Oh My great Sprinter

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Well the ode turned 400,000 miles on my 05 yesterday...no bells and whistles, no flashing lights, did not self destruct!

I have not had the pleasure of using the built in tow hook YET...If I do I won't be all that disappointed....

Original belt tensioner and pulley system,
Drive train
EGR,
altenator,
turbo and injectors,
rear brakes...
Opps...I did have that turbo resonator do dad go out for 50.00 bucks no big deal...

160,000 had speed control on fan motor...50 bucks

around 200,00 had nagging glow plug problems but not a big issue.

250,000 turbo resonator, no biggee...50.00$

318,000 did the front brakes and shocks with lower ball joints with alignment....Wear parts

350,000 water pump...again wear part.

370,000 injector seal..in and out in an hour.


In the last 4 weeks I am averaging about 24.3 miles per gallon.

I've had 3 tranny and rear end services in its lifetime....

I've pretty much followed the book and some common sense. :)
 
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2czykats

Seasoned Expediter
I did not know till now that all the crap that happened to my 3 Sprinters is because I am a Dumba$$ and have zero common sense. That explains alot.

Obviously you have a non lemon and take care of stuff the right way. I would rather of paid 32,000.00 for OVM's Sprinter with 400,000 miles on it than any one of the peices of $%^#$ Sprinters I bought new.

Hope your Sprinter and your next continue to serve you well.
 

TJ959

Veteran Expediter
I have few complaints with mine. The maintenance and care have been kept up by the book but I do have a few issues. Parts and competent service are hard to come by and are more expensive than other vehicles. Stll it's cheaper and less likely to need repair than my last truck (Freightliner FL70). I'm convinced that Freightliner makes it a practice to hire the unqulaified and unfriendly, not to mention the dishonest. I have found several Dodge dealers that are honest and very helpful but I only found one Freightliner dealer that I would return to.

My Dodge Sprinter experience..... Mine is an 05, 324,000 miles
Turbo resonator twice, Front brakes once, MAF Once, Turbocharger (big Bucks), Belt tensioner plus towbill once, Water pump once, Minor oil leak once, Glow plug issues. The dealer recommended that I didn't change them because it may damage the head requireing a new head. $4000 plus if needed. I just ignore the light when it comes on and it still starts great.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Glow plugs are no big deal...especially if you live in warm climates....at -60 it is a bigger issue...thats why I have a blocker heater installed...my plugs came out slicker then crap...they usually have a problem when there is any kind of leakage from an injector seal or injector fuel leak...thats a big problem then...
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
While I can't claim the miles OVM has (congrats BTW), My only issues have been drive shaft hanger bearings (all under warranty). The driveshaft in my 08 will be replaced with a serviceable one once the warranty is gone and it acts up. I have learned from Turtle and Ken, follow the book, it will lead to happiness.

FWIW, I have found Dan at Stoops Freightliner in Indy to be a real big help when ordering parts, he seems to have mastered the feeble parts book that got published for these things.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
While I can't claim the miles OVM has (congrats BTW), My only issues have been drive shaft hanger bearings (all under warranty). The driveshaft in my 08 will be replaced with a serviceable one once the warranty is gone and it acts up. I have learned from Turtle and Ken, follow the book, it will lead to happiness.

FWIW, I have found Dan at Stoops Freightliner in Indy to be a real big help when ordering parts, he seems to have mastered the feeble parts book that got published for these things.

Hanger bearings? is that a new term for universal joints? or 2 different creatures?
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Hanger bearings, carrier bearings, center bearings, guess it depends on where you're from. The bearing that holds sections of the driveshaft to the vehicle, you might have 1 or 2, small vehicles can have none. Usually mounted near the slip yoke.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
OVM,

Congrats on logging that relatively trouble-free 400K miles - well done ! May your next 400K be equally as trouble-free.

You are a little short on the transmission fluid changes (the recommendation was revised to every 60K miles) - but as your experience shows it possible to go longer with no adverse effects. When I sent my ATF to Blackstone to have it analyzed at my first service (62K) their analysis said that it could have been run longer (this of course may vary from vehicle to vehicle, based on conditions) To some extent, this may show why M-B was inclined initially to recommend that the transmission be serviced only once at 80K miles ....

Particularly impressive on the belt tensioner ... have you replaced the other idler pulleys ?

All the rest of the stuff is surely normal maintenance, other than the turbo resonators - curious as to why you never replaced that with the turbo resonator eliminator, as it would have allowed you to avoid any limp-home mode episodes and replacements in the future ......

