Watching the news today, we hear Obama finds the Tea Party activists to be "amusing." Meanwhile, Bill Clinton is drawing parallels between Tea Party angst and that of Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh, as we all remember, was prosecuted for his role in bombing the Federal building in OKC. Does such derision help or hurt the Democrats?
Obama/Clinton mock Tea Party movement
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The koolaid sipping giddy schoolgirls are mostly not intelligent enough for it to matter the way it should. It may hurt them a little with a very small percentage but most are too giddy with the thrill running down their legs to make any rational adult decisions. It shows the lack of class of those making the statements though.
The more they mock the more validity it gives the "Tea Party". If they had brains they would just ignore them. Keep at it Barry!! You too "Beastie"!! You look and sound as dumb as the rest of them do!! 
Exactly. Obama says they're "amusing", which means he doesn't find them the least bit amusing. What he's doing is exactly the same thing that some people in Web forums do when they can't address the issues, he's going after them personally as a group, because he's got no shot with the issues. If you can discredit the individual or the group, then you can associate the same discredit with what all they are talking about.
chefdennis
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They are "ascared" (ok afraid) of them. They realize that even while the numbers of people that are showing up to these Tea party rallys is growing each time they happen, there are still people sitting at home that are just as upset and eith can't afford to travel and gather (they are unemployed) or they are just not politically active, but vote......if this continues, and i don't see it not, nov isn't going to be pretty for the dems...the key is to vet those that run and to make sure that they are Real Conservatives and not just Rino's.......that will be a bit tougher...look at the Scott Brown election, he wa supported by the Tea Partys, and he is not as he seemed to be.....but then again, he is from Mass................
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You know that they are scared with some of the talk of sabotaging the "tea parties" and so on.
I think most who are poo pooing these up start movements don't or can't understand what's really going on here. Only if these tea party people read the same things that the SEIU and ACORN people read and use the methods in their movement, they may just be out numbered and out organized.
I think most who are poo pooing these up start movements don't or can't understand what's really going on here. Only if these tea party people read the same things that the SEIU and ACORN people read and use the methods in their movement, they may just be out numbered and out organized.
They are out organized, at least for now. Normal people were too busy out working and supporting the bums and the entitlement crowd and too busy to organize. That is changing. Let us hope that is changes quickly. People need to wake up. When the few support the many everything fails. We are heading in that direction and fast. Time to turn it around. While we can that is.
greg334
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I don't buy "too busy" thing for a lot of reasons.
I actually believe in today's world, there isn't an excuse that can be made for being busy when it is the future we are worried about. If we continue to make excuses with our 5day/40hour work week, then we are doomed.
Imagine what it was like 100 years ago when people actually worked for a living and had little time - they still found time to put efforts into scaring the congress and president. Now our representitives are not afraid of us, but arrogant about their lofty position over us.
A passion for the country should be the driving factor, not taking the kids to sports events, getting together with the boys for a night bowling or what ever is used to pass the time.
These are hard times, not because we are having a hard time but because many in our country just don't get it and mask things. They want to complain, they want to be part of history but they don't really fight or willing to actually give a thing up to either force the changes for the better or fight to keep things as they were for a better country.
Attending some rally is a start, but really unless they take that message to someone else at the expense of offending someone or losing freinds, then they are not doing anything except fulfillig some selfsatifaction.
I actually believe in today's world, there isn't an excuse that can be made for being busy when it is the future we are worried about. If we continue to make excuses with our 5day/40hour work week, then we are doomed.
Imagine what it was like 100 years ago when people actually worked for a living and had little time - they still found time to put efforts into scaring the congress and president. Now our representitives are not afraid of us, but arrogant about their lofty position over us.
A passion for the country should be the driving factor, not taking the kids to sports events, getting together with the boys for a night bowling or what ever is used to pass the time.
These are hard times, not because we are having a hard time but because many in our country just don't get it and mask things. They want to complain, they want to be part of history but they don't really fight or willing to actually give a thing up to either force the changes for the better or fight to keep things as they were for a better country.
Attending some rally is a start, but really unless they take that message to someone else at the expense of offending someone or losing freinds, then they are not doing anything except fulfillig some selfsatifaction.
I guess, I don't know. When I was younger I worked 6 days a week, then two off. Rotating shifts. I was a volunteer fighter fighter and EMT. Volunteer 4H instructor and did my normal hunting and fishing. If I was allowed to be politically active I would not have had the time. I suspect that there are many like that out there. Normal people have lives, kids, jobs, responsibilites. They should pay more attention to be sure.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
The worst thing that could possibly happen to the Tea Party movement is not that Obama and those on the extreme left would deride them and attempt to marginalize them (successfully) - although that's certainly bad enough ..... it's the fact that the entire movement could be subverted by ostensibly by the fringe neo-con right and the "establishment" Republican party itself .... possibly as expressed by the sentiments below (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here chef ):
Most folks (including many here I'm sure) don't even realize what the actual origins of the modern day Tea Party movement were - they came out of political activity that resulted as a consequence of Ron Paul's candidacy for President:
Ron Paul raises millions in today's Boston Tea Party event
Paul supporters hold Tea Party re-enactment in Boston
Ron Paul's tea party for dollars
Statement on Ron Paul and “Tax Day Tea Parties”
It was a broad-based, libertarian, populist, movement that was comprised of folks, nominally from both sides of the political spectrum, which generally are not at the ideological extremes - as a consequence, it represents the views of the vast majority of the American people.
Some, seeing the broad appeal, did not fail to take notice ..... and decided they wanted a piece of the action:
Video: Sarah Palin on "The Tea Party Takover"
Of course, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery .... unless those imitating you are seeking to subvert and destroy what you are doing.
