worse.Consumer convidence up,retail spending up, just more bad news.
 
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Poorboy

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Existing home sales up ( 6.5% in April) for the third straight month. Corporate profits may to be boosted by lower inventories thus spurring production.Possible turn around on unemployment figures by fourth quarter.
Looks pretty bad,but it can always get worse.Consumer convidence up,retail spending up, just more bad news.

IF what You say that Home Sales being Up Is True Then it Means Nothing, The Only Reason they would be up is that the Homes Being Bought are Mostly the One's That People LOST Due to These Shyster Mortgage Companies and Their Illegal Mortgages! I Still Haven't Heard Anything From the Messiah about going After Those Guys Criminally, Not that I would Expect it because He Doesn't Care about the Small Guy, and Only Cares about Greasing the Palms of His Minions as well as the Bankers and The Illegal Mortgage Scammers! And How Can Retail Spending be Up when Under His watch People are Still Losing their Jobs Everyday and Don't Have the Money to Spend?
I wish I could Remember when I Read that Since he took Office he has Been losing 22,000 Jobs a Day Nationwide! I Know it was In the Toledo Blade But Can't Remember on which date it was Printed in a Very Small Article. If anyone wants to read it then I Guess they will Have to Look it Up Themselves.:mad:
 

OntarioVanMan

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Poorboy..all I can say is they sold legal mortgages to some very stupid people....a lot of them...Just capitalism at its greedy best....

Heck now they can get these "consultants" to help fix their problem and they "kindly" add their fee unto the mortgage...:eek:
 

Poorboy

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Poorboy..all I can say is they sold legal mortgages to some very stupid people....a lot of them...Just capitalism at its greedy best....

Heck now they can get these "consultants" to help fix their problem and they "kindly" add their fee unto the mortgage...:eek:

There were "Some" Legal Mortgages being done, But There were Also A-Lot of Illegal One's Too for Example where they would charge the Home Owner(Or Buyer) for an Appraisal and Have it Over Appraised so they could Push the Loan Through and Not Say Anything to the Perspective Signer. And when Asked for a Copy of the Appraisal the Buyer was Told to Send a Request in Writing to the Company and they would send you a Copy which after doing so the Copy of the Appraisal would Never Come. And when The Closer comes to the House to Close the Mortgage and "Pretends" to be Sick by Faking he was Going to Hurl so the Buyer would feel sorry for him and Get Distracted and Sign the Mortgage Agreement just to get the Guy out of their House, Ameriquest was Good for Both of those Scenarios. That's what I was Referring to and am sorry if I Misled anyone that I was saying that ALL mortgages were Illegal. Still, The Messiah as well as The Attorney Generals from all 50 States haven't Charged Anyone Criminally for their Illegal Mortgage Practices.
 

OntarioVanMan

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There were "Some" Legal Mortgages being done, But There were Also A-Lot of Illegal One's Too for Example where they would charge the Home Owner(Or Buyer) for an Appraisal and Have it Over Appraised so they could Push the Loan Through and Not Say Anything to the Perspective Signer. And when Asked for a Copy of the Appraisal the Buyer was Told to Send a Request in Writing to the Company and they would send you a Copy which after doing so the Copy of the Appraisal would Never Come. And when The Closer comes to the House to Close the Mortgage and "Pretends" to be Sick by Faking he was Going to Hurl so the Buyer would feel sorry for him and Get Distracted and Sign the Mortgage Agreement just to get the Guy out of their House, Ameriquest was Good for Both of those Scenarios. That's what I was Referring to and am sorry if I Misled anyone that I was saying that ALL mortgages were Illegal. Still, The Messiah as well as The Attorney Generals from all 50 States haven't Charged Anyone Criminally for their Illegal Mortgage Practices.

Now that part sux...:mad:
 

davekc

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Until they figure a way to pay for the cost of Obama's massive spending programs, anything you see now is only temporary.
Should have listened to Romney last year year. He said then they should have cut the money off to GM and let them go bankrupt. Surprise! Look where we are at now, several billion dollars later. So do you blame Bush, or Obama?
 

chefdennis

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There is no doubt that bush started the auto bailouts...he should have never given them the 1st dollar and let them file for a normal BK....
 

DougTravels

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They often talk of the people who lost homes but that number is inflated. Here is why and I know of a few people in my neighborhood that did it.

I don't believe in it but dam I coulda done it too and saved thousands of dollars.It kills your credit but these I know of saved some 30-50 thousand dollars, I believe it is wrong and therefore never did it even though I could have made about 40k.

I bought my house for 35k in 1989, it peaked in value at about 110k, before the housing market crashed. After the market crashed the house across the street from me just sold about a year ago for $6,000. (not a very nice house slab with 2 bedrooms)

If I had done a max cash out refi I could have paid cash for another house even a better one then walked away from mine and left the morgage co holding the bag. Then go bankrupt and have no morgage at all. Just saying when they talk about people losing homes, these people are included. It is not right but I believe it is legal.
 
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