Myself, I have done normal routine maintenance (fluids/filters), the vehicle is currently at 187K miles, and other than the normal maintenance, the only other problems I have had are:

1. air intake temperature sensor replaced at 1.5K miles (warranty),

2. rack and pinion replaced at 4.5K miles due to an internal leak (my fault for hitting a curb with the wheels at full lock, but replaced under warranty),

3. lumber support in seat (my fault again, for squeezing the bulb too hard (warranty),

4. replaced serpentine belt at 123K miles, (cracked, but still functional)

5. replaced both idler pulleys at 175K miles (bearing dry on both, noisy on the one)

6. front brakes and passenger side front wheel bearings at 175K (probably could have avoided the bearings - they weren't really all that bad and really could have still gone longer, but I didn't want to chance a failure on the road - had I pulled the wheels and repacked the bearings at 100K miles, and adjusted the bearing end play to spec),

7. One glow plug failed (shorted to ground) at around 165K miles.

8. Glow module/relay .... unfortunately this component is of a questionable/poor design: when a glow plug fails it can fail one of two ways - either A. shorted open or, B. shorted to ground. When it's B, then the individual circuit in the module (there are 5, one for each glow plug) is also destroyed and it will cause the check engine light to come on intermittently. This flaw in the design argues for periodic replacement of the glow plugs particularly when one glow plug has failed ..... to avoid also ruining the module multiple times. (glow plugs - $20 each, module - $90 to $120)

9. Apparent failure of the connector plate (which houses the speed sensors) on the valvebody in the transmission .... this may not have actually been a failure - but merely a ferrous metal contamination issue: the internal speed sensors in the transmission are very strong magnets, and are prone to attracting the minute ferrous metal debris that is worn off various components. When they become covered in ferrous metal debris, they are prone to causing all manner of erratic behavior (becoming stuck in a particular gear, etc.), will cause the vehicle throw DTC's and may put the vehicle in permanent limp-home mode.

In my particular case, the vehicle became stuck in gear a number of times over several months (resolvable by cycling the vehicle off and then back on), but eventually became stuck in permanent limp-home mode (while I was on a load :rolleyes:), and that required a trip to the dealer and resetting with the DRB-III scan tool. The actual error codes had to do with an implausible value (>8000 rpm) for the input shaft speed that one specific speed sensor (the N3) was reporting.

It's possible that I could have resolved the problem by cleaning the ferrous metal debris that I found off the speed sensors - but I was unwilling to take the chance that there might actually be something wrong other than that with the assembly, and the part was only $180 so I went ahead and replaced it.

It's also possible that had I gone to a dealer who was ill-informed, untrained, or unscrupulous, that the recommendation would have been to replace the entire transmission for mucho bucks.

TJ, the key to glow plug removal is using great care (controlled, but not excessive force - I used a 1/4 drive breaker bar - which is about 5" long - not much leverage there) and (this part is critical) having the engine hot - I used a blanket over the radiator/grill and high-idled the vehicle (which was already at operating temperature) for about 10 minutes @ 2000 rpm, which elevated the coolant temp. This is something that is best done on a hot summer day for obvious reasons.

Work fast (the head is aluminum and will cool rapidly), removing and replacing one glow plug at a time - so that you can restart the vehicle and warm it back up to do the next one.
 
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cruzer

Not a Member
I'm sure it's none of my business, and I know nothing about Sprinter vans but I have restored several old rides in my time and delt with high performance aluminum heads. You NEVER remove or replace any thing while they are hot or operateing temprature because it can remove the threads.
 

aileron

Expert Expediter
I'm sure it's none of my business, and I know nothing about Sprinter vans but I have restored several old rides in my time and delt with high performance aluminum heads. You NEVER remove or replace any thing while they are hot or operateing temprature because it can remove the threads.

I don't know about other 'heads', if you try to remove a glow plug on a sprinter engine when it is cold, you will break the glow plug and then you need to buy another head.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
I'm sure it's none of my business, and I know nothing about Sprinter vans but I have restored several old rides in my time and delt with high performance aluminum heads. You NEVER remove or replace any thing while they are hot or operateing temprature because it can remove the threads.
Dunno what your actual experience is, where the reference for what you are saying comes from, but the reality of it is, what I have reported does actually work from a practical sense - heat is often used to break loose and remove seized parts.

Think about it, aluminum will expand more than steel for same amount of heat - the heads are aluminum, the glow plugs are steel:

"The coefficient of linear thermal expansion is the ratio of the change in length per degree F (imperial) to the length."