There is alot of evidence that such subversion is actually already occurring (Texas Governor Rick Perry, Sean Hannity, Ron Paul being politically targeted by the Republican Party, etc), and if this is allowed to occur, it will absolutely be the death of the movement - because, being untrue to the original ideals, it will no longer hold the broad-based appeal that the movement originally had, and which made it so dynamic and vital .
It is really no surprise that both the Democratic or Republican parties would seek to co-opt the movement - since it is a threat to their power. One (Democratic Party) seeks to co-opt it by attacking what the movement stands for directly and attempting to redefine and cast it as something it is not (ie. fringe, loonies, hate-mongers, etc.) .... and the other (Republican Party) seeks to co-opt it by infiltrating the movement and perverting the original agenda into a bunch of crap that has nothing to with the original movement, but that closely mirrors their own agenda.
Whether the movement remains (with altered goals and purposes) as a de facto organ of the Republican Party ..... or just simply goes by the wayside and disintegrates as a consequence of no longer having the broad appeal that it originally had, the Republican Party would win - and so would the Democratic Party - because it would serve to preserve their power.
One should never assume that simply because something is named or called ______, that it is, in actual fact, ______
):Most folks (including many here I'm sure) don't even realize what the actual origins of the modern day Tea Party movement were - they came out of political activity that resulted as a consequence of Ron Paul's candidacy for President:
Ron Paul raises millions in today's Boston Tea Party event
Paul supporters hold Tea Party re-enactment in Boston
Ron Paul's tea party for dollars
Statement on Ron Paul and “Tax Day Tea Parties”
It was a broad-based, libertarian, populist, movement that was comprised of folks, nominally from both sides of the political spectrum, which generally are not at the ideological extremes - as a consequence, it represents the views of the vast majority of the American people.
Some, seeing the broad appeal, did not fail to take notice ..... and decided they wanted a piece of the action:
Video: Sarah Palin on "The Tea Party Takover"
Of course, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery .... unless those imitating you are seeking to subvert and destroy what you are doing.
There is alot of evidence that such subversion is actually already occurring (Texas Governor Rick Perry, Sean Hannity, Ron Paul being politically targeted by the Republican Party, etc), and if this is allowed to occur, it will absolutely be the death of the movement - because, being untrue to the original ideals, it will no longer hold the broad-based appeal that the movement originally had, and which made it so dynamic and vital .
It is really no surprise that both the Democratic or Republican parties would seek to co-opt the movement - since it is a threat to their power. One (Democratic Party) seeks to co-opt it by attacking what the movement stands for directly and attempting to redefine and cast it as something it is not (ie. fringe, loonies, hate-mongers, etc.) .... and the other (Republican Party) seeks to co-opt it by infiltrating the movement and perverting the original agenda into a bunch of crap that has nothing to with the original movement, but that closely mirrors their own agenda.
Whether the movement remains (with altered goals and purposes) as a de facto organ of the Republican Party ..... or just simply goes by the wayside and disintegrates as a consequence of no longer having the broad appeal that it originally had, the Republican Party would win - and so would the Democratic Party - because it would serve to preserve their power.
One should never assume that simply because something is named or called ______, that it is, in actual fact, ______
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
aristole,
Excellent - I love it !!!! ...... now that is the kind of out-of-box thinking that this country needs more of ...
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Machiavelli meets Realpolitik !
aristole,
Excellent - I love it !!!! ...... now that is the kind of out-of-box thinking that this country needs more of ...
Machiavelli meets Realpolitik !
What the Tea Party needs is GOOD candidates and their own news outlet. You can bet your booty that most anyone they run will be lambasted by the "normal" Pravda bunch. They have no candidates yet, that I have seen. They keep troting out the same ole bunch of ReBumLiCan retreads. That is only based on what I have been able to follow from the truck.
I understand your point, Layout. But we don't have time for a new party to fall from the sky. The political turmoil simmering in our nation demands action now, before Obama and his henchmen do much greater harm. If the Tea Party movement could wrest power from the GOP, it gives them a big horse to ride. There is a sense of urgency to correct things now.
Don't worry about 2012 yet, that is not the main thing that needs attention. IF there is ANY chance of retaining our Constitution and our freedoms it has to be done at the local level. The State houses. Governors. In Washington it is the house and senate. If that is not accomplished, nothing will be. I have seen little to nothing about candidates in the area in which I live. Only the goobers running for president.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Layout, who isn't normal?
We all got lives and work, we all got commitments but without effort, just sitting back and making excuses means nothing.
My point is other people have given up a lot more for this country, not just time but in many cases their lives so like this tea party stuff, it won't succeed until people actually do more than be a sign holders and cheer with the crowd. If we are to expect any changes for the positive to actually happen, it will have to come from the dedicated people who put aside pleasures and in many cases family to fight for what they believe in.
It is like this industry, people are willing to depend on OOIDA while crying about how hard it is because of the regulations but don't want to get involved when they see something happen which cause the regulations to be created int he first place. Self-policing and involvement matter a lot.
I also have to ask this.
How willing are you to give to a PAC for something like a recall amendment?
Which PAC? What is their agenda? Who are they? Where are they located? Who do they want to recall?
I need just a tad more than that question.
I have, in the past, worked on friends election bids. Not as easy now that I am on the road. If I hit the lottery that will change, BIG TIME!!
Are you aware of a guy out of Dearborn that running for Dingell's seat? He is a muslim, he cannot stand Obama, he is a gun owner etc. I am trying to learn more, like his name to start.