Material .......... Thermal Expansion (microinch/(in °F))

Aluminum ................... 13.1

Cast Iron, gray ............. 5.8

Iron, pure .................... 6.8

Wrought Carbon Steel .... 7.8


(Ref: The Engineering Toolbox)

One also might consider this quote from another forum from Andy Bittenbinder (who actually rebuilds Sprinter engines):

"When rebuilding Sprinter cylinder heads I only attempt removal of the old glow plugs after the head has gone through an industrial 'cooker cleaner'. The cylinder head reaches a higher temp than normal engine operating temp and the glow plugs come out like butter. Doktor A"

The "cooker cleaner" that Andy is referring to is a type of oven which heats engine components to a high temp in order to clean them. Once "cooked" the components are then moved to another device which blasts them (using steel shot) to remove the now cooked engine sludge (.... I personally spec'd and installed one of these when we upgraded the machine shop)

Did you actually strip out some threads yourself in aluminum heads when they were hot ?

Or was this something someone else just said "shouldn't be done" ?
 
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aileron

Expert Expediter
OVM,

Congrats on the achievement.
I consider mine to be a great vehicle also. 275k so far, no major problems.
I had the turbo resonator replaced under warranty a while ago, an EGR valve at around 180k, water pump recently. Brakes are still original, still some life in them, but I will replace them anyway when I hit 300k. I change the transmission fluid and rear end every 60k, so other than an increase in RSN for the last 50k or so all is good. Hope to get at least 600k out of it, if I still expedite that long.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I'm sure it's none of my business, and I know nothing about Sprinter vans but I have restored several old rides in my time and delt with high performance aluminum heads. You NEVER remove or replace any thing while they are hot or operateing temprature because it can remove the threads.

Huh?

I too did a lot of restoration work and worked with aluminum heads and engines (from Ardun V8 fords to ZL1 to a Marmon V16), I never heard that one. There are a few times I would work on them cold, but if it is removing plugs or bolts, hotter the better. Aluminum expands greater then steel.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Thanks guys....one thing I have learned in this biz....don't get behind on the pm no matter how slow it gets...you'll pay a bitter price....

Rlent...nope never replaced any pulleys...and it was only one resonator and it blew on the way to the dealer for a tranny service...what timing!! No time to order the replacement version...like in Rapid City? *LOL*

Hey I know I owe it a couple tranny services was sloppy at the beginning but the last couple were done at 90-100,000 mile intervals...the pan is clean nothing out of the ordinary on the magnet, no burnt smell, good colour quality....Since I don't overload...It seems to be the range for the way I drive....
NOTE: This may not work for everyone because we all drive differently....
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I'm working on the theory that the sprinter makes an excellent owner-operator/single driver vehicle (including a team that is dedicated to the vehicle). It's all about TLC and non-fleet style driving. Fleet vehicles need to be built like tanks. The sprinter is more like a fine instrument.

eb
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Ken,

Have them check those idler pulleys next time you have the serpentine belt serviced - one of mine was dry as bone and made alot of noise when I spun it after I took it off.

Both spun easily - meaning you could give it a spin with your hand and it would keep spinning .... and spinning .... and spinning .... for like 30 to 45 seconds (new ones don't do this - because the bearings are full of grease) The other one didn't make much noise ..... until I held it up to my ear - and then I could hear it was dry (un-lubricated metal to metal contact) The pulleys are only like $20 apiece.

It was unbelievable how much quieter the engine got after I replaced them.

eb,

I think you are largely correct in your assessment.

Greg,

Ardun V8's and Marmon V16's eh .... ? ..... gotta love it it ..... :D
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ken,

Have them check those idler pulleys next time you have the serpentine belt serviced - one of mine was dry as bone and made alot of noise when I spun it after I took it off.

Both spun easily - meaning you could give it a spin with your hand and it would keep spinning .... and spinning .... and spinning .... for like 30 to 45 seconds (new ones don't do this - because the bearings are full of grease) The other one didn't make much noise ..... until I held it up to my ear - and then I could hear it was dry (un-lubricated metal to metal contact) The pulleys are only like $20 apiece.

It was unbelievable how much quieter the engine got after I replaced them.

eb,

I think you are largely correct in your assessment.

Greg,

Ardun V8's and Marmon V16's eh .... ? ..... gotta love it it ..... :D

Very good will do....thinking of just changing the tensioner just because while they are in there....prolly be July for that service.......doing back brakes very next service...
 
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